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2011-10-29 02:04:45 PM
About farking time. I was on a train this spring and they came onto the train and walked through the cars questioning everyone's citizenship. I was tempted at the time to ask them if they were just going to take my word for it, or would they like to see my papers to verify? Someone else told me they got on a Grayhound and had the border patrol come through asking people if they were citizens.

Between these guys and the TSA, it's becoming very oppressive on the travel front. I think after ten years with no further terrorism that wasn't domestic, we can drop this. I'm all for keeping bombs and terrorists off of planes, but you can't sift through everybody forever and get ever more invasive. Cutting open my shampoo bottle is not keeping the world safe for democracy.
 
2011-10-29 02:11:13 PM
It's called the 5th Amendment.
 
2011-10-29 02:36:34 PM
GAT_00: It's called the 5th Amendment.

With the SCOTUS we have right now, nobody has a prayer of having their constitutional rights upheld. All of them are crookeder than a dog's hind leg.
 
2011-10-29 02:58:47 PM
sheilanagig: About farking time. I was on a train this spring and they came onto the train and walked through the cars questioning everyone's citizenship. I was tempted at the time to ask them if they were just going to take my word for it, or would they like to see my papers to verify? Someone else told me they got on a Grayhound and had the border patrol come through asking people if they were citizens.

Between these guys and the TSA, it's becoming very oppressive on the travel front. I think after ten years with no further terrorism that wasn't domestic, we can drop this. I'm all for keeping bombs and terrorists off of planes, but you can't sift through everybody forever and get ever more invasive. Cutting open my shampoo bottle is not keeping the world safe for democracy.


I've been taking buses up to Canada since the 80's (wife runs a ski club) and we've always been questioned by agents at the border who went up and down the bus, the only time I remember us being harassed was when my good friend was taken off the bus and further questioned. His last name was 'Beaudin', his ancestors came from a wealthy family in Quebec Province and they held him him for two hours. Pretty funny expect it made the bus ride that much longer.
/thank god for being able to bring Molson Bradors across the border
 
2011-10-29 03:17:17 PM
AlwaysRightBoy: I've been taking buses up to Canada since the 80's (wife runs a ski club) and we've always been questioned by agents at the border who went up and down the bus, the only time I remember us being harassed was when my good friend was taken off the bus and further questioned. His last name was 'Beaudin', his ancestors came from a wealthy family in Quebec Province and they held him him for two hours. Pretty funny expect it made the bus ride that much longer.
/thank god for being able to bring Molson Bradors across the border


I was traveling within US borders, and so was the person who rode the Grayhound and got checked. For the longest time, checking papers at Canadian border checkpoints was just a formality. That's gotten more difficult too. Forget about international air travel, because then you get scanned intimately and a great deal poorer. Travel is not a pleasant experience anymore, and it's not something that you can do freely.
 
2011-10-29 04:08:32 PM
sheilanagig: Travel is not a pleasant experience anymore,

I don't have an answer for you other than we just have to deal with it. It's not gong to keep me from traveling. I just know getting to whatever destination I'm going to, I just plan accordingly. Big Brother is here
 
2011-10-29 06:04:43 PM
sheilanagig: GAT_00: It's called the 5th Amendment.

With the SCOTUS we have right now, nobody has a prayer of having their constitutional rights upheld. All of them are crookeder than a dog's hind leg.


So much this.
 
2011-10-29 06:32:39 PM
sheilanagig: I was on a train this spring and they came onto the train and walked through the cars questioning everyone's citizenship.

videos.videopress.com

"What the hell did you say to him?"

"I just told him I'd put his name on the Montgomery Ward mailing list."
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-10-29 07:31:47 PM
Do they still run the roadblock on I-89 in central Vermont?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-10-29 07:40:29 PM
I think I meant I-91, not I-89.
 
2011-10-29 09:15:16 PM
I've been checked on a bus not even at the border. In Rochester, NY while the bus was making a stop.
 
2011-10-29 09:15:29 PM
Shawn Moran, vice president of the union that represents agents, was outraged at the changes.

0.tqn.com

/never gets old
 
2011-10-29 09:16:17 PM
fusillade762: sheilanagig: I was on a train this spring and they came onto the train and walked through the cars questioning everyone's citizenship.

[videos.videopress.com image 400x224]

"What the hell did you say to him?"

"I just told him I'd put his name on the Montgomery Ward mailing list."


Because pledging allegiance to a corporation guarantees credibility. They will treat you right.
 
2011-10-29 09:19:03 PM
Transportation checks were considered, on the basis of precedent set by police, to be consensual encounters. Everyone was free to leave, to ignore the border patrol, and they were only allowed on the bus by driver permission.

A "reasonable person who knows their rights" would feel they were consensual encounters.

All true by the letter of the law. I personally think consensual encounters should give more benefit of the doubt to the consenter. Or better yet, eliminate them but mildly increase the scope of a Terry stop to compensate where needed.
 
2011-10-29 09:19:53 PM
I travel to and from Colombia on a regular basis and the extra checking causes maybe a 15 minute delay, really no big deal to me, and it is not going to stop me from traveling.
 
2011-10-29 09:20:41 PM
meh, The only time I've crossed the border via bus was one of the many trips to Canada as a college student on fraternity or ski club trips so we could all drink legally. Most of the time they just come on and ask "is everyone a citizen?" If no one says "no" they just say "ok" and let us move through. One year the US customs just waved us through without even stopping us since the weather was bad and they didn't want to bother with a bunch of college students (a pretty common occurrence at the Detroit border.).
 
2011-10-29 09:20:43 PM
AlwaysRightBoy: I've been taking buses up to Canada since the 80's (wife runs a ski club) and we've always been questioned by agents at the border who went up and down the bus, the only time I remember us being harassed was when my good friend was taken off the bus and further questioned. His last name was 'Beaudin', his ancestors came from a wealthy family in Quebec Province and they held him him for two hours. Pretty funny expect it made the bus ride that much longer.
/thank god for being able to bring Molson Bradors across the border


Do we really care if Canadians come down here and mill about? What are they going to do, pick our vegetables? What's the worst that could happen? If we get tired of them, they'll apologize and leave. It's not like we have any jobs for them to take, and who the fark ever heard of a Canadian terrorist?
 
2011-10-29 09:21:46 PM
well, thats too bad.
 
2011-10-29 09:21:47 PM
sheilanagig: I was traveling within US borders, and so was the person who rode the Grayhound and got checked. For the longest time, checking papers at Canadian border checkpoints was just a formality. That's gotten more difficult too. Forget about international air travel, because then you get scanned intimately and a great deal poorer. Travel is not a pleasant experience anymore, and it's not something that you can do freely.

Um wut? Then stay home you little snowflake. I don't judge my travel experiences by the 10 minutes spent going through a TSA line or the 30 minutes going through a customs line at any international airport.
 
2011-10-29 09:22:25 PM
AlwaysRightBoy: sheilanagig: Travel is not a pleasant experience anymore,

I don't have an answer for you other than we just have to deal with it. It's not gong to keep me from traveling. I just know getting to whatever destination I'm going to, I just plan accordingly. Big Brother is here


If you accept it you're part of the problem. If nobody accepted it, it would cost too much to do.
 
2011-10-29 09:23:47 PM
Longtime Lurker: meh, The only time I've crossed the border via bus was one of the many trips to Canada as a college student on fraternity or ski club trips so we could all drink legally. Most of the time they just come on and ask "is everyone a citizen?" If no one says "no" they just say "ok" and let us move through. One year the US customs just waved us through without even stopping us since the weather was bad and they didn't want to bother with a bunch of college students (a pretty common occurrence at the Detroit border.).

Technically speaking, unless you're that guy Tom Hanks' character was modeled after in The Terminal, isn't everybody a citizen of somewhere? Can't you truthfully answer "yes" to the ambiguous question "Are you a citizen?" no matter what country you are in?
 
2011-10-29 09:24:19 PM
I am pleasantly surprised. Obama keep it up.
 
2011-10-29 09:25:48 PM
Canadians can't go to Detroit or Buffalo now to receive expensive, yet inferior, medical care?
 
2011-10-29 09:29:02 PM
Greyhound.
 
2011-10-29 09:32:02 PM
Smackledorfer: Transportation checks were considered, on the basis of precedent set by police, to be consensual encounters. Everyone was free to leave, to ignore the border patrol, and they were only allowed on the bus by driver permission.

A "reasonable person who knows their rights" would feel they were consensual encounters.

All true by the letter of the law. I personally think consensual encounters should give more benefit of the doubt to the consenter. Or better yet, eliminate them but mildly increase the scope of a Terry stop to compensate where needed.


See United States v. Mendenhall, 446 U.S. 544 (1980)
 
2011-10-29 09:32:14 PM
bravian: Um wut? Then stay home you little snowflake. I don't judge my travel experiences by the 10 minutes spent going through a TSA line or the 30 minutes going through a customs line at any international airport.

Yeah, I'm a crybaby for not feeling like I should have to choose between getting fondled or scanned if I want to travel in a free country? I should just accept getting my luggage rifled through. You might be willing to undergo many indignities to get on a plane, but I don't think you should have to. I don't think that's unreasonable.
 
2011-10-29 09:33:10 PM
Canada's a G7 country, is a founding member of NORAD, is a member of NATO, has banks so stable that people are thinking of making their currency a reserve currency, is the biggest trading partner that the US has --- yes, larger than either Europe or China.

If there's any country the US doesn't need to worry about, it's Canada.

I'm really surprised no Canadian politician has phoned the US to say, "About all these border delays our citizens are complaining about, including the DREs, is there anything you can do to get rid of this nonsense? It's both pointless -- ask the British and Israelis, both of whom with their generations of experience dealing with this sort if thing -- it's also insulting. We're you're farking neighbours.

"Oh, we seem to be having some trouble with our oil pipelines. Yeah, you may notice some service outages..."
 
2011-10-29 09:35:42 PM
Over the Canadian Thanksgiving I took a Greyhound bus to New York City from Toronto to see my brother. The border patrol agents, who I presume failed the entry test to be candidates for mall security, belittled this poor Asian guy's status because he brought some cooking knives with him in his luggage - which was locked in the storage under the bus. When it came to processing everyone through customs, the invasiveness of their attitudes was just pathetic. I guess to them, a white 20-something's cell phone charger is serious business.

If you are a civil rights lawyer looking to build a clientele, simply taking the bus or train across the border and waiting for these douchebags to pounce on someone is a great way to get your foot in the door.

/crossing back into Canada was far more pleasant.
 
2011-10-29 09:38:03 PM
skylabdown: Greyhound.

THIS.
 
2011-10-29 09:38:14 PM
gaslight: Canada's a G7 country, is a founding member of NORAD, is a member of NATO, has banks so stable that people are thinking of making their currency a reserve currency, is the biggest trading partner that the US has --- yes, larger than either Europe or China.

If there's any country the US doesn't need to worry about, it's Canada.

I'm really surprised no Canadian politician has phoned the US to say, "About all these border delays our citizens are complaining about, including the DREs, is there anything you can do to get rid of this nonsense? It's both pointless -- ask the British and Israelis, both of whom with their generations of experience dealing with this sort if thing -- it's also insulting. We're you're farking neighbours.

"Oh, we seem to be having some trouble with our oil pipelines. Yeah, you may notice some service outages..."


I would even vote for Harper if he had the balls to do that.
 
2011-10-29 09:38:20 PM
Electrify: Over the Canadian Thanksgiving I took a Greyhound bus to New York City from Toronto to see my brother. The border patrol agents, who I presume failed the entry test to be candidates for mall security, belittled this poor Asian guy's status because he brought some cooking knives with him in his luggage - which was locked in the storage under the bus. When it came to processing everyone through customs, the invasiveness of their attitudes was just pathetic. I guess to them, a white 20-something's cell phone charger is serious business.

If you are a civil rights lawyer looking to build a clientele, simply taking the bus or train across the border and waiting for these douchebags to pounce on someone is a great way to get your foot in the door.

/crossing back into Canada was far more pleasant.


Sure it was.
 
2011-10-29 09:39:39 PM
So, the government should stop spending so much money, but they have to keep searching buses, trains, and airports for illegals from Canada? Got it.
 
2011-10-29 09:40:02 PM
ThisNameSux: Sure it was.

They just asked us about our travel and let us back on the bus. Hell, they didn't even put our luggage through the x-ray machine.
 
2011-10-29 09:45:26 PM
Going through the Canadian border takes me maybe 10 minutes, tops. That's including the line. Of course, I am white.

I know the official answer is that ICE is worried about illegal immigrants entering Canada, then illegally crossing the border to the U.S. I don't see why they would go through all that trouble when they could just get a temporary visa to the U.S. and just plop themselves in one of the many sanctuary cities all throughout the U.S, like over half of all illegal immigrants do.
 
2011-10-29 09:45:58 PM
gaslight: If there's any country the US doesn't need to worry about, it's Canada.

This isn't about security - it's a revenue grab.

And not just for obvious things like increased passport sales, but border states like New York get to upsell "enhanced" driver's licenses to people who do a lot of travel to Canada.
 
2011-10-29 09:46:37 PM
westorlandonews.com

It's so BHO's relatives have an easier time sneaking into the country. .
 
2011-10-29 09:48:39 PM
In South Texas, they have permanent checkpoints, like some kind of third world country (insert Texas flame here). These are not border checkpoints, they are at least 50 miles from the border. They are on all roads leading north. Theoretically they are "immigration checkpoints", but they have an awful lot of dogs to sniff out drugs, even though the Supreme Court has said these checkpoints are legal solely for immigration purposes. But the Fourth Amendment is pretty much gone now, so the Government does what the Government wants.
 
2011-10-29 09:50:43 PM
sheilanagig: I was tempted at the time to ask them if they were just going to take my word for it, or would they like to see my papers to verify?


What happens if you forgot your papers?


img24.imageshack.us
 
2011-10-29 09:53:33 PM
So what percentage of the populace is located within 100 miles of the border?
 
2011-10-29 09:54:10 PM
great. illegal bob and dougs in tooks with back bacon.
 
2011-10-29 09:55:48 PM
cepson: In South Texas, they have permanent checkpoints, like some kind of third world country (insert Texas flame here). These are not border checkpoints, they are at least 50 miles from the border. They are on all roads leading north. Theoretically they are "immigration checkpoints", but they have an awful lot of dogs to sniff out drugs, even though the Supreme Court has said these checkpoints are legal solely for immigration purposes. But the Fourth Amendment is pretty much gone now, so the Government does what the Government wants.

It's not just Mexicans and drugs, they also do stops for DWB (Driving While Brown) on legal residents ....

/since I have to live amid racists and fundies, it's good to be white
 
2011-10-29 10:06:00 PM
No matter how many precautions we take as a country, if we wish to remain free, we have to accept a certain amount of risk.

One thing is for certain, 9/11 was not the last act of terorism we are going to see here on US soil, and the only guaranteed result besides people dying, is further clamping down on civil liberties and personal privacy.

If you think the NSA, CIA, and FBI did not get a unanimous erection when the Patriot Act allowed them unfettered access to our email accounts and bank accounts, not to mention travel records and a host of other personal and Constitutionally private information, you are a tin foil hat wearer.

What is even funnier is listening to these talking heads on TV talk shows saying how accepting the American public has been with the conversion of our formerly free country into a security state, as if we had voted on it. It will only get worse, and the America our grandchildren live in will more resemble Nazi Germany than the USA our founding fathers envisioned.
 
2011-10-29 10:06:57 PM
kidsizedcoffin: So what percentage of the populace is located within 100 miles of the border?

Two thirds. 2/3rds. Two out of three. Roughly 66%.

www.aclu.org
 
2011-10-29 10:07:13 PM
Meanwhile a record number of illegals have been deported by this administration and fines levied against those who knowingly hire them. But keep farking that chicken, rethuglicans
 
2011-10-29 10:08:50 PM
kidsizedcoffin: So what percentage of the populace is located within 100 miles of the border?

Are you referring to moose or humans?
 
2011-10-29 10:11:35 PM
Kar98: kidsizedcoffin: So what percentage of the populace is located within 100 miles of the border?

Two thirds. 2/3rds. Two out of three. Roughly 66%.

[www.aclu.org image 640x480]


Not to speak for him, but I think we're talking about the Northern border here. The only thing crossing that border are Americans, moose, maple syrup, weed, Muslims, and hydroelectric power. Sort of doubt you have any issues with any of that.
 
2011-10-29 10:17:17 PM
Omahawg: great. illegal bob and dougs in tooks with back bacon.

LMFAO Thank you
 
2011-10-29 10:22:21 PM
As long as I don't have to stand in the microwave or be groped by Barney Fife, I am perfectly happy to comply with "papers please" at any US border. Why we would scale this back when our borders are mostly porous, very much eludes me.
 
2011-10-29 10:22:23 PM
I remember some terrorists who came across the northern borders and they looked like this:

www.skyjack.co.il

but if the magical negro says it's okay and we don't have to worry then we can just take him at his word because he makes great decisions.

www.mobipocket.com

I mean the last time the terrorists were confronted by a democrat he bombed a penicillin factory and that took care of the problem and made it go away. We also got to forget he lied about farking a fat chick.

bradfordschmidt.com
 
2011-10-29 10:25:39 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/6687238/72712906#c72712906" target="_blank">ox45tallboy</a>:</b> <i>AlwaysRightBoy: I've been taking buses up to Canada since the 80's (wife runs a ski club) and we've always been questioned by agents at the border who went up and down the bus, the only time I remember us being harassed was when my good friend was taken off the bus and further questioned. His last name was 'Beaudin', his ancestors came from a wealthy family in Quebec Province and they held him him for two hours. Pretty funny expect it made the bus ride that much longer.
/thank god for being able to bring Molson Bradors across the border

Do we really care if Canadians come down here and mill about? What are they going to do, pick our vegetables? What's the worst that could happen? If we get tired of them, they'll apologize and leave. It's not like we have any jobs for them to take, and who the fark ever heard of a Canadian terrorist?</i>

If you reread your question, you will understand. Maybe reread it twice.
 
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