He then gestured to his anus and said, "this is where your tax dollars go".

Article about these ICE agents getting severely punished with a month of paid vacation in 3, 2....

/you wonder why they call you pig

Huh. All that comes out of my balls is jizz.

Sue his balls off!

FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.

Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

God didn't give rights to me. Society gives me rights.

GonadtheBarbarian:

Detective scrotes....lol

flamingboard: Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

God didn't give rights to me. Society gives me rights.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

Funny how liberals ( I know this is an assumption, play along) invoke "God" only in reference to human rights.

So kick him in the balls until the warrant comes out.

casual disregard: Blue balls is a farking lie. Any dude suffering from blue balls doesn't know how to masturbate.

I see you're married too.

flamingboard: God didn't give rights to me. Society gives me rights.

Nope. The rights you have are inherent in you as a human being. Society (and their expression via governments) can take them away sure, but they cannot give them, only recognize them.

Clete Orris: Therein lies the problem.

It needs to be that way though. Otherwise that whole presumption of innocence thing is shiat. "Oh, we thought he was a non-citizen" ... "...oh we thought he was a terrorist..."

etc.

Probably gonna bite me in the ass, but I got into an argument with some BP agents while on a job. The agents were doing the normal things like talking about commute times.

The agent mentioned that he lived in Phoenix and commuted about an hour to our location. A normal commute would be 2 hrs at 75mph. When asked what happens when he is pulled over, he looked confused and pulled his credentials out. Explaining that they let him go anywhere and do anything. He also went on about the special lack of searches he dealt with at the airport.

A lot if these guys are poorly educated about how much their actions impact the rights of others, and have a world view that whatever they do is right because they are the government.

These are good people for the most part, and that's why it's scary. They aren't getting off on abusing authority, they genuinly don't think what they are doing can be wrong. That's the real obstacle we have to overcome. No one reforms if they don't know they need to reform in the first place.

flamingboard: Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

God didn't give rights to me. Society gives me rights.


Government/society cannot "give" you rights.

They can only acknowledge your rights, or take them away.

I want to have deviant sex with your butthole: Clete Orris: Therein lies the problem.

It needs to be that way though. Otherwise that whole presumption of innocence thing is shiat. "Oh, we thought he was a non-citizen" ... "...oh we thought he was a terrorist..."

etc.

normally, I'd agree with you. the whole "thinking" thing is vastly overused and not good enough. however, if there is proof of non-citizenship, then all bets should be off.

Amos Quito: flamingboard: Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

God didn't give rights to me. Society gives me rights.


Government/society cannot "give" you rights.

They can only acknowledge your rights, or take them away.

Precisely my argument. If a government takes my rights away, then I don't have them... duh.

cameroncrazy1984: Clete Orris: Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

Funny how liberals ( I know this is an assumption, play along) invoke "God" only in reference to human rights.

This just in, not all liberals are godless commies.

This also just in, not all godless liberals are commies.

Ryker's Peninsula: So kick him in the balls until the warrant comes out.


And if at first you don't succeed, call in a team of ball-kicking specialists.

/We'll find that goddamn warrant

Clete Orris: Amos Quito: flamingboard: Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

God didn't give rights to me. Society gives me rights.


Government/society cannot "give" you rights.

They can only acknowledge your rights, or take them away.

Precisely my argument. If a government takes my rights away, then I don't have them... duh.


And now you may see the wisdom of those that crafted the Second Amendment.

casual disregard: Clete Orris: flamingboard: Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

God didn't give rights to me. Society gives me rights.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Both are wrong.

Rights are automatic. Rights are guaranteed. You have rights because you exist.

The Federal Government merely protects what rights you automatically possess on account of being sapient.

It used to be that way. What about non-US nations? Some of those governments don't guarantee the same rights you "possess simply for being sapient".

casual disregard: Clete Orris: flamingboard: Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

God didn't give rights to me. Society gives me rights.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Both are wrong.

Rights are automatic. Rights are guaranteed. You have rights because you exist.

The Federal Government merely protects what rights you automatically possess on account of being sapient.


That would be nice.

Which Federal Government were you referring to?

Amos Quito: Clete Orris: Amos Quito: flamingboard: Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

God didn't give rights to me. Society gives me rights.


Government/society cannot "give" you rights.

They can only acknowledge your rights, or take them away.

Precisely my argument. If a government takes my rights away, then I don't have them... duh.


And now you may see the wisdom of those that crafted the Second Amendment.

I already saw that wisdom, and bear concealed arms at every opportunity. :-) Because I do not fully trust anyone, including my government.

FTA: "Looking Latino and speaking Spanish is not enough to justify probable cause for questioning and arresting a person" Lindsay Kee, from the ACLU of Tennessee writes in a blog post.




/Clearly, she hasn't been to the real South

I want to have deviant sex with your butthole: Clete Orris: Therein lies the problem.

It needs to be that way though. Otherwise that whole presumption of innocence thing is shiat. "Oh, we thought he was a non-citizen" ... "...oh we thought he was a terrorist..."

etc.

You don't seem to realize he's a conservative. For them, eveything is black and white. Somehow ICE just knows they are non-citizens and they are the police, so they are always right ,all the time. To cons, there really is no reason for courts or warrants. You can somehow magically tell who the "Badguys" are the courts are just a liberal construct to keep the badguys from being punished.

casual disregard: Blue balls is a farking lie. Any dude suffering from blue balls doesn't know how to masturbate.

You never dealt with an inexperienced woman. She came 4 freaking times and was too young (17 or 18) to know to take care of the guy in between. It was an all night affair, so by the time relief came, the ache was there for an hour or two afterward.

The compounding problem is I dropped her off at home in the morning her mom invited me in for breakfast. Trying to remain composed sitting next to a girl you were slightly annoyed at while hiding discomfort next to her mother and trying not to think about how much you just want to get some relief? That was pain.

/can't blame her, she more than made up for it the next day (in the band supply room of all places) and apologized saying she was quite distracted.
//that and she was hotter than anyone else I landed since.
///would have been much hotter had she a clue in the bedroom. (or tent as was the case here)

cool story? Nope. But remembering... Did bring a smile.

Somacandra: Clete Orris: however, if there is proof of non-citizenship, then all bets should be off.

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Uh, this may come as a surprise to you, but there are quite a few taxpayers in the United States who have perfectly legal status but are not citizens. They are just as entitled to Constitutional protections as a citizen is. Just because a person is not a citizen does not mean they are in the country illegally.

/dumbass

fark 'em. Ship them back, too.

TheWizard: casual disregard: Blue balls is a farking lie. Any dude suffering from blue balls doesn't know how to masturbate.

You never dealt with an inexperienced woman. She came 4 freaking times and was too young (17 or 18) to know to take care of the guy in between. It was an all night affair, so by the time relief came, the ache was there for an hour or two afterward.

The compounding problem is I dropped her off at home in the morning her mom invited me in for breakfast. Trying to remain composed sitting next to a girl you were slightly annoyed at while hiding discomfort next to her mother and trying not to think about how much you just want to get some relief? That was pain.

/can't blame her, she more than made up for it the next day (in the band supply room of all places) and apologized saying she was quite distracted.
//that and she was hotter than anyone else I landed since.
///would have been much hotter had she a clue in the bedroom. (or tent as was the case here)

cool story? Nope. But remembering... Did bring a smile.


Ah, breakin' fillies.

It's a tough job, but there is no shortage of volunteers.

casual disregard: Amos Quito: casual disregard: Clete Orris: flamingboard: Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

God didn't give rights to me. Society gives me rights.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Both are wrong.

Rights are automatic. Rights are guaranteed. You have rights because you exist.

The Federal Government merely protects what rights you automatically possess on account of being sapient.


That would be nice.

Which Federal Government were you referring to?

The one for which I work. The one defined by the Constitution (new window)

Far from perfect I will admit. I would not at this time have it any other way. My view is that every human, indeed any sapient (should we ever meet another sapient) has automatic rights. We work to defend those rights, not to constrain them. I fully recognize on a personal level the absurdity of such a statement. We have plenty of vice crimes and victimless crimes that nullify it. Nevertheless, I will continue to believe it and I will continue to endorse it. Jefferson, Paine, and Franklin are my idols.


I applaud your optimistic enthusiasm, but frankly, you sound young and blindly idealistic.

It's a pity that Jefferson, Paine and Franklin don't dictate your orders, evaluate your performance, and sign your paychecks.

thirty five years ago i lived in the USA and wanted to be an American...



AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!



yeah right.

casual disregard: Amos Quito: casual disregard: Amos Quito: casual disregard: Clete Orris: flamingboard: Rich Cream: Clete Orris: FTA: "The ACLU notes on its website that the Fourth Amendment strictly prohibits warrantless intrusions into private homes - and it applies to both citizens and non-citizens."

Therein lies the problem.


God-given rights for humans applies to all humans.

/Is it really that difficult?

God didn't give rights to me. Society gives me rights.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Both are wrong.

Rights are automatic. Rights are guaranteed. You have rights because you exist.

The Federal Government merely protects what rights you automatically possess on account of being sapient.


That would be nice.

Which Federal Government were you referring to?

The one for which I work. The one defined by the Constitution (new window)

Far from perfect I will admit. I would not at this time have it any other way. My view is that every human, indeed any sapient (should we ever meet another sapient) has automatic rights. We work to defend those rights, not to constrain them. I fully recognize on a personal level the absurdity of such a statement. We have plenty of vice crimes and victimless crimes that nullify it. Nevertheless, I will continue to believe it and I will continue to endorse it. Jefferson, Paine, and Franklin are my idols.


I applaud your optimistic enthusiasm, but frankly, you sound young and blindly idealistic.

It's a pity that Jefferson, Paine and Franklin don't dictate your orders, evaluate your performance, and sign your paychecks.

I'm both I will admit. So far my supervisors have been very happy with me even when we disagree. My goal is to end the status quo. Not sure as yet how that will turn out, though.


Again, I applaud your optimistic enthusiasm. Positive change always starts with the individual.

Always.