Good thing climate change is bullshiat.

Can't we just be like Nordstrom's and say the snow doesn't exist until Black Friday?

cretinbob: Good thing climate change is bullshiat.

Years ago we were in a coming ice age. Then it was global warming. Now that that has been proven wrong, they have changed the name to the all inclusive "climate change" so they can minimize their probability of being wrong.

Is there climate change? Sure-it's call seasons.

Is it worse because of manufacturing? Probably not. But if you are a democrat, you have to have a reason to propose extorting $$$ from large manufacturers and utilities.

speaking of Christmas, here is a video to get you ready for it. (new window)

LIke Halloween and Christmas decorations, Snowmageddon coming earlier every year

Halloween decorations have always come during Anytober.

We still don't have power. I missed the Ohio State game because of it

EnviroDude: Then it was global warming. Now that that has been proven wrong, they have changed the name to the all inclusive "climate change" so they can minimize their probability of being wrong.

You do realize the IPCC was created in the late 80s, right? Guess what the CC stands for...

Amishrabbit: Colorado had a foot of snow on Wednesday, and you don't hear us whining and moaning about it, let alone turning a storm into international news, you wussies.

Yeah, Colorado gets a lot of snow. I'm sure you'll be whining that first day of 90 degrees and 90 percent humidity that Florida experiences nearly year-round.

Nick Nostril: Aar1012: We still don't have power. I missed the Ohio State game because of it

You missed one for the ages, brother. I'm still giddy.

/subby's mom got 12 inches last night

Bucky haz a sad.

When I was a kid in Florida, around 11 to 12 yrs old, we had cold winters. Water in bird baths and boats froze, there were fish kills along the Indian River, people left their sprinklers on over night to keep pipes from freezing and turned their lawns and bushes into ice sculptures by morning. Us kids went out the evening before a hard freeze and covered the plants my folks wanted saved with palmetto leafs, towels or old sheets. Ice would sometimes form along the edges of the shallow water in slow running ditches.

Back then, the groves would crank up these huge wind machines to stir up the air over the citrus trees and they'd drone all night. Others would fire up smudge pots and people would be in and out of the area until dawn.

Since we had a well, at least one year the pipes froze and we had to wait until they thawed in the day and I recall picking up a hose early one morning and having it crack from the cold. We scraped ice off our windshields and used to start the cars about 30 minutes before going anywhere to get the heaters working.

Then, it snowed in my town of Vero Beach. I'd never seen snow before. That was in the early 70's. I recall leaving a friends house around 1 am and finding the air full of what appeared to be ash and light drifts on my car. Then I realized it was snow. I made my first and only snowball and smacked my friend with it.

This was through the 50's and early 70's. By the late 60's, the real cold winters had begun to ease up. By the end of the 70's, winter consisted of a handful of real cold days and few frost warnings. By the middle 80's, the tall wind machines in the groves disappeared, smudge pots became a thing of the past and fish kills on the Indian River were rare.

For the past decade, we've run our air conditioners during the winter, turning them off occasionally when the local temperatures dropped into the 60's. The last time I had to thaw pipes was some time in the 80's.

So from around the middle 50's to the 80's, Florida went from having long, real cold winters to mild ones, with occasional freezes.

Global warming? Possibly. I sure as heck noticed the difference here in Florida. I actually miss the cold winters, because I like the cold and hate the hot, humid summers we have that seem to drag on forever.

It used to get cold in late October. By December we were wearing winter coats and firing up the heaters. I recall as kids, Christmas was always quite cold. I delivered papers in the 70's and recall many a freezing night where my hands ached from the cold and a couple of times, I brought my papers home, folded them in the warmth of my house, loaded up the car and then took off.

What we have now I don't even consider winter.

The major change I've noticed, aside from the warming up, is that when we do have a hard freeze, suddenly various vegetable crops are wiped out and the prices in the stores go up. Odd how that never seemed to happen in the 50's and 60's, when we had even more farm land. By the middle 70's, it seemed that, especially in the northern states, companies which provided fuel oil for heat could never manage to accumulate enough and the costs soared and reports of folks freezing to death in their homes started showing up.

Here in Florida, by the 80's, the cost of propane gas, used for heating, always wound up nearly doubling in price for winter -- but, then again, so did the power bills.

So, actually, 'early winter' seems to me like things might be going back to 'normal'.

As for Global Warming, the population has more than tripled since the 1950's across the globe and industrialization has spread far and wide. I would expect this to have some negative effect on the climate.

In my town alone, more than 3/4 of the undeveloped land is now developed. The amount of cars on the local roads has more than quadrupled. Huge tracts of old growth forests have been plowed down and hundreds of miles of new paved roads have popped up. The most noticeable thing is that we went from 0 air pollution to mild to medium levels.

Plus, the Indian River went from having huge stocks of tasty fish, to now requiring fishing limits and conservation efforts.

I figure all of the development has changed the heat signature for the town tremendously.

cryinoutloud: EnviroDude:
Years ago we were in a coming ice age. Then it was global warming. Now that that has been proven wrong, they have changed the name to the all inclusive "climate change" so they can minimize their probability of being wrong.
Is there climate change? Sure-it's call seasons.
Is it worse because of manufacturing? Probably not. But if you are a democrat, you have to have a reason to propose extorting $$$ from large manufacturers and utilities.

What a dumbass. I'm not even going to waste my time refuting any of that. Way past time I put you on ignore, ENVIRO-dude. That's a joke, right? Do you even know what "environment" means?

You can put me on iggynore all you want. What you are ignoring is the political agenda of those seeing global climate change as a way to tax industry and manufacturing.

see ya later. when your spawn looks for a job as a mechanical engineer, tell them to learn how to run a deep fryer so that they can land a job at mcdonalds because power plants/pipelines/refineries will have all moved out of the US thanks to the EPA crap science and illegal rules.

/been an environmental consultant since 1989. I have personally completed 100's of permit applications, remediated millions of pounds of contaminated soils and water, incinerated millions of pounds of hazardous materials.

What do you do for the environment? Drive a prius?

EnviroDude: cryinoutloud: EnviroDude:
Years ago we were in a coming ice age. Then it was global warming. Now that that has been proven wrong, they have changed the name to the all inclusive "climate change" so they can minimize their probability of being wrong.
Is there climate change? Sure-it's call seasons.
Is it worse because of manufacturing? Probably not. But if you are a democrat, you have to have a reason to propose extorting $$$ from large manufacturers and utilities.

What a dumbass. I'm not even going to waste my time refuting any of that. Way past time I put you on ignore, ENVIRO-dude. That's a joke, right? Do you even know what "environment" means?

You can put me on iggynore all you want. What you are ignoring is the political agenda of those seeing global climate change as a way to tax industry and manufacturing.

see ya later. when your spawn looks for a job as a mechanical engineer, tell them to learn how to run a deep fryer so that they can land a job at mcdonalds because power plants/pipelines/refineries will have all moved out of the US thanks to the EPA crap science and illegal rules.

/been an environmental consultant since 1989. I have personally completed 100's of permit applications, remediated millions of pounds of contaminated soils and water, incinerated millions of pounds of hazardous materials.

What do you do for the environment? Drive a prius?

You went to P.R. and personally incinerated millions of pounds of HazMat? Do tell where the rotating kiln is in P.R..

EnviroDude: cretinbob: Good thing climate change is bullshiat.

Years ago we were in a coming ice age. Then it was global warming. Now that that has been proven wrong, they have changed the name to the all inclusive "climate change" so they can minimize their probability of being wrong.

Is there climate change? Sure-it's call seasons.

Is it worse because of manufacturing? Probably not. But if you are a democrat, you have to have a reason to propose extorting $$$ from large manufacturers and utilities.

It was always climate change, except in the media. The fact that global warming can cause an ice age just confuses the piss out of people too.
So there's that.

72 and sunny in SF today. 50s tonight. Clear and breezy forecast for the week. Normal SF weather for this time of year. Might get rainy around Thanksgiving.

People_are_Idiots: And yet the wusses in the North acted all huffy when Texas was shut down for nearly a week last year due to untold ice and snow (for the area). Now the Northeast gets a taste.

What does your post have to do with anything?