Andromeda: I just moved away from Ohio a few months ago after seven years living there. And really, $250k? I guess that means I know a few one percenters, and all of Shaker Heights is a member of that club.

You also forget that Shaker Heights, while wealthy, has a VAST number of people who live at or below poverty. (Think Shaker Square area). Also, most of those old mansions in SH are selling for less than the cost of building a new McMansion.

Still doesn't change the taxes though. For every $100,000 of home value in Shaker Heights/Cleveland Heights/University Heights, residents pay $275/month in taxes ... lololol.

/unless you're a millionaire

They leaving because they have enough money to get the fark out of Ohio.

Actually, in most states if you make over $250k you are a "1%er".

Um, have you been to Ohio? I'd leave as soon as I had enough for a bus ticket.

It's hard work and sacrifice living in a workers paradise.

badhatharry: Take that rich dudes! Now we are all poor!!!

Well the 1% has been committing class warfare and has done greatly in accomplishing the destruction of the middle class.
They wanted stratification that left nothing but the rich and the poor.
So if you subtract the rich out of the equation, of course you have nothing but poor. Poor that they created through abuse and exploitation.

Andromeda: I just moved away from Ohio a few months ago after seven years living there. And really, $250k? I guess that means I know a few one percenters, and all of Shaker Heights is a member of that club.

Yeah, I know that area, everyone will tell you they are wealthy/make money when in reality most live 5x beyond their means and are clueless.

Seriously, I've lived in 5 cities in my life, always in very nice middle class areas and every freaking neighbor I have ever had has always said "oh, you know this area is super rich, the most in the state, blah blah blah". Middle class people so desperately want attention.

250K? I can believe that. In Middletown Ohio, there's massive old mansions built from 1890-1910 that can be had for 200k. I'm talking 18 room, vaulting ceiling, handcrafted molding.. but you're in Middletown, Ohio.

When I lived in Ohio in the 80s, I was "proud". We had manufacturing everywhere and Ohio ranked consistenly in the top 10 states in about everything good. I left in the early 90s and now I see how desolate Ohio has become and now when you look at the standing Ohio consistenly ranks mid pack at best, they have dropped a good 15 to 20.

And I seriously do not see anything that will change that. They will NEVER get production back and people living there are seriously living in denial if they think they will just fire the plants back up.

ITT, we learn that by manipulating the data range, you can make statistics say whatever you want.

Well... This is based on income tax filings. Ohio, were 25% of people got a good accountant in the last 2 years. Just Sayin.....

If I became a millionaire, I'd move out of Ohio in a heartbeat.

Guess what kids: There's no place on Earth that's a workers' paradise of social justice and equality. Has never existed, doesn't exist and will never exist. Ever. Get over it.

Spiffy? You do know, don't you Subby, that if the number of millionaires in Ohio is falling, the number of poor people is also rising, because it means that jobs are being lost. I can't see how that is spiffy.

WHAAAA that person has more than i do so i want to take it !~!!!! WAAAAHHHHH i'm jealous of others success and i think they should be punnished for it. (what? me help feed homeless at my protest? Why are they taking from me, stupid homess 1% ers)

/jealousy is a biatch

Andromeda: / that and Phoenix Coffee, Tommy's milkshakes, and Great Lakes Brewery

no love for swenson's? although that's a bit south of cleveland.

"Nationwide, the number of tax returns reporting $1 million or more in income dropped by 40 percent to about 236,880 in 2009 from about 392,200 in 2007, according to the IRS. "

I thought only the poor were harmed by recession. Go figure. It's almost as if the OWSers have been lying to us. But that couldn't be...

badhatharry: Take that rich dudes! Now we are all poor!!!

It's not just "the rich". It's the fraud, the bribery, the skating on criminal activity, the usurpation of the government, etc and so on. But you keep thinking it's a "class" issue.

So... fewer tax payers for Ohio?

I guess submitard subscribes from the "cut your nose to spite your face" school of economics.

limboslam: Guess what kids: There's no place on Earth that's a workers' paradise of social justice and equality. Has never existed, doesn't exist and will never exist. Ever. Get over it.

Tell us, how many countries have you lived in other than the US, and how many friends do you maintain relationships with that live in other developed nations?

"Nationwide, the number of tax returns reporting $1 million or more in income dropped by 40 percent to about 236,880 in 2009 from about 392,200 in 2007, according to the IRS. "


But true rich people know how to NOT show their income on their tax returns. Silly Ohioans don't know this???

CapnBlues

this whole thing about millionaires wanting to live where taxes are low? there's not a lot of empirical support for it. States like Michigan have tried lowering taxes and creating a business-friendly environment, but when it comes down to it, rich people want to live where there is cool stuff going on, like industry, culture, and awesome restaurants. 8% sales tax in the state of NY, and I don't even know what the taxes in NYC are like, but millionaires flock there because there are a lot of people, a lot of schools, and a lot of cutting-edge restaurants and culture. You can do this in your own state, but it doesn't work if you keep cutting funding to the arts and education.

Just think about it a little, libertarians and republicans. Just consider that free markets aren't solely about tax rates and regulations. It's a lot more complicated than that, and sometimes you need to create a climate that's friendly to more than just billionaire energy magnates.

You have it totally backwards. "Cool Stuff" flocks to where the millionaires are located. NYC being financial capital is reason so many millionaires are there. If it moved to the Carolina coast, you would see new "cutting edge" resturants, symphonies would get better, etc. on the Carolina coast.

You only need to earn a little more than $250,000 to be a One Percenter in Ohio

Unless, of course, you are Michael Moore.

CapnBlues: Just think about it a little, libertarians and republicans.

If they did that, they wouldn't be libertarians and republicans.

I don't have time to Google right now, but I guarantee that someone is making the argument that millionaires are either leaving Ohio in droves because of oppressive taxes. Or the wealthy are "going Galt" thanks to the unappreciative parasites known as middle-class people.

misanthropic1: limboslam: Guess what kids: There's no place on Earth that's a workers' paradise of social justice and equality. Has never existed, doesn't exist and will never exist. Ever. Get over it.

Tell us, how many countries have you lived in other than the US, and how many friends do you maintain relationships with that live in other developed nations?

What the worker's paradise of France looks like



What the worker's paradise of Greece looks like



What the worker's paradise of the UK looks like:




/b-b-b-but Sweden/Denmark/other nordic country!
//have fun trying to move and live there if you're not a white woman - those systems only work due to racism
///most of Europe does not look like what you saw on your Eurail trip after college
////if you are not a white woman, Canada is the only show in town - and they don't take kindly to hipster rioters

Again? i thought Biden said 200,000 during the first two months after the election, and Obama backed him up on it despite the fact it was 250,000. They keep fluctuating.

limboslam: Guess what kids: There's no place on Earth that's a workers' paradise of social justice and equality. Has never existed, doesn't exist and will never exist. Ever. Get over it.

People said the same of democracy.
I'd also point out that they have in certain places in certain times and that doesn't make it a goal not worth striving for.
Scandinavia and modern Western Europe are also pretty damn close.

beta_plus: misanthropic1: limboslam: Guess what kids: There's no place on Earth that's a workers' paradise of social justice and equality. Has never existed, doesn't exist and will never exist. Ever. Get over it.

Tell us, how many countries have you lived in other than the US, and how many friends do you maintain relationships with that live in other developed nations?

What the worker's paradise of France looks like

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What the worker's paradise of Greece looks like

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What the worker's paradise of the UK looks like:

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/b-b-b-but Sweden/Denmark/other nordic country!
//have fun trying to move and live there if you're not a white woman - those systems only work due to racism
///most of Europe does not look like what you saw on your Eurail trip after college
////if you are not a white woman, Canada is the only show in town - and they don't take kindly to hipster rioters

I lived in Australia for 7 years, but thanks for playing.

/the average American quality of life sucks, one would think you would know this, being as worldly as you purport to be

The very very rich are not harmed appreciably by an economic down turn typically. In the cases of my extended family in Ohio we are seeing a number of millionaires somewhat to be expected becoming not millionaires. After the end of middle and upper middle class adulthood they were millionaires though not by huge margins, A large house in Ohio with a 2006-2007 value of around 250,000, a smaller vacation home (to be winter/retirement home on the gulf coast, in the southwest or the Carolinas with a 2006-2007 value of 150,000, tend to be common assets among my older family members. Put in a stock portfolio worth about 300,000 to 500,000 in 2007 a couple of newer model cars, an annuity or two, and some other sundries and you realize why gosh darn I'm a millionaire, (assets owned0 over one million.) In fact this was a big discussion topic around the time I was 15 in the late 90's for Christmas/Thanksgiving the year my grandfather passed on one side and my grandmother on the other people, were somewhat discussing retirement/long term plans and adding things up. Now that many of them are a few years into retirement, and with the real estate market taking a significant down turn alot of them are no longer over a million as those houses in the south have lost 25% and you've lots 10 to 15% off of the Ohio houses. The stock portfolios lost up to 35% and have probably rebounded to about 15 to 20% off of that peak with some deductions, as these couples have retired or semi-retired.

What I'm seeing hurting things a lot is that my generation, doesn't seem to have the same opportunities that the baby-boom cohorts did. I'm a border baby between x and y (spring 1982) and to this point I have been roughly economically knocked back every time I seem to get some measure of social or economic success. So of it is my fault but industries collapsing under me twice as well as stock market bubbles and labor strikes are beyond my control utterly. I hope to be a successful adult able to give my children what they want and need to get ahead in life in my mid 30's but at this point where I currently am I see a big struggle especially compared with the amount I work compared with a similar demographic of my parents and aunts and uncles at my age. My significant other and myself work between us over 100 hours per week to have assets similar to what my parents had at my age. When I remember back to my parents roughly 7 years older than myself they were working between them around 70 hours per week. They are also tell me and other family members of my generation that we work to much and they were working about 50 hours per week between them in the late 70's early 80's to own a house two cars, food clothing and entertainment. That seems very hard on a full time and a part time job in today's environment.

beta_plus: What the worker's paradise of France looks like

A country that takes care better of its citizens than America. Riots that broke out because of unrelated issues (French racism and law enforcement harassment towards immigrants, a very Republican idea), Islamist extremism.

beta_plus: What the worker's paradise of Greece looks like

A country not being touted for the ideal, and a policeman on fire who probably provoked it.
beta_plus: What the worker's paradise of the UK looks like:

A country that treats its citizens better than the US. A riot over an unprovoked police murder.

JackieRabbit: Spiffy? You do know, don't you Subby, that if the number of millionaires in Ohio is falling, the number of poor people is also rising, because it means that jobs are being lost. I can't see how that is spiffy.

Thank people like John Kasich. He promised to bring back jobs, but all we have to show for it is a high job-loss ranking, a pattern-legislation bill that Kasich wants to ram-rod through(SB5), and a bunch of cash going to his friends (JobsOhio). This is not new to Ohioans, for they act accordingly to someone like the current occupier of the Governor's seat.

America as a whole has 40% less $million/year earners. Ohio has 43% less. I'm doubtful that that difference is even statistically significant.

Ohio statistics mirror national statistics. news at eleven.

Joe Blowme: WHAAAA that person has more than i do so i want to take it !~!!!! WAAAAHHHHH i'm jealous of others success and i think they should be punnished for it. (what? me help feed homeless at my protest? Why are they taking from me, stupid homess 1% ers)

/jealousy is a biatch

WHAAA I only made $100 million last year shuffling papers around on Wall Street and not creating or contributing anything, and the mean old government taxed that income at 15%, which is the same rate that a person making $10,000/yr. pays!!! WAAAAHHHH give me a tax cut or I won't create any more jobs!! (Not that I created any anyways, but who knows, maybe someday I will.)

misanthropic1: beta_plus: misanthropic1: limboslam: Guess what kids: There's no place on Earth that's a workers' paradise of social justice and equality. Has never existed, doesn't exist and will never exist. Ever. Get over it.

Tell us, how many countries have you lived in other than the US, and how many friends do you maintain relationships with that live in other developed nations?

What the worker's paradise of France looks like

[radgeek.com image 200x347]

What the worker's paradise of Greece looks like

[www.survival-spot.com image 450x284]

What the worker's paradise of the UK looks like:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x396]


/b-b-b-but Sweden/Denmark/other nordic country!
//have fun trying to move and live there if you're not a white woman - those systems only work due to racism
///most of Europe does not look like what you saw on your Eurail trip after college
////if you are not a white woman, Canada is the only show in town - and they don't take kindly to hipster rioters

I lived in Australia for 7 years, but thanks for playing.

/the average American quality of life sucks, one would think you would know this, being as worldly as you purport to be

What the workers paradise of australia looks like:



/nice try - thanks for playing
//because spending a year in Edgecliffe while eating vegemite sandwiches really makes you insightful into Australia

So...judging from the comments, it looks like no one actually read the article?

Hint: It's about how nationwide declines in income following the recession (2009) reduced the number of millionaires in Ohio (at a number very slightly higher than the national average). It has nothing to do with tax rates.

Nabb1: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you seem to have a dislike for cops. Hey, we've got problems with the police in New Orleans. Maybe you should come down here and set some on fire since that seems to be your thing.

Or you could look into the background of what caused the tensions that started the riots.
Greece jumped on the riot train back in 2008 and it wasn't because of austerity immediately.
UK riots were because of an unprovoked police murder and because a woman was attacked by a cop at an anti-police brutality demonstration.

thurstonxhowell: America as a whole has 40% less $million/year earners. Ohio has 43% less. I'm doubtful that that difference is even statistically significant.

FEWER GODDAMNIT!


/I feel better