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(ESPN)   ESPN's Statheads correct "Total QBR" stat to say what everyone else already knew: Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL, Tebow is the absolute worst   (espn.go.com) divider line 146
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2011-10-31 01:09:25 PM
I feel like Matt Stafford is like Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub, everybody keeps telling me they're good, so they must be, right?

And their names are all Matt.
 
2011-10-31 01:22:31 PM

mitchcumstein1: I feel like Matt Stafford is like Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub, everybody keeps telling me they're good, so they must be, right?

And their names are all Matt.


Meanwhile our Matt is up at number four having a fantastic season that is totally being ignored.
 
2011-10-31 01:29:31 PM

GAT_00: mitchcumstein1: I feel like Matt Stafford is like Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub, everybody keeps telling me they're good, so they must be, right?

And their names are all Matt.

Meanwhile our Matt is up at number four having a fantastic season that is totally being ignored.


My Matt is at 17 and having a serviceable season that is being rightfully ignored.
 
2011-10-31 01:52:58 PM

mitchcumstein1: I feel like Matt Stafford is like Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub, everybody keeps telling me they're good, so they must be, right?

And their names are all Matt.


Matt Stafford is really good. 19 TD, 4 INT and a QB Rating of 99.1. What's not to like?
 
2011-10-31 02:16:09 PM
I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?
 
2011-10-31 02:21:47 PM

FishyFred: I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?


The people at ESPN thought Michael Vick's wasn't high enough last year.

Link (new window)
 
2011-10-31 02:21:48 PM
Tim Tebow is only talked about for two reasons: it's fun to say his name, and all the crazy jesus shiat.
 
2011-10-31 02:25:01 PM

FishyFred: I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?


Espn couldn't control it, they couldn't explain it clearly, and they wanted to simplify things so they could talk about certain QBs more.
 
2011-10-31 02:25:52 PM

DamnYankees: mitchcumstein1: I feel like Matt Stafford is like Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub, everybody keeps telling me they're good, so they must be, right?

And their names are all Matt.

Matt Stafford is really good. 19 TD, 4 INT and a QB Rating of 99.1. What's not to like?


I agree. I take these sabermetrics type things with a big grain of salt. Besides I picked him up off the free agent list right after our draft and he's been my starter since Week2.

I guess just gotta hope he stays healthy.
 
2011-10-31 02:26:07 PM
"Attempting to catch a souvenir baseball thrown by Josh Hamilton > Tebow"


My favorite from the day.
 
2011-10-31 02:28:47 PM

Unixfreak: Tim Tebow is only talked about for two reasons: it's fun to say his name, and all the crazy jesus shiat.


You're forgetting the constant media cockgarbbling of the man....

I don't recall ever hearing the media be so apologetic for a QBs shortcomings. When Lynch said yesterday that the reason the Denver WRs weren't getting open was because they were used to Kyle Orton getting sacked faster than Tebow, I wanted to throw my TV into traffic.
 
2011-10-31 02:31:24 PM
Not a big Tebow fan (although I do hate the hype and I disliked the zealotry for him when he played in Florida), but I honestly hope that with all this news about him sucking only serves as fuel for him to try to overcome it.
 
2011-10-31 02:33:05 PM

LegacyDL: Not a big Tebow fan (although I do hate the hype and I disliked the zealotry for him when he played in Florida), but I honestly hope that with all this news about him sucking only serves as fuel for him to try to overcome it.


I hope John Fox buys the same billboard the fans did.

ARE YOU FARKING HAPPY NOW?
 
2011-10-31 02:33:32 PM

InferiousX: When Lynch said yesterday that the reason the Denver WRs weren't getting open was because they were used to Kyle Orton getting sacked faster than Tebow, I wanted to throw my TV into traffic.


You'd be a better person if you just spent 5 minutes with Tebow.
 
2011-10-31 02:39:33 PM
If you keep adjusting the metric to fit public perception, then the metric has no value.
 
2011-10-31 02:43:04 PM
If Tebow ran out of a burning house, engulfed in flames... I would not piss on him to put the fire out.

/would point and laugh
//ESPN.. ugh... farking idiots over there
///would pay money to slap Berman with a brick
 
2011-10-31 02:43:28 PM
There is a stat missing.. games won.

Andy Dalton > Cam Newton > Tim Tebow
 
2011-10-31 02:44:28 PM

InferiousX: You're forgetting the constant media cockgarbbling of the man....


My wife and I played a drinking game yesterday. Everytime they said "Tim Tebow" (the full name) we drank. Mrs. Muta polished off a bottle of wine after the first half and I was on my third highball of burbon praying for 3 and outs.
 
2011-10-31 02:45:30 PM
I still can't get over how long Tebow's release is. A 15 yard pass from him requires a f*cking windup as if he's tying to throw a baseball 90mph+. The announcers in yesterday's games were bleating about how "shorter throws and bubble screens!" would be the answer, but bubble screens to WRs only work in the NFL if the corners are playing off, and if it doesn't take a half-hour for the ball to arrive. There's literally no reason for an opposing CB to play "off" coverage against the Broncos.
 
2011-10-31 02:48:26 PM

DamnYankees: mitchcumstein1: I feel like Matt Stafford is like Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub, everybody keeps telling me they're good, so they must be, right?

And their names are all Matt.

Matt Stafford is really good. 19 TD, 4 INT and a QB Rating of 99.1. What's not to like?


Yes, this year he's doing well, but he's never played a full season and he always seems to be hurt.
 
2011-10-31 02:48:29 PM
Made up statistic is still made up.
 
2011-10-31 02:49:10 PM
ESPN's incessant Tebow coverage > Tebow
 
2011-10-31 02:50:03 PM

Dog Welder: Made up statistic is still made up.


Exactly. And ESPN can make the stat look however they want it to look and mean exactly what they want it to mean so they can continue to push the teams they want to.

I hate ESPN. HATE them.
 
2011-10-31 02:50:49 PM

Muta: InferiousX: You're forgetting the constant media cockgarbbling of the man....

My wife and I played a drinking game yesterday. Everytime they said "Tim Tebow" (the full name) we drank. Mrs. Muta polished off a bottle of wine after the first half and I was on my third highball of burbon praying for 3 and outs.


How did you not end up in the ER?
 
2011-10-31 02:50:54 PM

Dog Welder: Made up statistic is still made up.


That's true of the original QB rating stat too.
 
2011-10-31 02:50:59 PM

mitchcumstein1: Yes, this year he's doing well, but he's never played a full season and he always seems to be hurt.


I'm pretty sure Stafford's epitaph would start with "IF he stays healthy...". In fact, those four words might be the only thing required on his tombstone for a random person to walk by it and say "hey, this must be Matt Stafford!"
 
2011-10-31 02:51:28 PM

FishyFred: I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?


The old QB rating was kinda dumb too and no longer worked in the modern game where most of today's QBs would grading out better than the old greats.
 
2011-10-31 02:59:36 PM
I know this is pretty shocking to read, but it seems like Eli is too low on this list. I've been a hater but he's really been playing lights-out recently.
 
2011-10-31 03:00:22 PM

Killer Cars: mitchcumstein1: Yes, this year he's doing well, but he's never played a full season and he always seems to be hurt.

I'm pretty sure Stafford's epitaph would start with "IF he stays healthy...". In fact, those four words might be the only thing required on his tombstone for a random person to walk by it and say "hey, this must be Matt Stafford!"


Well, to be fair, this is only what, his 3rd year? He'll be fine, my little Debbie Downers. Just fine.
 
2011-10-31 03:00:23 PM

MugzyBrown: FishyFred: I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?

The old QB rating was kinda dumb too and no longer worked in the modern game where most of today's QBs would grading out better than the old greats.


Obviously the answer is an era-adjusted QBR+ stat.
 
2011-10-31 03:00:51 PM
FishyFred 2011-10-31 02:16:09 PM I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?
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The fact that it's capped everywhere, the fact that you can throw a single pass and get a nearly perfect rating if it goes for a touchdown... shiat like that.
 
2011-10-31 03:01:00 PM
Being the middle piece in a human centipede > Tebow
 
2011-10-31 03:01:00 PM

MugzyBrown: FishyFred: I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?

The old QB rating was kinda dumb too and no longer worked in the modern game where most of today's QBs would grading out better than the old greats.


It still worked as a relative-to-the-era stat and did a good job of showing how QB-friendly the league has become.
 
2011-10-31 03:02:05 PM
FarkTV > Tebow
 
2011-10-31 03:02:13 PM
How the heck does Alex Smith wind up 24th? He's having a solid year, though the past couple games he's started missing on easy 10 yard passes.

-18.2 in the sack part of these rankings? The offensive line has been holding up alright. Apparently he's been sacked 17 times, which is more than I thought, but not terrible for 7 games. A little bad, yeah. And I get that Smith doesn't throw as much as most QBs and that probably hurts him here. But 24th? For putting up a 95.7 rating, 9-2 TD/int, and a lame but not awful 7.0 yards per attempt?

Whatever.

/Oh, this whole thing is "expected points added * number of action plays." Okay. Cool. So it actively hurts QBs who throw less often, unlike yards per attempt, which is still (along with turnovers) a better way to evaluate QBs.
 
2011-10-31 03:04:26 PM
Tebow is not the worst QB in the league. Yesterday was bad, but what do you expect when the offensive line doesn't block?
 
2011-10-31 03:04:58 PM

Di Atribe: Well, to be fair, this is only what, his 3rd year? He'll be fine, my little Debbie Downers. Just fine.


I'm already sold on the kid. The fact he's even still standing upright having Jeff Backus protect his blindside and w/o a steady running game is beyond me.
 
2011-10-31 03:05:32 PM
Like QB Rating or QBR are any better than just looking at how many Fantasy points a guy has.
 
2011-10-31 03:08:55 PM

Tango_down: There is a stat missing.. games won.

Andy Dalton > Cam Newton > Tim Tebow


Having the leagues best defense factors into your missing stat. Imagine that.
 
2011-10-31 03:09:03 PM

RogueViking: MugzyBrown: FishyFred: I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?

The old QB rating was kinda dumb too and no longer worked in the modern game where most of today's QBs would grading out better than the old greats.

Obviously the answer is an era-adjusted QBR+ stat.


How about instead of WAR like in baseball, we have WAJG (Wins Above Jeff George)?

How likely is that QB to be better than Jeff George in his mid-late career (standard QB avg)
 
2011-10-31 03:09:23 PM

IAmRight: MugzyBrown: FishyFred: I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?

The old QB rating was kinda dumb too and no longer worked in the modern game where most of today's QBs would grading out better than the old greats.

It still worked as a relative-to-the-era stat and did a good job of showing how QB-friendly the league has become.


The biggest problem with this system is obvious when one looks to the right of that "12" in the Rank column.
 
2011-10-31 03:10:15 PM
Tebow's Total QBR of 3.4 on 59 action plays (in Week 8) was the lowest by any QB with at least 50 action plays in a game since 2008.

Normally I'd try to insert a witty comment here, but that just about said it all.
 
2011-10-31 03:11:32 PM

Killer Cars: Di Atribe: Well, to be fair, this is only what, his 3rd year? He'll be fine, my little Debbie Downers. Just fine.

I'm already sold on the kid. The fact he's even still standing upright having Jeff Backus protect his blindside and w/o a steady running game is beyond me.


Good good good. I think Stafford is easily my 3rd favorite QB in the league. I like watching him play.
 
2011-10-31 03:12:39 PM
and anyone with a brain, who wants stats beyond inane and useless total yard garbage, still goes by DVOA metrics, which kill this watered down 4th grader attempt at analysis.
 
2011-10-31 03:13:53 PM
Oh, and they didn't have to adjust anything to end up with this. Tebow happened to have a great few minutes playing against the Chargers because Norv Turner is an idiot and thinks the Chargers don't have to keep trying in the second half to dominate.

Since then, Tebow has had more opportunity to suck, and has.

Similarly, the previous time this was posted, it only covered the last game. Rodgers has been the top guy all year overall.
 
2011-10-31 03:15:16 PM

Treygreen13: I know this is pretty shocking to read, but it seems like Eli is too low on this list. I've been a hater but he's really been playing lights-out recently.


What did I just read? Am I awake?

This is honestly terrifying.
 
2011-10-31 03:15:37 PM
Tonight, I'm going as John Beck. It'll just be me in 9 burlap bags.
 
2011-10-31 03:16:09 PM
Fantasy QB Leaders

Aaron Rodgers, GB QB 171/239 2372 20 3 29 75 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 182
Cam Newton, Car QB P 152/252 2103 8 9 57 266 7 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 160
Drew Brees, NO QB 212/299 2477 18 8 12 35 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 159
Tom Brady, NE QB 160/237 2163 16 8 10 30 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 132
Matthew Stafford, Det QB P 162/269 1912 16 4 6 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 129
Michael Vick, Phi QB 123/200 1573 9 8 45 372 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 109
Matt Schaub, Hou QB 137/224 1893 12 5 10 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 109
Ben Roethlisberger, Pit QB 147/234 1937 12 6 18 50 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 105
Eli Manning, NYG QB 125/196 1778 11 5 16 -12 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 103
Mark Sanchez, NYJ QB 129/231 1545 12 6 13 67 2 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 102
Tony Romo, Dal QB P 140/217 1756 10 6 6 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 94
Josh Freeman, TB QB 166/270 1723 7 10 28 109 2 0 -4 0 0 0 0 0 94
Ryan Fitzpatrick, Buf QB P 134/202 1477 12 6 17 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 93
Matt Ryan, Atl QB P 154/252 1683 9 8 18 62 2 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 92
Jay Cutler, Chi QB 137/232 1702 9 6 8 27 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 87
Matt Hasselbeck, Ten QB 131/211 1518 10 6 5 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 84
Philip Rivers, SD QB 141/218 1715 7 9 17 34 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 82
Colt McCoy, Cle QB 141/252 1377 8 4 25 80 0 1 -5 0 1 0 1 0 81
Joe Flacco, Bal QB 110/211 1415 8 5 14 23 1 1 -8 0 1 0 3 0 77
Alex Smith, SF QB 100/158 1090 8 2 13 47 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 75
Andy Dalton, Cin QB 118/189 1311 7 5 8 19 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 75
Jason Campbell*, Oak QB O 100/165 1170 6 4 18 60 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 74
Kevin Kolb, Ari QB P 119/206 1553 7 7 13 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 71
Donovan McNabb, Min QB 94/156 1026 4 2 14 59 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 62
Matt Cassel, KC QB 108/170 1106 8 7 12 31 0 1 -4 0 1 0 1 0 61
Tarvaris Jackson, Sea QB P 99/157 1012 6 5 17 78 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 59
Chad Henne*, Mia QB IR 64/112 868 4 4 15 112 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 56
Kyle Orton, Den QB 91/155 979 8 7 5 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 51
Sam Bradford*, StL QB O 104/196 1177 3 2 9 22 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 48
Rex Grossman, Wsh QB P 92/165 1132 6 9 10 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 45
Curtis Painter, Ind QB 65/119 873 5 2 7 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 45
Blaine Gabbert, Jac QB P 69/143 810 4 2 20 43 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 40
Tim Tebow, Den QB 17/37 240 3 0 16 96 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 37
John Beck, Wsh QB 30/52 396 1 1 5 24 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 29
Christian Ponder, Min QB 22/49 318 2 2 5 39 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 18
Kerry Collins*, Ind QB IR 48/98 481 2 1 2 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 17
Matt Moore, Mia QB P

if fantasy penalized INTs more heavily and gave points for passing first downs it would be a better indicator. This isn't baseball, though.
 
2011-10-31 03:17:39 PM

Di Atribe: Killer Cars: mitchcumstein1: Yes, this year he's doing well, but he's never played a full season and he always seems to be hurt.

I'm pretty sure Stafford's epitaph would start with "IF he stays healthy...". In fact, those four words might be the only thing required on his tombstone for a random person to walk by it and say "hey, this must be Matt Stafford!"

Well, to be fair, this is only what, his 3rd year? He'll be fine, my little Debbie Downers. Just fine.


Matt Stafford has played 21 games total. That includes games he was hurt and didn't finish. Citation provided.

He's had OTA's and such for a few years so he should certainly understand the offenseive scheme. That being said, he's basically only played 1 full year of football. Pretty good stuff for that little playing time.
 
2011-10-31 03:18:18 PM
Yo dawg, I heard you like sabremetrics...
 
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