Tim Tebow is only talked about for two reasons: it's fun to say his name, and all the crazy jesus shiat.

FishyFred: I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?

Espn couldn't control it, they couldn't explain it clearly, and they wanted to simplify things so they could talk about certain QBs more.

DamnYankees: mitchcumstein1: I feel like Matt Stafford is like Matt Ryan and Matt Schaub, everybody keeps telling me they're good, so they must be, right?

And their names are all Matt.

Matt Stafford is really good. 19 TD, 4 INT and a QB Rating of 99.1. What's not to like?

I agree. I take these sabermetrics type things with a big grain of salt. Besides I picked him up off the free agent list right after our draft and he's been my starter since Week2.

I guess just gotta hope he stays healthy.

"Attempting to catch a souvenir baseball thrown by Josh Hamilton > Tebow"


My favorite from the day.

Unixfreak: Tim Tebow is only talked about for two reasons: it's fun to say his name, and all the crazy jesus shiat.

You're forgetting the constant media cockgarbbling of the man....

I don't recall ever hearing the media be so apologetic for a QBs shortcomings. When Lynch said yesterday that the reason the Denver WRs weren't getting open was because they were used to Kyle Orton getting sacked faster than Tebow, I wanted to throw my TV into traffic.

Not a big Tebow fan (although I do hate the hype and I disliked the zealotry for him when he played in Florida), but I honestly hope that with all this news about him sucking only serves as fuel for him to try to overcome it.

LegacyDL: Not a big Tebow fan (although I do hate the hype and I disliked the zealotry for him when he played in Florida), but I honestly hope that with all this news about him sucking only serves as fuel for him to try to overcome it.

I hope John Fox buys the same billboard the fans did.

ARE YOU FARKING HAPPY NOW?

InferiousX: When Lynch said yesterday that the reason the Denver WRs weren't getting open was because they were used to Kyle Orton getting sacked faster than Tebow, I wanted to throw my TV into traffic.

You'd be a better person if you just spent 5 minutes with Tebow.

If you keep adjusting the metric to fit public perception, then the metric has no value.

If Tebow ran out of a burning house, engulfed in flames... I would not piss on him to put the fire out.

/would point and laugh
//ESPN.. ugh... farking idiots over there
///would pay money to slap Berman with a brick

There is a stat missing.. games won.

Andy Dalton > Cam Newton > Tim Tebow

InferiousX: You're forgetting the constant media cockgarbbling of the man....

My wife and I played a drinking game yesterday. Everytime they said "Tim Tebow" (the full name) we drank. Mrs. Muta polished off a bottle of wine after the first half and I was on my third highball of burbon praying for 3 and outs.

I still can't get over how long Tebow's release is. A 15 yard pass from him requires a f*cking windup as if he's tying to throw a baseball 90mph+. The announcers in yesterday's games were bleating about how "shorter throws and bubble screens!" would be the answer, but bubble screens to WRs only work in the NFL if the corners are playing off, and if it doesn't take a half-hour for the ball to arrive. There's literally no reason for an opposing CB to play "off" coverage against the Broncos.

Made up statistic is still made up.

ESPN's incessant Tebow coverage > Tebow

Dog Welder: Made up statistic is still made up.

Exactly. And ESPN can make the stat look however they want it to look and mean exactly what they want it to mean so they can continue to push the teams they want to.

I hate ESPN. HATE them.

Muta: InferiousX: You're forgetting the constant media cockgarbbling of the man....

My wife and I played a drinking game yesterday. Everytime they said "Tim Tebow" (the full name) we drank. Mrs. Muta polished off a bottle of wine after the first half and I was on my third highball of burbon praying for 3 and outs.

How did you not end up in the ER?

Dog Welder: Made up statistic is still made up.

That's true of the original QB rating stat too.

mitchcumstein1: Yes, this year he's doing well, but he's never played a full season and he always seems to be hurt.

I'm pretty sure Stafford's epitaph would start with "IF he stays healthy...". In fact, those four words might be the only thing required on his tombstone for a random person to walk by it and say "hey, this must be Matt Stafford!"

FishyFred: I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?

The old QB rating was kinda dumb too and no longer worked in the modern game where most of today's QBs would grading out better than the old greats.

MugzyBrown: FishyFred: I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?

The old QB rating was kinda dumb too and no longer worked in the modern game where most of today's QBs would grading out better than the old greats.

Obviously the answer is an era-adjusted QBR+ stat.

FishyFred 2011-10-31 02:16:09 PM I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?
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The fact that it's capped everywhere, the fact that you can throw a single pass and get a nearly perfect rating if it goes for a touchdown... shiat like that.

How the heck does Alex Smith wind up 24th? He's having a solid year, though the past couple games he's started missing on easy 10 yard passes.

-18.2 in the sack part of these rankings? The offensive line has been holding up alright. Apparently he's been sacked 17 times, which is more than I thought, but not terrible for 7 games. A little bad, yeah. And I get that Smith doesn't throw as much as most QBs and that probably hurts him here. But 24th? For putting up a 95.7 rating, 9-2 TD/int, and a lame but not awful 7.0 yards per attempt?

Whatever.

/Oh, this whole thing is "expected points added * number of action plays." Okay. Cool. So it actively hurts QBs who throw less often, unlike yards per attempt, which is still (along with turnovers) a better way to evaluate QBs.

Tebow is not the worst QB in the league. Yesterday was bad, but what do you expect when the offensive line doesn't block?

Di Atribe: Well, to be fair, this is only what, his 3rd year? He'll be fine, my little Debbie Downers. Just fine.

I'm already sold on the kid. The fact he's even still standing upright having Jeff Backus protect his blindside and w/o a steady running game is beyond me.

Tango_down: There is a stat missing.. games won.

Andy Dalton > Cam Newton > Tim Tebow

Having the leagues best defense factors into your missing stat. Imagine that.

RogueViking: MugzyBrown: FishyFred: I am still not convinced that QBR is worth a shiat. What was wrong with the old QB rating?

The old QB rating was kinda dumb too and no longer worked in the modern game where most of today's QBs would grading out better than the old greats.

Obviously the answer is an era-adjusted QBR+ stat.

How about instead of WAR like in baseball, we have WAJG (Wins Above Jeff George)?

How likely is that QB to be better than Jeff George in his mid-late career (standard QB avg)

Tebow's Total QBR of 3.4 on 59 action plays (in Week 8) was the lowest by any QB with at least 50 action plays in a game since 2008.

Normally I'd try to insert a witty comment here, but that just about said it all.

and anyone with a brain, who wants stats beyond inane and useless total yard garbage, still goes by DVOA metrics, which kill this watered down 4th grader attempt at analysis.

Treygreen13: I know this is pretty shocking to read, but it seems like Eli is too low on this list. I've been a hater but he's really been playing lights-out recently.

What did I just read? Am I awake?

This is honestly terrifying.

Di Atribe: Killer Cars: mitchcumstein1: Yes, this year he's doing well, but he's never played a full season and he always seems to be hurt.

I'm pretty sure Stafford's epitaph would start with "IF he stays healthy...". In fact, those four words might be the only thing required on his tombstone for a random person to walk by it and say "hey, this must be Matt Stafford!"

Well, to be fair, this is only what, his 3rd year? He'll be fine, my little Debbie Downers. Just fine.

Matt Stafford has played 21 games total. That includes games he was hurt and didn't finish. Citation provided.

He's had OTA's and such for a few years so he should certainly understand the offenseive scheme. That being said, he's basically only played 1 full year of football. Pretty good stuff for that little playing time.

Yo dawg, I heard you like sabremetrics...