Cigarettes are like a neon sign that says, "Hey, look at me, I'm an farking idiot."

Just let them try and stop me from farting. I dare 'em.

jenlen: Kit Fister: jehovahs witness protection: Kazan: ah sweet sweet smoker tears. keep telling yourself that emitting toxic chemicals into the air only affects you. you egotistical dimwits.

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You are now banned from driving or being a passenger in ANY vehicle because I don't like the smell of exhaust. These roads don't belong to you, they belong to the PEOPLE.

You are also banned from ever painting anything with spray paints, or using any chemical solvents to clean anything...

Yeah and no more electricity for you. I don't like all the carcinogens and nitrous emissions from the coal-fired power plants.

Oh and I don't like the cologne/perfume you wear. Banned, too.

In fact just stop eating, you might fart and I don't want to smell it.

There, all better now!

This.

I don't have a huge problem if publicly-owned housing bans smoking in their properties. Makes sense that the gov't wouldn't want the hassle of having to deal with nicotine residue.

However, if a private landlord wants to allow smoking, it's no business of any level of government at all.

jenlen: FTA:

On the other side, Ingrid "Chris" Sims has had to endure smoke in her Stanley Terrace public housing apartment in Deerfield Beach for the past 16 years
"It's coming into my bathroom mostly. I have to close the vent and tape it up," Sims said. "My neighbor smokes really bad and even through the tape it comes through."

Bullshiat! The only problem there is between her ears.

Speaking as someone who had lived in public housing, that's not absurd at all. Ever once in a while, I would get a good whiff of tobacco, and only God knew where it came from.

Of course, unlike "Chris," I didn't give a shiat.

So this is a new housing stimulus... you only get rights if you own a home. Cool.

When will we have freedom of choice of what to smoke in our own homes?

Ban smoking? Not on Herb Cain's watch.

Your home is your castle except if you want to smoke


...for certain definitions of "Home" where home does not imply you are the exclusive legal owner of the property.

Notice that the rights outlined by Congrefs in this document are all about the government being a dick to you. Nothing there giving you the right to be a dick to your fellow citizens. Sorry. Go live amongst people who are all about cigarette smoke.

Kit Fister: jehovahs witness protection: Kazan: ah sweet sweet smoker tears. keep telling yourself that emitting toxic chemicals into the air only affects you. you egotistical dimwits.

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You are now banned from driving or being a passenger in ANY vehicle because I don't like the smell of exhaust. These roads don't belong to you, they belong to the PEOPLE.

You are also banned from ever painting anything with spray paints, or using any chemical solvents to clean anything...

Why would the spray paint and solvent thing be bad? We need some solvents in cleaners but hardly the wonderful bouquet we use now.

A quick note to Ernestine Gray, the woman in the article laboring under the notion that smoking is a *choice*. Sorry, it's not. It's an addiction.

And a very smelly one, at that. Still, I'd bet that a good number of smokers would set about giving it all up if only they had some idea of just how bad their habit makes them, and everything they own, smell.

Unless you have paid your mortgage in full the bank owns your property, you rent-to-own much like those ghetto ass businesses that rent furniture.... They will call you a home"owner" for tax purposes though.

Bought a house for just this reason. Lived in 3 apartments before buying. Got tired of A holes that smoke, cook stinky food everyday, and walk like an elephant on the floors (its mainly the skinny people that do that). Still there are issues, cause half of the people in the world are inconsiderate a holes, but at least it is not a every day thing now.

This is what I think of every time I see someone smoking.

Next target: fatties.


They are coming for you, bovine citizen.

I have so major news. It's gonna blow your mind. I hope you non-smokers are ready cause it's big news. I hope your argument can stand up to it.


NON-SMOKERS DIE EVERYDAY!




/ didn't die from lung cancer

Where is the I'm Ok With This image when you need it.

middlewaytao: Unless you have paid your mortgage in full the bank owns your property, you rent-to-own much like those ghetto ass businesses that rent furniture.... They will call you a home"owner" for tax purposes though.

Stop paying your property taxes and see how much of a home "owner" you are. Everybody rents.

I don't believe that the issue is specifically with smoking in apartments, but rather, that the quality of most apartments in the US is so bad, that odors can move from one unit to another.

I had friends who used to live next to a Korean family. Very nice people, but they ate a lot of pickled foods and the stench would make you gag. The smell would come through the apartment walls as if they were paper. Another friend lived next to a geriatric woman and you could smell this sick mixture of strong perfume and death through the walls. At least we joked that it wouldn't take many days to know if she had died in there.

Most apartments seem to be wood framing, OSB plywood, fiberglass insulation, vapor barriers on the exterior walls and cheap gypsum board. Common walls between the units, which most likely do not have vapor barriers. It sure as fark isn't enough to block sound or smell.

what_now: Are you people offended when an apartment complex doesn't allow pets? Because this is the same thing.

That's not the same thing. My next door neighbors pet isn't going to give me cancer.

Sorry smokers, but your smoke does travel. Us non-smokers (and ex-smokers) don't want to smell it. Go indulge in your self-destructive habit away from other people.

As a non-smoker. I hate you non-smokers.

what_now: Do you own the building? If so, you can so whatever you want. If you don't own the building, you need to abide by the rules set forth by the owner.

This isn't hard. If you want to smoke/have a cat/paint the walls purple in your apartment, find one that allows those things.

Best/worst example. I knew someone who bought a townhome...the 4 or 5 townhomes each had a basement with a sump pump...but the foundation was shared. The co-worker didn't find out about the shared foundation until he was wondering why his sump pump was always pumping. It turned out that the other tenants figured this out, and unplugged their own pumps to save on electricity, letting my coworker handle all of the "keep the basements dry" activities for the entire complex. IIRC, he asked his lawyer what would happen if he turned off sump pump, too, apparently if it became known that whatever flooding that would've occurred due that action, there's a good chance he would be come liable for it, since this was an accidental mistake, but an act out of teaching someone a lesson.

Im not really sure how it turned out in the end, but it is an interesting "tragedy of the commons" problem versus "a man's home is his castle".

biglot: A quick note to Ernestine Gray, the woman in the article laboring under the notion that smoking is a *choice*. Sorry, it's not. It's an addiction.

And a very smelly one, at that. Still, I'd bet that a good number of smokers would set about giving it all up if only they had some idea of just how bad their habit makes them, and everything they own, smell.

Um...it's a choice. I choose to light up a cigarette when I want to. Nobody is going to tell me otherwise either. So what if it offends you. I could care less. I'm not going to stop smoking because it's going to make you happy.