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2011-10-31 09:51:31 AM
If you don't want to read the article, let me save you some time:

People are becoming more secular, and it's ruining marriage. The end. OH yeah, and please won't somebody think of the children?
 
2011-10-31 10:00:45 AM
I'm pretty sure my marriage was ruined by marrying the wrong woman...
 
2011-10-31 10:14:23 AM
Cythraul: If you don't want to read the article, let me save you some time:

People are becoming more secular, and it's ruining marriage. The end. OH yeah, and please won't somebody think of the children?


Ugh. My cousin recently got married. The pastor was terrible. I swear they picked him up on the street on the way. He read from a three ring binder.
 
2011-10-31 10:20:05 AM
I was once in court because of a traffic ticket and was the witness to a nice Filipino couple getting married by the presiding judge. It was nice. Bride and groom and family comes in, the judge says a few words about the ceremony, and then does the ceremony, and when the ceremony is over, everybody cheers, and the happy couple is off.

I think that's a good way to go about it. Maybe it's not glamorous, but the couple saves the $30,000-$50,000 dollars that some other acquaintances of mine have spent in pursuit of their "perfect" day. (Which is doubly retarded, since those acquaintances were already a couple hundred grand in the hole for law school.)
 
2011-10-31 10:25:52 AM
Diogenes: Cythraul: If you don't want to read the article, let me save you some time:

People are becoming more secular, and it's ruining marriage. The end. OH yeah, and please won't somebody think of the children?

Ugh. My cousin recently got married. The pastor was terrible. I swear they picked him up on the street on the way. He read from a three ring binder.


Hah! Could have been worse, I guess. The binder could have had the World of Warcraft logo on it, and the pastor could have given the ceremony in Klingon.

My brother got married in one of those $20.00 per marriage, don't have to wait more than an hour to get hitched kind of places. It was a 30 by 20 foot room with a few pews with enough seating to have maybe 20 to 30 people in there. They had some cheesy 80's love ballad playing over a tape player.

I come from a white-wedding, $50,000 price tag ceremony kind of family, so seeing him get married that way was a bit uncomfortable. But if that's what made him happy, that's good enough for me.

I think marriage these days with Bridezillas and such is getting a bit out of hand, so I can understand the desire for a 'low key' kind of marriage, but come on, ya gotta have at least a little bit of splurgy tradition involved.

Me being a homosexual, if my state/country ever recognizes gay marriage, I'll have a non-flashy marriage myself. The majority of those I would invite wouldn't take it seriously anyway, so it'll be my immediate family (mostly) and a not-so-pricey ceremony. But the importance of the commitment will still be taken as serious as any wedding should.
 
2011-10-31 10:28:54 AM
Cythraul: Hah! Could have been worse, I guess. The binder could have had the World of Warcraft logo on it, and the pastor could have given the ceremony in Klingon.

C'mon, a Klingon ceremony would've been awesome. And, who could forget four days on the path to Kal'Hyah?
 
2011-10-31 10:32:28 AM
RexTalionis: Cythraul: Hah! Could have been worse, I guess. The binder could have had the World of Warcraft logo on it, and the pastor could have given the ceremony in Klingon.

C'mon, a Klingon ceremony would've been awesome. And, who could forget four days on the path to Kal'Hyah?


I guess if you're nerdy enough, a nerd themed wedding would be awesome. I've read several news stories about themed weddings styled to fit the characters of the newly weds. At first I thought they were ridiculous. But now, those kinds of wedding seem more appropriate than the cookie cutter white weddings.
 
2011-10-31 10:33:49 AM
Magazines and websites love to trot out the latest wedding trends, such as "vintage touches," "eco-friendliness" and "good night stations." But these are all about style, not substance.

As a pastor, the trends that interest me most...


Oh, I immediately don't care what your opinion is.

the rise in non-clergy-officiated weddings.

Heaven farking forbid.
 
2011-10-31 10:36:06 AM
Cythraul: I guess if you're nerdy enough, a nerd themed wedding would be awesome.

If you're nerdy enough for a nerd wedding, you'd never condone the Horde symbol juxtaposed with anything Star Trek.

www.gamerdna.com

!=

www.startreklives.de
 
2011-10-31 10:38:32 AM
kingoomieiii: Cythraul: I guess if you're nerdy enough, a nerd themed wedding would be awesome.

If you're nerdy enough for a nerd wedding, you'd never condone the Horde symbol juxtaposed with anything Star Trek.

[www.gamerdna.com image 131x131]

!=

[www.startreklives.de image 131x153]


Hey, it could have been a re-purposed binder. He was a lazy nerd-pastor who didn't remove the old WoW cover on his now Klingon marriage ceremonial binder.
 
2011-10-31 10:44:00 AM
In addition, a measure of accountability comes from making these promises in a public ceremony.

So people should get married because it's more difficult to break off, causing couples who don't like each other to stay together.
 
2011-10-31 10:57:51 AM
The more I see of modern Bridezillas the more I'm convinced that my ideal wedding will consist of eloping and spending the money that would've been on the wedding for a honeymoon to Antarctica.

If nothing else, I figure it's a good filter to find a guy I'm compatible with. Well that and I'd get a trip to Antarctica and not have to plan a wedding.
 
2011-10-31 10:59:09 AM
Cythraul: RexTalionis: Cythraul: Hah! Could have been worse, I guess. The binder could have had the World of Warcraft logo on it, and the pastor could have given the ceremony in Klingon.

C'mon, a Klingon ceremony would've been awesome. And, who could forget four days on the path to Kal'Hyah?

I guess if you're nerdy enough, a nerd themed wedding would be awesome. I've read several news stories about themed weddings styled to fit the characters of the newly weds. At first I thought they were ridiculous. But now, those kinds of wedding seem more appropriate than the cookie cutter white weddings.


A pair of my friends didn't have the whole wedding nerdy like that (and they spent WAY too much, like way WAY to much), but they did have some kind of WoW cocktail that was terrible tasting, but they liked it. Just fruity and sweet. Drank rum and coke the rest of the night.
 
2011-10-31 11:00:14 AM
Andromeda: The more I see of modern Bridezillas the more I'm convinced that my ideal wedding will consist of eloping and spending the money that would've been on the wedding for a honeymoon to Antarctica.

If nothing else, I figure it's a good filter to find a guy I'm compatible with. Well that and I'd get a trip to Antarctica and not have to plan a wedding.


Sounds nice. Cold is infinitely preferable to hot tropical places.
 
2011-10-31 11:01:25 AM
FTFA: This shift ultimately will harm kids because children in married family households are far less likely to live in poverty than those in single-parent households.

You know, I would tend to believe you, but:

imgs.xkcd.com

Some stats would be nice, too.
 
2011-10-31 11:04:01 AM
kingoomieiii: Magazines and websites love to trot out the latest wedding trends, such as "vintage touches," "eco-friendliness" and "good night stations." But these are all about style, not substance.

As a pastor, the trends that interest me most...

Oh, I immediately don't care what your opinion is.


Yeah, I read that and immediately saw the bias coming from a galaxy away.
 
2011-10-31 11:06:53 AM
kingoomieiii: pastor

I always wondered, is a Pastafarian clergyman referred to as a pastar?
 
2011-10-31 11:25:29 AM
xanadian: FTFA: This shift ultimately will harm kids because children in married family households are far less likely to live in poverty than those in single-parent households.

How about children who grow up with two unmarried parents who live together and love each other? "Common law" marriages aren't pastor-officiated, and no ceremony is involved.
 
2011-10-31 11:30:39 AM
FTFA: "As a pastor..."


altf4
 
2011-10-31 11:31:34 AM
We had a Dudeist Priest. The rug really tied our love together.
 
2011-10-31 11:33:31 AM
If ya want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife. If ya wanna be happy like a know you do, get an ugly girl to marry you.
 
2011-10-31 11:33:52 AM
xanadian: FTFA: This shift ultimately will harm kids because children in married family households are far less likely to live in poverty than those in single-parent households.

You know, I would tend to believe you, but:

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

Some stats would be nice, too.


Jaysis. Really? You are that f*cking lazy? Here ya go. (new window)
 
2011-10-31 11:33:54 AM
RexTalionis: I think that's a good way to go about it. Maybe it's not glamorous, but the couple saves the $30,000-$50,000 dollars that some other acquaintances of mine have spent in pursuit of their "perfect" day. (Which is doubly retarded, since those acquaintances were already a couple hundred grand in the hole for law school.)

Watch out, the bridal-industrial complex will be gunning for you now.
 
2011-10-31 11:34:55 AM
tl:dr - yeah when I got to the "As a pastor.." I knew where it was going.

We have a problem with the following:
- bridezillas
- I won't have sex until you marry me
- Lets get drunk and married
- social networking hookups

Our culture has evolved away from marriage. We don't need any more children anyway. So lets just all agree not to get married and ruin each other's lives.
 
2011-10-31 11:35:20 AM
Blahblahblah, fund my church. Oh, religion, always thinking you're still relevant.
 
2011-10-31 11:36:24 AM
I wasn't married by clergy, so I guess it's doomed to fail. Pure luck we've made it 24 years and such.

A good troll for the religious folks is to point out that "Yes, I think religion is important to maintaining a lasting marriage. That's why we've having a buddhist ceremony, since China only has a 20% divorce rate [compared to America's ~50%]."

Of course that ignores that many women are treated poorly and divorce laws favor the men. Thus for many divorce isn't really an option and they're forced to stay in relationships.
 
2011-10-31 11:37:19 AM
images.wikia.com

And when the two hearts began to beat together, they filled the heavens with a terrible sound. For the first time, the gods knew fear. They tried to flee, but it was too late. The Klingon hearts destroyed the gods who created them, and turned the heavens to ashes. To this very day, no one can oppose the beating of two Klingon hearts - not even me.


How romantic!
 
2011-10-31 11:37:33 AM
Forget random things people think are at fault. People are destroying marriage while at the same time other people are saving it.
 
2011-10-31 11:37:56 AM
Cythraul: If you don't want to read the article, let me save you some time:

People are becoming more secular, and it's ruining marriage. The end. OH yeah, and please won't somebody think of the children?


Eh, the Justice of the Peace option has always been available. I know quite a few that have endured.

His point about the public declaration and contract is valid. If your word and honor are on the line, it should mean more to you.
 
2011-10-31 11:38:21 AM
just as with a building, little is more important than its foundation. So a marriage's starting point - the wedding day - should be more than just cake and cocktails.

The wedding day is a marriage's foundation? Really?

No. No, it isn't.
 
2011-10-31 11:38:41 AM
I know I'd never have another one. The fifth circle of hell is wedding planning. Just continuous wedding planning.
 
2011-10-31 11:38:51 AM
As an atheist engaged to an agnostic with pagan leanings, I think I prefer a Justice of the Peace to do the ceremony. However, I know that his family wants us to be married by his cousin, who's a Lutheran Minister and that she'd do it for free. But I mean really... how much does it really cost to ask a judge or civil servant to marry a couple?

Though I admit, when I went to his sisters wedding where the same cousin married her off, it was the shortest ceremony I'd ever been to. Then again, I come from a Catholic family so lots of weddings are short in comparison.
 
2011-10-31 11:39:05 AM
As an atheist who married a secular Jew on a Saturday, I can tell you it was hard finding cooperative clergy. Plus the rabbi wanted $400 for his efforts, which included premarriage counseling.
 
2011-10-31 11:39:59 AM
Cythraul: kingoomieiii: Cythraul: I guess if you're nerdy enough, a nerd themed wedding would be awesome.

If you're nerdy enough for a nerd wedding, you'd never condone the Horde symbol juxtaposed with anything Star Trek.

[www.gamerdna.com image 131x131]

!=

[www.startreklives.de image 131x153]

Hey, it could have been a re-purposed binder. He was a lazy nerd-pastor who didn't remove the old WoW cover on his now Klingon marriage ceremonial binder.


Why can't it be both? One section for the klingon marriage rites; and another section for mirlocs. No one remembers the mirlocs until it's too late.

\ I am mirloc
\\ rawl rawl rawl
 
2011-10-31 11:40:19 AM
I'm pretty sure my marriage was ruined by the lying cheating drug addicted biatch. I mean seriously how farked up do you have to be to lose an entire car? I'm not kidding the biatch lost a car. Lost as in I went to a strange city to get high, fark my dealer, and now can't remember where I parked the car.
 
2011-10-31 11:40:35 AM
Somehow I doubt his conclusions. My bride and I were married by a Judge at the Shasta County Courthouse. So far so good. It will be 28 years this comming March. We've known several couples who were married by clergy, who have since divorced.
 
2011-10-31 11:40:47 AM
Well maybe they need to spend more on their weddings
 
2011-10-31 11:40:49 AM
Was anyone else expecting TFA to be about the crushing debt caused by big-budget "white weddings" destroying marriages, and not some pastor blathering about sacred vows?
 
2011-10-31 11:41:24 AM
ha-ha-guy: I wasn't married by clergy, so I guess it's doomed to fail. Pure luck we've made it 24 years and such.

A good troll for the religious folks is to point out that "Yes, I think religion is important to maintaining a lasting marriage. That's why we've having a buddhist ceremony, since China only has a 20% divorce rate [compared to America's ~50%]."

Of course that ignores that many women are treated poorly and divorce laws favor the men. Thus for many divorce isn't really an option and they're forced to stay in relationships.


Mileage may vary by state and whether child custody issues are involved (which favor the mother).
 
2011-10-31 11:41:29 AM
A wedding isn't for the bride and groom, it's basically a party for their family and friends.

It's the rental fees, the catering, flows, etc that really bite you in the end. in the old days one family or the other would just make all that themselves, where as today you have to buy it all from someone else.
 
2011-10-31 11:41:31 AM
although neither one of us is religious, we had a pastor marry us in the church that my husband's grandfather built. The pastor is awesome, tends to lean more on the blessings and love side of things than the dogma side. He's one of those people who just exudes warmth. He's doing the blessing for our son in a month or so.
 
2011-10-31 11:41:48 AM
I don't know if marriage is on the decline or anything, but it seems to me we are living longer, more fulfilling lives than ever before. Mind your own business, pastor!
 
2011-10-31 11:42:23 AM
KatjaMouse: As an atheist engaged to an agnostic with pagan leanings, I think I prefer a Justice of the Peace to do the ceremony. However, I know that his family wants us to be married by his cousin, who's a Lutheran Minister and that she'd do it for free. But I mean really... how much does it really cost to ask a judge or civil servant to marry a couple?

Though I admit, when I went to his sisters wedding where the same cousin married her off, it was the shortest ceremony I'd ever been to. Then again, I come from a Catholic family so lots of weddings are short in comparison.


I think it runs about $50 in Georgia.
 
2011-10-31 11:42:32 AM
Glicky: As an atheist who married a secular Jew on a Saturday, I can tell you it was hard finding cooperative clergy. Plus the rabbi wanted $400 for his efforts, which included premarriage counseling.

Yeah, is isn't free. Aggravating bunch of nonsense should cost people some cash.
 
2011-10-31 11:42:51 AM
Actually, in my opinion, Bridezillas are something that is ruining marriage. I mean, if you put all the anticipation and focus on the wedding, and not the married life that follows it, you are setting up that relationship to fail.


/"Bridezilla" refers to the abstract concept, and not any gender in particular
 
2011-10-31 11:44:20 AM
What's destroying marriage is getting rid of the reason to even get married in the first place.

Women can more easily get good playing jobs and have a non-impoverished life while single.
Men can more easily get sex while single.

Neither of those are bad things. And this doesn't stop anyone from having whatever traditional marriage that they were hoping for.
 
2011-10-31 11:44:28 AM
Hmm, I have a friend who is married and really isn't happy. But, said friend feels compelled to remain married due to religious beliefs.

I have another friend who is not married but in a very happy relationship with a long term partner who they have a kid with. They have chosen not to get married and yet shockingly the kid has grown up really well and they are all happy.

In conclusion, marriage is destroying marriage and also a danger to kids.

/Actually probably in no way proof of anything
//Just like the full of crap article from Mr 'Pastor with an agenda'
 
2011-10-31 11:44:57 AM
Part of what is killing marriage is how one-sided it is. Women expect expensive gifts for marriage, child birth, etc. Fine, long as men get them too.
 
2011-10-31 11:45:03 AM
I'm pretty sure the reason my marriage failed was because I married a man...

But since I'm a raging 'mo, that means I'm to blame for the destruction of ALL marriages, through my super secret gay powers. It's just as well, really, since I hate to do anything half-assed...
 
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2011-10-31 11:45:18 AM
Reason #1 I'm not having a religious person marry me in 2 weeks: I'm not religious.
Reason #2 I'm not having a religious person marry me in 2 weeks: I really don't want to make a multi-thousand dollar "donation" to their place of practice. I had a buddy get married at the same church that his bride's mother and grandmother got married at, and it ended up costing him upwards of $20k in fees for the service alone. The Justice of the Peace is going to run me $250 total.

//fiancee and I are covering everything except the rehearsal dinner. if I'm going to spend money on something, I'd better be getting my money's worth.
 
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