impaler: One can't credibly claim to be a scientist and a skeptic because they are diametrically opposed to each other.

LOL wut?

The scientific method is to observe, create hypothesis, then try to confirm hypothesis through further observation and experimentation. Then to continually refine and test, and demand reproducible results from other experimenters. It is skepticism personified.

Scierntists are the Keepers of the Temple of Truth

WTF is this shiat?

Clearly the only avenue left to us is to believe that aliens gave Meiers this information.

Of course, in the history of humanity, there have been many accurate prophets, and statistically speaking this makes perfect sense: given enough time and enough prophets there will be one prophet for whom everything that s/he has written about the future is 100% accurate.

Dinobot: billy meiers? isnt that the dude with just one hand and that lived in some farm/ranch?

No man, Billy Meiers is the bearded dude on all those infomercials and died of AIDS last year.

Actually I do agree with the statement made in the article about how scientists can not be skeptics. Over the years we've had several instances where a scientist (usually a biblical "scholar" or "archaeologist") would hide or destroy evidence found. I'd have to look it up but one of the major ones was found decades after the fact where the "scientist" hid the evidence that went against his pet theory in a drawer; later to be found and placed in a museum after his death.

Plus you can look at physics today where there are camps on various issues such as time travel, faster than light travel, string theory, etc.

PC LOAD LETTER: bulok: Dinobot: billy meiers? isnt that the dude with just one hand and that lived in some farm/ranch?

No man, Billy Meiers is the bearded dude on all those infomercials and died of AIDS last year.

No no, Billy Meiers is that 80's guitarist whose son committed suicide a while back.

No, Billy Meiers is that middle-aged chick in the 90s with the pop song about burning down her childhood home.

Ahem... PRWEB.COM newswire. Are we really going to take this seriously?

So... Is this true? If it's true, how does the number of right guesses stack against wrong guesses?

I could make a guess that Io was volcanic based on it's yellow color in the telescopes.
1)Moons are rocky.
2)Sulfur is yellow.
3)A moon covered with yellow rocks might have a lot of sulfur on the surface.
4)Sulfur on Io might be deposited by volcanic activity.

Thus we have a hypothesis derived from the yellow color of a moon, information available before any space probes without needing aliens.

yogaFLAME: jonny_q: PC LOAD LETTER: bulok: Dinobot: billy meiers? isnt that the dude with just one hand and that lived in some farm/ranch?

No man, Billy Meiers is the bearded dude on all those infomercials and died of AIDS last year.

No no, Billy Meiers is that 80's guitarist whose son committed suicide a while back.

No, Billy Meiers is that middle-aged chick in the 90s with the pop song about burning down her childhood home.

Nah, Billy Meiers had a painting program on PBS and a glorious afro.

No dude, Billy Meiers is the Weekend News anchor on SNL.

"Skeptics, by definition, enter the discussion with prejudice and preconceived beliefs

Bullshiat, that's not the definition of a skeptic. WTF is this crap?

F42: "Skeptics, by definition, enter the discussion with prejudice and preconceived beliefs

Yeah, total bullshiat. I'm a skeptic and I know this shiat isn't true because I don't trust UFO people. Like a scientist.

F42: "Skeptics, by definition, enter the discussion with prejudice and preconceived beliefs

Bullshiat, that's not the definition of a skeptic. WTF is this crap?

In this case they are referring to what is called dogmatic skepticism.

impaler: One can't credibly claim to be a scientist and a skeptic because they are diametrically opposed to each other.

LOL wut?

The scientific method is to observe, create hypothesis, then try to confirm hypothesis through further observation and experimentation. Then to continually refine and test, and demand reproducible results from other experimenters. It is skepticism personified.

you confuse the scientific process with the scientist.

Kirk's_Toupee: you confuse the scientific process with the scientist.

Skeptics don't accept things without proof.
Science doesn't accept things without proof.

Checkmate.

deadcrickets: Actually I do agree with the statement made in the article about how scientists can not be skeptics. Over the years we've had several instances where a scientist (usually a biblical "scholar" or "archaeologist") would hide or destroy evidence found. I'd have to look it up but one of the major ones was found decades after the fact where the "scientist" hid the evidence that went against his pet theory in a drawer; later to be found and placed in a museum after his death.

Plus you can look at physics today where there are camps on various issues such as time travel, faster than light travel, string theory, etc.

Steady State.

He had a name. His name was Billy Meiers.

Things websites need to stop doing:

#23) auto detecting that you are coming from a mobile ip, then redirecting you to the mobile home page instead of the mobile article. Either stop detecting me or redirect me to the article I clicked on.

/had to click the link. Click desktop site. Close page. Return to fark and click link.
//and that doesn't always work on all sites.

Blind squirrel, nut, etc.

So, in effect, he is saying we were too stupid to do all those things on our own. We could not of done it, without help. We were a bunch of stupid, dumb idiots back then. Too stupid to pile a bunch of rocks in the shape of a pyramid.

danwiseman: Kirk's_Toupee: you confuse the scientific process with the scientist.

Skeptics don't accept things without proof.
Science doesn't accept things without proof.

Checkmate.

Not exactly true. Some of the biggest theories out there, such as the Big Bang, were postulated and accepted well before the evidence began to trickle in. See also Unified Theory.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

MadMattressMack: Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

This. Thousands and thousands of people make bizarre claims. This has been going on since the dawn of mankind. One was bound to be right eventually.

But, oh no, now this means aliens are realz!!!

Came for the Ancient Aliens guy.

/leaving satisfied

The guy who created those cool Civilization games did this?

impaler: One can't credibly claim to be a scientist and a skeptic because they are diametrically opposed to each other.

LOL wut?

The scientific method is to observe, create hypothesis, then try to confirm hypothesis through further observation and experimentation. Then to continually refine and test, and demand reproducible results from other experimenters. It is skepticism personified.

No. Skepticism is where the person will not believe what the data says. No matter what. Science has too many skeptics these days.

danwiseman: Kirk's_Toupee: you confuse the scientific process with the scientist.

Skeptics don't accept things without proof.
Science doesn't accept things without proof.

Checkmate.

A skeptic will not accept proof. You are confused.

ArcadianRefugee: MadMattressMack: Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

This. Thousands and thousands of people make bizarre claims. This has been going on since the dawn of mankind. One was bound to be right eventually.

But, oh no, now this means aliens are realz!!!

Prove that they aren't?

simply not enough prophecy in astro-physics these days...

I dunno, I'm more convinced by the whole Clarke + Iapetus thing.

impaler: deadcrickets: Not exactly true. Some of the biggest theories out there, such as the Big Bang, were postulated and accepted well before the evidence began to trickle in.

Ah, nope.

The Big Bang theory developed from observations of the structure of the Universe and from theoretical considerations. In 1912 Vesto Slipher measured the first Doppler shift of a "spiral nebula"... and soon discovered that almost all such nebulae were receding from Earth... Ten years later, Alexander Friedmann, a Russian cosmologist and mathematician, derived the Friedmann equations from Albert Einstein's equations of general relativity, showing that the Universe might be expanding in contrast to the static Universe model advocated by Einstein at that time... Georges Lemaître, a Belgian physicist and Roman Catholic priest, proposed that the inferred recession of the nebulae was due to the expansion of the Universe...

In 1931 Lemaître went further and suggested that the evident expansion of the universe, if projected back in time, meant that the further in the past the smaller the universe was, until at some finite time in the past all the mass of the Universe was concentrated into a single point, a "primeval atom" where and when the fabric of time and space came into existence...

During the 1930s other ideas were proposed as non-standard cosmologies to explain Hubble's observations, including the Milne model,[22] the oscillatory Universe (originally suggested by Friedmann, but advocated by Albert Einstein and Richard Tolman)[23] and Fritz Zwicky's tired light hypothesis.[24]

After World War II, two distinct possibilities emerged. One was Fred Hoyle's steady state model, whereby new matter would be created as the Universe seemed to expand. In this model, the Universe is roughly the same at any point in time.[25] The other was Lemaître's Big Bang theory,[notes 1] advocated and developed by George Gamow, who introduced big bang nucleosynthesis (BBN)[26] and whose associates, Ralph Alpher and Robert Herman, predicted the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB).[27] Ironically, it was Hoyle who coined the phrase that came to be applied to Lemaître's theory, referring to it as "this big bang idea" during a BBC Radio broadcast in March 1949.[28][notes 2] For a while, support was split between these two theories. Eventually, the observational evidence, most notably from radio source counts, began to favor Big Bang over Steady State. The discovery and confirmation of the cosmic microwave background radiation in 1964[29] secured the Big Bang as the best theory of the origin and evolution of the cosmos. Much of the current work in cosmology includes understanding how galaxies form in the context of the Big Bang, understanding the physics of the Universe at earlier and earlier times, and reconciling observations with the basic theory.

Just finished 'About Time' by Adam Frank...provides a nice history of cosmology and how it evolved with technology and civilization...I thought it was a good read.

MyNameIsMofuga: yogaFLAME: jonny_q: PC LOAD LETTER: bulok: Dinobot: billy meiers? isnt that the dude with just one hand and that lived in some farm/ranch?

No man, Billy Meiers is the bearded dude on all those infomercials and died of AIDS last year.

No no, Billy Meiers is that 80's guitarist whose son committed suicide a while back.

No, Billy Meiers is that middle-aged chick in the 90s with the pop song about burning down her childhood home.

Nah, Billy Meiers had a painting program on PBS and a glorious afro.

No dude, Billy Meiers is the Weekend News anchor on SNL.

No way dudes, Billy Meiers is that guy from the 80s who sang Stroke Me.

TJT: MyNameIsMofuga: yogaFLAME: jonny_q: PC LOAD LETTER: bulok: Dinobot: billy meiers? isnt that the dude with just one hand and that lived in some farm/ranch?

No man, Billy Meiers is the bearded dude on all those infomercials and died of AIDS last year.

No no, Billy Meiers is that 80's guitarist whose son committed suicide a while back.

No, Billy Meiers is that middle-aged chick in the 90s with the pop song about burning down her childhood home.

Nah, Billy Meiers had a painting program on PBS and a glorious afro.

No dude, Billy Meiers is the Weekend News anchor on SNL.

No way dudes, Billy Meiers is that guy from the 80s who sang Stroke Me.

NO MON, Clarence Carter was the old guy that sang I be Strokin'.

MyNameIsMofuga: TJT: MyNameIsMofuga: yogaFLAME: jonny_q: PC LOAD LETTER: bulok: Dinobot: billy meiers? isnt that the dude with just one hand and that lived in some farm/ranch?

No man, Billy Meiers is the bearded dude on all those infomercials and died of AIDS last year.

No no, Billy Meiers is that 80's guitarist whose son committed suicide a while back.

No, Billy Meiers is that middle-aged chick in the 90s with the pop song about burning down her childhood home.

Nah, Billy Meiers had a painting program on PBS and a glorious afro.

No dude, Billy Meiers is the Weekend News anchor on SNL.

No way dudes, Billy Meiers is that guy from the 80s who sang Stroke Me.

NO MON, Clarence Carter was the old guy that sang I be Strokin'.

No guys, Clarence Carter is the Basketball coach who locked his team out of the gym, Billy Meiers is that atheist comedian on HBO

killabite: MyNameIsMofuga: TJT: MyNameIsMofuga: yogaFLAME: jonny_q: PC LOAD LETTER: bulok: Dinobot: billy meiers? isnt that the dude with just one hand and that lived in some farm/ranch?

No man, Billy Meiers is the bearded dude on all those infomercials and died of AIDS last year.

No no, Billy Meiers is that 80's guitarist whose son committed suicide a while back.

No, Billy Meiers is that middle-aged chick in the 90s with the pop song about burning down her childhood home.

Nah, Billy Meiers had a painting program on PBS and a glorious afro.

No dude, Billy Meiers is the Weekend News anchor on SNL.

No way dudes, Billy Meiers is that guy from the 80s who sang Stroke Me.

NO MON, Clarence Carter was the old guy that sang I be Strokin'.

No guys, Clarence Carter is the Basketball coach who locked his team out of the gym, Billy Meiers is that atheist comedian on HBO

no Clarence Carter was the guy who did tae bo commercials, Billy Meiers is the bad guy from short circuit

godofatheist: killabite: MyNameIsMofuga: TJT: MyNameIsMofuga: yogaFLAME: jonny_q: PC LOAD LETTER: bulok: Dinobot: billy meiers? isnt that the dude with just one hand and that lived in some farm/ranch?

No man, Billy Meiers is the bearded dude on all those infomercials and died of AIDS last year.

No no, Billy Meiers is that 80's guitarist whose son committed suicide a while back.

No, Billy Meiers is that middle-aged chick in the 90s with the pop song about burning down her childhood home.

Nah, Billy Meiers had a painting program on PBS and a glorious afro.

No dude, Billy Meiers is the Weekend News anchor on SNL.

No way dudes, Billy Meiers is that guy from the 80s who sang Stroke Me.

NO MON, Clarence Carter was the old guy that sang I be Strokin'.

No guys, Clarence Carter is the Basketball coach who locked his team out of the gym, Billy Meiers is that atheist comedian on HBO

no Clarence Carter was the guy who did tae bo commercials, Billy Meiers is the bad guy from short circuit

No guys Clarence Thomas was the Supreme Court Justice that wanted to stick His Oscar Meiers weener into Anita Hill.

danwiseman: Kirk's_Toupee: you confuse the scientific process with the scientist.

Skeptics don't accept things without proof.
Science doesn't accept things without proof.

Checkmate.

you forgot human psychology. I don't know about you, but humans are not the robots/computers you think they are.

theoretically these things work like that but in reality, not so much.