Mistah Kiffin. From beyonnn da grave. I, Al Davis, implore you. To charge DAT tooda game.

In other news, Lane Kiffin is still a colossal butthole

The better question is why Lane didn't coach his players to have better situational awareness. You've got 9 seconds left in the game and 1 timeout; why is the QB throwing a short pass over the middle, and why isn't the WR trying to run all the way to the sideline?

As I said while watching the game, that 2nd and 7 after the holding was very suspect. By my recollect, holding is a 10 yard penalty. Unless I'm mistaken, it shouldn't have been under 2nd and 10 if holding was called downfield. Otherwise it should have been a first down, and then had the penalty applied. Once the runner passes the yardage markers and does anything besides run backwards, it's a first down. The holding seemed to come right about at the markers, so it could go either way. But it should have been 2nd and 10, or more, or 1st and long.

He was trying to get to the sideline, he just failed.

Better question is why you don't fall down and let them take the damn time out instantly instead of running horizontally for 8 seconds. Not like it should have mattered, the refs missed a huge holding call against USC that even put them in that position.

/also, Kiffin deserves it anyway, so I'm fine with the result.
//Karma... it can suck.

Hey, I wonder how Notre Dame felt when Reggie Bush illegally pushed Matt Lineart into the end zone in 2005 on the last play of the game? Go pac 12 refs, you suck almost as much as Lane Kiffin.

FTA: Of the holding call, Kiffin said he discussed the play with his "friend Knox" over breakfast on Sunday morning and found that Knox, his son, was able to find where the ball should have correctly been placed after the penalty.

"Just so you know, Knox is two years old," he said.

Later, Kiffin's wife demonstrated just how close father and son were by holding a Sweetie Pop over Lane's head just out of reach, to which the USC head coach reacted by stomping his feet, crying, and calling his wife a liar. She gave no remark, other than to sigh wistfully.

And Pesky, it was ruled that he went down in bounds, so the argument about how much time was on the clock when he went out is irrelevant (being that according to the officials and the timekeeper, he never went out). Not gonna argue about whether or not he was out or in, but given the call that he landed in bounds then time running out is pretty much the right call.

Also, here is the missed holding call from just seconds before. If Kiffin wants to spend the rest of this season whining about the refs missing a call, maybe he should start with the fact that his team cheated to even get into that position.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32-38FACERI

Sounds like Kiffin is trying to cover up his own dumb blunder.

Kiffin: hey ref, at the end of the play, call a timeout
Player: herp derp I'm down with 1 second left
Refs: THE CLOCK AUTOMATICALLY RUNS DOWN

No matter the idiocy of the player or a bad call by Kiffin or a missed holding call, he's got a point. and I farking hate USC and Kiffin

Cluckles: And Pesky, it was ruled that he went down in bounds, so the argument about how much time was on the clock when he went out is irrelevant (being that according to the officials and the timekeeper, he never went out). Not gonna argue about whether or not he was out or in, but given the call that he landed in bounds then time running out is pretty much the right call.

Also, here is the missed holding call from just seconds before. If Kiffin wants to spend the rest of this season whining about the refs missing a call, maybe he should start with the fact that his team cheated to even get into that position.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32-38FACERI

This. This this this this THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS.

Sargun: Kiffin: hey ref, at the end of the play, call a timeout
Player: herp derp I'm down with 1 second left
Refs: THE CLOCK AUTOMATICALLY RUNS DOWN

No matter the idiocy of the player or a bad call by Kiffin or a missed holding call, he's got a point. and I farking hate USC and Kiffin

It's Kiffin's job to call the TO. You can't tell the ref that you want a TO after a play. You can tell him that you are going to call one and to please be prepared for it but still your job, or your player's job, to call it

What these guys are saying ^^^. Even when you tell someone that you want a time out when the play is over, it doesn't automatically make it so. Someone still has to call timeout.

You can't call it while the ball is in play, and they damn sure aren't going to stop the game, add more time to the clock, and then let you cherry pick where you want time to stop. It isn't the refs job to do your job for you, nor should it be.

Lane can DIAF, but he is right this time.... for once.

PAC 12 refs are the worst in the nation, bar none.

Oregon/Oklahoma is still a nightmare... and I am NO Sooner fan.

greenbowlpacker: Hey, I wonder how Notre Dame felt when Reggie Bush illegally pushed Matt Lineart into the end zone in 2005 on the last play of the game? Go pac 12 refs, you suck almost as much as Lane Kiffin.

This, at least with the SEC, the refs are usually protecting the higher ranked team. In the Pac-12 they just screw up to prove they suck.

/SEC Homer

BTW Lane, even if there IS 1 second left when your idiotic receiver goes down, it takes a second to for the official to indicate the timeout and the clock operator to stop it. You should have told your stupid receiver to get down with enough time to CALL THE TIMEOUT!!

Pockafrusta: Lane can DIAF, but he is right this time.... for once.

PAC 12 refs are the worst in the nation, bar none.

Oregon/Oklahoma is still a nightmare... and I am NO Sooner fan

I don't know, the worst reffed game I've ever seen was a Michigan/Nebraska bowl game reffed by Sun Belt refs.

Cry moar, Lane.

CatfoodSpork: In other news, Lane Kiffin is still a colossal butthole

Aaaaaaaaaaand we're done here.

This is just a typical PAC12 botch job. They are just terrible at officiating. It definitely feels like the Trojans got screwed because there likely would have been no overtime without the questionable unnecessary roughness call, or the failure to get the timeout right, but screw it - there wasn't going to be any bowl game anyway. But this is a typical outing for a PAC12 crew. They just suck. There was also one REALLY obvious holding call against USC in one of the overtimes that they missed. I mean if you actually got down and analyzed how many crappy calls and missed calls there were, you would probably just stop watching football, so don't bother. Hopefully it all washes out in the end.

Ackbarican_Idol: The better question is why Lane didn't coach his players to have better situational awareness. You've got 9 seconds left in the game and 1 timeout; why is the QB throwing a short pass over the middle, and why isn't the WR trying to run all the way to the sideline?

Why the fark was he even trying to get to the sideline since they had a TO left?

/Lots of bad calls in that game
//Stanford alum

The guy with the ball has to be one of the stupidest MF'ers ever to touch a football. Refs deception or no Refs deception.

Pesky_Humans: I'm no fan of Lane, or the choice to throw that last pass, but there was clearly 0:01 left on the clock when the receiver went out of bounds. It was pretty clear in real time, and it was grossly obvious on replay.

The Trojans had several opportunities to stop the Tree during overtime and they didn't. Fair enough, but the call to end regulation was botched, plain and simple.

That would matter if his knee hadn't been down IN BOUNDS in which case, the clock is supposed to continue to run.

It was making my head explode watching his knee obviously touch down IN BOUNDS while Kirk and Brent kept concentrating on when he went OOB. It's like they share half a farking brain.

Cluckles: Not gonna argue about whether or not he was out or in, but given the call that he landed in bounds then time running out is pretty much the right call.

You don't have to argue about whether he was down in bounds because to anyone with working eyes, it was pretty farking clear that his knee was down in bounds.

spiderpaz: questionable unnecessary roughness call,

it was targeting a defenseless receiver high while leading with his helmet. Inexcusable at any time during the game.

spiderpaz: if you actually got down and analyzed how many crappy calls and missed calls there were

Pretty much. But my experience with college football refs is they are all awful. Many calls are completely missed, sometimes all game. SEC seems to have the most motivated to keeping the elite teams undefeated, and the PAC has some of the most inconsistent refs overall.

merkey88: Once the runner passes the yardage markers and does anything besides run backwards, it's a first down.

That is incorrect. Penalties negate first downs ALL THE TIME.

Pockafrusta: Lane can DIAF, but he is right this time.... for once.

PAC 12 refs are the worst in the nation, bar none.

Oregon/Oklahoma is still a nightmare... and I am NO Sooner fan.

Wasn't even the worst call of the season by then-Pac10 officials.

puffy999: merkey88: Once the runner passes the yardage markers and does anything besides run backwards, it's a first down.

That is incorrect. Penalties negate first downs ALL THE TIME.

so if a runner runs for 40 yards on 2nd and 10, with a hold 30 yards downfield, is it now 2nd and -10?

puffy999: Pockafrusta: Lane can DIAF, but he is right this time.... for once.

PAC 12 refs are the worst in the nation, bar none.

Oregon/Oklahoma is still a nightmare... and I am NO Sooner fan.

Wasn't even the worst call of the season by then-Pac10 officials.

here you go; thought there was going to be a riot that night.
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IAmRight: Should've gone for 2, IMO.

You ARE right.

I felt USC should have gone for 2 at the end of the first overtime. Boise State did this against Oklahoma in that one Fiesta Bowl and we all know how that ended. Their logic at the time was "welp, Adrian Peterson just ran for a TD on his first play in overtime, guess we're not going to stop him, better go for two and win it now."

I felt the same logic that Boise State applied to Peterson should have been applied to Andrew Luck in this game. Kinda surprised Kiffin didn't have the balls to do it. He has the balls to go for two in the first quarter for no reason at all with some wacky formation from his special teams coach, but when it matters apparently he doesn't have the same balls. Huh.

merkey88: puffy999: merkey88: Once the runner passes the yardage markers and does anything besides run backwards, it's a first down.

That is incorrect. Penalties negate first downs ALL THE TIME.

so if a runner runs for 40 yards on 2nd and 10, with a hold 30 yards downfield, is it now 2nd and -10?

Um, no. Holding downfield is a spot penalty. 10 yards from spot of foul. If beyond 1st down marker, first down awarded.

Dead ball penalties do not negate first downs. But they fark up field position.

merkey88: spiderpaz: questionable unnecessary roughness call,

it was targeting a defenseless receiver high while leading with his helmet. Inexcusable at any time during the game.



No, he was targeting a receiver trying to catch the ball, leading with his shoulder. Did you even watch the play or listen to the commentary. The only reason it was called was because the impact hit the receiver in the head, and the NCAA is starting to crack down on that. And it wasn't even intentional because the hit would have been lower if the receiver wasn't falling down.

spiderpaz: merkey88: spiderpaz: questionable unnecessary roughness call,

it was targeting a defenseless receiver high while leading with his helmet. Inexcusable at any time during the game.



No, he was targeting a receiver trying to catch the ball, leading with his shoulder. Did you even watch the play or listen to the commentary. The only reason it was called was because the impact hit the receiver in the head, and the NCAA is starting to crack down on that. And it wasn't even intentional because the hit would have been lower if the receiver wasn't falling down.

he looked rather defenseless to me. he was coming down and just turning his head as the safety led into him. id call that every time.

merkey88: so if a runner runs for 40 yards on 2nd and 10, with a hold 30 yards downfield, is it now 2nd and -10?

... that's stupid. Please don't waste anyone's time by being stupid.

Perhaps "negate" was the incorrect term, it is just a simple fact that a first down is not set in stone, depending on position of the ball. An easier example would be to look at an illegal formation/shift, or other pre-snap penalty that does not result in a dead ball (and stoppage of play). The play could result in a 70 yard gain, but the play will be nullified by the penalty, 5 yards taken, and it will be a repeat of the down. Now, expand on this theory"live ball" penalty, such as holding, where the location of the hold on the field (generally) determines the location from which penalty yardage is taken.

Anyway, if the hold takes place 5 yards downfield from the first down marker, it would be whatever down it was prior with 5 yards to go. If the hold takes place more than 10 yards beyond that marker, it is 1st and 10, and the ball is spotted 10 yards from the location of the hold. The only time the location of the runner would matter is if a hold took place further downfield than the location where the runner was tackled.

I agree with USC on this one. The last few minutes of regulation looked like the PAC trying to protect its one undefeated team; putting it on par with WWE as far as sport goes.

Obviously, a holding behind the line of scrimmage (barring some specific circumstances, such as a change in possession) is simply a 10 yard penalty from the original spot.

"I watched it over the weekend, just to see if it's the same, and it's really still the same," he said. "I guess we waste time continuing to recruit them. We know within the first 10 minutes whether they're the type of guys that want to play here or there." --
Lane Kiffin, LA Times

RECRUIT NOT NAMED walks into the football offices at Heritage Hall. LANE KIFFIN enters, eating the butt end of a sandwich. He throws the wrapper on the tile floor without looking.
Kiffin: Hey, numbnuts. You want to be a part of this?
Recruit: I'm sorry, my name is--
Kiffin: You don't get a name until you take your shirt off. Tell him, Ed.
ED ORGERON bursts through the floor and leaps into the picture covered in plaster and some kind of blood.
Orgeron: NOWTAKEAHYA SHIRTOFFAH SON!

The recruit takes off his shirt. Lane Kiffin picks up a Diet Coke from a desk, finishes it, and drops it on the floor without looking.
Orgeron: NOWTAKEAYAH PANTSOFFAH SON!
Recruit: Um, I..why do i have to take my pants off?
Orgeron: BECAWZA WILDBOYZAH DONNA WEARNAW PANTSAHBOY!
Kiffin: You heard him. Take your pants off and show us your wild boy.
Lane Kiffin stares. He picks up a huge turkey leg, takes one bite out of it, and drops it on the floor. it leaves a smear of grease on the side of his cheek. He does not wipe it off.
Recruit: Are we going to go on a tour or something, because--
Orgeron: NOWYATAKEOFFA DAMANPANTEEZ.
The recruit stares at the secretaries and coaches milling through the offices.
Recruit: I don't have anything on underneath this.
Lane Kiffin: We need to know you're committed. We need to know you're ready to walk in here naked and ready to be reborn. If you're ready to be a Trojan, you'll walk through that door with nothing on but your pride, son.
Kiffin removes a Red Bull from a drawer, drinks half, and then tosses it over his shoulder
Secretary: Goddammit! That wasn't even empty.
Kiffin: I DON'T HEAR FURNITURE. Drop 'em, slapnuts. Let's see if you're ready.
Recruit: Okay. I'll do it.
He takes off his underwear and stands naked in the office in front of no fewer than 20 people.
Kiffin: Sucker!
Orgeron: HOHOHOHOOHHOOHOHOHBOY!
He and Orgeron grab the recruits clothes and start running toward their offices. Security guards take the young man and throw him out of the doors and into the campus in broad daylight. They watch him peeking through the blinds.
Kiffin: What's he doing? Is he running, or is he strutting?
Orgeron: DAT BOY ISSA RUNNINFORAH DAHILLS.
Kiffin: He can go to UCLA, then. A Lane Kiffin man has no time for shame.
Orgeron: DASSARIGHT.
Kiffin: Maualuga was walking around asking for girls' numbers, for Pete's sakes.
Orgeron: CONFIDENCEISSA MOSTIMPORTANTAH CLOTHINITELLYA.
Lane Kiffin sniffs at a hot pizza on his desk, picks it up, licks it once, and drops it on the floor cheese-side down.
Kiffin: CLEANUP ON AISLE BIG BALLS! I'd do it myself, but I'm allergic to work losers do.
He walks out of the office.

It was a close call. The real fail was (as stated above) a lack of situational awareness. It was a great game, but the outcome is more important for Stanford and Oregon. Fark for Barkley!

Lane Kiffin molests Collies. That is all.

bighasbeen: You miss the conversion:

It's ok.

No, it's not ok. In fact, it's not ok to go for two in the first quarter at all. For the first three and a half quarters, you take points when you can get them. I'd take far more issue with this than going for two to try to win a game in overtime.

bighasbeen: I agree, I don't think it is. I was only trying to explain Kiffin's cover-his-ass, seem bold but really be conservative style. He goes for two in the first because it's a safe time to be bold.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

At least he doesn't wear a sweater vest.

varmitydog: CLEANUP ON AISLE BIG BALLS

You're my hero.