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2011-10-29 01:46:11 PM
what an incredibly lame ass response to a valid petition from 'we the people'.
 
2011-10-29 01:57:53 PM
Weaver95: what an incredibly lame ass response to a valid petition from 'we the people'.

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2011-10-29 01:59:13 PM
What a load of bullsh*t.
 
2011-10-29 02:00:40 PM
Good thing we have all that extra money to spend on enforcement.
 
2011-10-29 02:04:29 PM
RON PAUL wouldn't say something like that..:)
 
2011-10-29 02:05:28 PM
It reads like something a middle schooler would right as part of a DARE project. All of the studies cited are either blatantly wrong, have questionable methodology, or are just simply misleading. I didn't expect marijuana to be legalized over night as the result of a petition, but considering it was hosted on the White House site as a way to help promote people's voice in government I thought it would at least enable a conversation about the subject. That's not what this is.
 
2011-10-29 02:10:59 PM
TheOmni: All of the studies cited are either blatantly wrong, have questionable methodology, or are just simply misleading.

Oh, and for the curious, NORML did a nice take down of the response here
 
2011-10-29 02:13:31 PM
Threw away my link cause it's kind of going down. I guess it's popular across the internet today. http://blog.norml.org/2011/10/29/white-house-response-to-normls-we-th e -people-marijuana-legalization-petition/ That's the link if it still won't work.
 
2011-10-29 02:13:40 PM
Meh. Simply passing laws because a majority want it is foolish. If we used that logic, we would never have passed civil rights.
 
2011-10-29 02:15:09 PM
GAT_00: Meh. Simply passing laws because a majority want it is foolish. If we used that logic, we would never have passed civil rights.

So what is your opinion of US drug policy?
 
2011-10-29 02:16:44 PM
violentsalvation: GAT_00: Meh. Simply passing laws because a majority want it is foolish. If we used that logic, we would never have passed civil rights.

So what is your opinion of US drug policy?


It's rather irrelevant, isn't it? Again, simply demanding something be law because a majority want it is stupid. It's a drug, and it has been declared illegal. Don't do it and move on.
 
2011-10-29 02:20:23 PM
According to scientists at the National Institutes of Health- the world's largest source of drug abuse research - marijuana use is associated with addiction, respiratory disease, and cognitive impairment. We know from an array of treatment admission information and Federal data that marijuana use is a significant source for voluntary drug treatment admissions and visits to emergency rooms. Studies also reveal that marijuana potency has almost tripled over the past 20 years, raising serious concerns about what this means for public health - especially among young people who use the drug because research shows their brains continue to develop well into their 20's. Simply put, it is not a benign drug.

If true to any statistically significant extent, none of this is any reason to keep marijuana illegal as long as ANY other chemical vices are legal. Cigarettes and alcohol, specifically.
 
2011-10-29 02:22:13 PM
GAT_00: violentsalvation: GAT_00: Meh. Simply passing laws because a majority want it is foolish. If we used that logic, we would never have passed civil rights.

So what is your opinion of US drug policy?

It's rather irrelevant, isn't it? Again, simply demanding something be law because a majority want it is stupid. It's a drug, and it has been declared illegal. Don't do it and move on.


Kinda strange you don't have an opinion on the matter other than "don't do it". Authoritarian drug laws restrict personal freedoms for the only reason of propping up capitalist drug companies and the prison industrial complex. All I'm saying is it seems like a fight you would take up.
 
2011-10-29 02:27:45 PM
violentsalvation: All I'm saying is it seems like a fight you would take up.

It should probably be legalized, but I find it hard to give the slightest bit of a damn about druggies. Yes, I know it's been shown to have minimal harm, unlike many other drugs, including some of which I take all the time like aspirin, acetaminophen, caffeine and alcohol. It's far safer than tobacco, which probably should be banned.

But who farking cares? It's illegal. It has minimal gain to legalize it, and the major people wanting to legalize it aren't pointing to medical uses, but because they want to be stoned. So, no, I really don't give a fark. It's illegal. Don't do it and move on.
 
2011-10-29 02:34:38 PM
GAT_00:

It's rather irrelevant, isn't it? Again, simply demanding something be law because a majority want it is stupid. It's a drug, and it has been declared illegal. Don't do it and move on.


In your world, nothing would ever change. How you possibly justify that?
 
2011-10-29 02:38:34 PM
GAT_00:
But who farking cares? It's illegal. It has minimal gain to legalize it, and the major people wanting to legalize it aren't pointing to medical uses, but because they want to be stoned. So, no, I really don't give a fark. It's illegal. Don't do it and move on.


it's a bad law, that's why we care. that alone is reason enough to change it.
 
2011-10-29 02:43:58 PM
Weaver95: it's a bad law, that's why we care. that alone is reason enough to change it.

We have actual problems to fight. Letting stoners get high is really farking far down the list.
 
2011-10-29 02:46:06 PM
GAT_00: But who farking cares? It's illegal. It has minimal gain to legalize it, and the major people wanting to legalize it aren't pointing to medical uses, but because they want to be stoned. So, no, I really don't give a fark. It's illegal. Don't do it and move on.

Ending Volstead had more than a minimal gain in ending the corruption and organized crime that it itself created.
 
2011-10-29 02:46:58 PM
GAT_00: Weaver95: it's a bad law, that's why we care. that alone is reason enough to change it.

We have actual problems to fight. Letting stoners get high is really farking far down the list.


this is a problem that affects every single one of us - the war on drugs is on our front door step. it's in our homes and in our work places. it follows us around online. trying to characterize this as a 'stoner problem' shows massive levels of ignorance.

weird. I didn't think you were a mindless authoritarian. i'll revise my notes accordingly.
 
2011-10-29 02:54:43 PM
Then I guess it's a good thing that Congress makes the laws and not the White House. Surely Congress will legalize it and then override Obama's veto, yes?
 
2011-10-29 03:00:06 PM
GAT_00: violentsalvation: All I'm saying is it seems like a fight you would take up.

It should probably be legalized, but I find it hard to give the slightest bit of a damn about druggies. Yes, I know it's been shown to have minimal harm, unlike many other drugs, including some of which I take all the time like aspirin, acetaminophen, caffeine and alcohol. It's far safer than tobacco, which probably should be banned.

But who farking cares? It's illegal. It has minimal gain to legalize it, and the major people wanting to legalize it aren't pointing to medical uses, but because they want to be stoned. So, no, I really don't give a fark. It's illegal. Don't do it and move on.


I don't personally have any stake in this as I don't smoke, but I would like to see the elimination of the black market for marijuana and all the corruption and violence associated with it, and would prefer to see it legitimized and taxed like alcohol and cigarettes and added to state revenues instead of spending billions to fight what has become a cultural norm. You might as well arrest people for having sex out of wedlock, because it's the same concept. Let's face facts here, everyone who is going to use to stuff is already using it, and we might as well reflect this in our policy and allow the public to gain from it rather than continuing what we've been doing.
 
2011-10-29 03:10:45 PM
Weaver95: I didn't think you were a mindless authoritarian.

Oh bugger off. I'm not saying there's no value - if you've actually read what I wrote, you'll realize that. But this is not the biggest problem that presents itself to us. People are going to take drugs, but that doesn't mean we haven't glorified drug use. We have bigger problems to solve. Druggies are down the list.

make me some tea: everyone who is going to use to stuff is already using it

Nope. I'd probably smoke it like I occasionally drink if it was legal. Doesn't mean I'm going to go buy some. And I'm not the only one. That doesn't mean it should be legal.
 
2011-10-29 03:18:44 PM
GAT_00: Nope. I'd probably smoke it like I occasionally drink if it was legal. Doesn't mean I'm going to go buy some. And I'm not the only one. That doesn't mean it should be legal.

So you believe that all of the spending on law enforcement and imprisonment and the organized crime that's thriving from it being illegal is a good thing? Is it effective? Is it healthy for the country? Why?
 
2011-10-29 03:20:21 PM
make me some tea: GAT_00: Nope. I'd probably smoke it like I occasionally drink if it was legal. Doesn't mean I'm going to go buy some. And I'm not the only one. That doesn't mean it should be legal.

So you believe that all of the spending on law enforcement and imprisonment and the organized crime that's thriving from it being illegal is a good thing? Is it effective? Is it healthy for the country? Why?


Again, we have bigger problems. It isn't going to be legalized. Let's move on and address things that might be changed.
 
2011-10-29 03:24:06 PM
GAT_00: Again, we have bigger problems. It isn't going to be legalized. Let's move on and address things that might be changed.

Like any issue, if there's sufficient political pressure to do so, it will be legalized. Why simply throw up your hands and say it's impossible? I don't get that.
 
2011-10-29 03:37:51 PM
Weaver95: it's a bad law, that's why we care. that alone is reason enough to change it.

This.

Also, on a side note, while many people would like to get high legally and aren't pushing for marijuana to be legalized for the medical benefits, THERE ARE farkING BENEFITS. The benefits to cancer patients has been documented, and a friend in California (where it's legal as medicine) is basically only a functional and productive person because it curbs his bi-polar disorder. Frankly, I wish it was legal in New York not just so I could smoke legally, but so I could pursue other options than decades-old drugs or potentially-helpful, potentially-hurtful new pharmaceuticals that cost $700/month.
 
2011-10-29 03:38:43 PM
make me some tea: GAT_00: Again, we have bigger problems. It isn't going to be legalized. Let's move on and address things that might be changed.

Like any issue, if there's sufficient political pressure to do so, it will be legalized. Why simply throw up your hands and say it's impossible? I don't get that.


The amount of farks I give for stoners is exceedingly low.
 
2011-10-29 03:40:14 PM
GAT_00: Again, we have bigger problems. .

no, we don't. THIS is a big problem. i'd say its just as big an issue as our problems on wall street.

weird. I don't get it...you're on record as standing against every OTHER form of oppression except this one.
 
2011-10-29 03:41:28 PM
GAT_00: Again, we have bigger problems. It isn't going to be legalized. Let's move on and address things that might be changed.

You really disappoint me, man. This is a clearly unjust law. This is a law that jails and fines people who have committed no other crime and who have harmed no one's person or property. This is a law that prevents valuable medicine from getting into patients' hands. this is a law that, when you scrape away the stigma of "hippie" and "stoner," has the most farking cut and dry line between "right" and "wrong" in domestic policy. Your attitude is part of the reason why the White House's bullshiat excuse is so easy to accept. It's not the handful of people pushing for weed to be illegal because it's harmful. It's about the massive amount of apathetic people who have no problem shrugging when freedom is limited, people are arrested, and medicine is kept away from patients as long as it just happens to "hippies" and "stoners."
 
2011-10-29 03:42:33 PM
Weaver95: no, we don't. THIS is a big problem. i'd say its just as big an issue as our problems on wall street.

It's not as big an issue, but just because your leg has gangrene doesn't mean you don't still bandage that nasty scratch on your arm.
 
2011-10-29 03:45:29 PM
Weaver95: I don't get it...you're on record as standing against every OTHER form of oppression except this one.

Again, the farks I give for stoners is low. Yeah legalizing it won't only let people get high, it does have medical uses, but legalizing it will just make stoners happy. That should not be anyone's priority, to simply make druggies happy. I don't give a fark about them or about anyone who is a druggie. So, no, I'm not going to fight for them. Fark 'em.
 
2011-10-29 03:47:47 PM
GAT_00: The amount of farks I give for stoners is exceedingly low.

what about a low cost antibiotic that absolutely destroys MRSA infections? even the nasty drug resistant ones? Cannabis can do that.

Or maybe low cost/high quality paper that won't defoliate a forest to print a book? Cannabis can do that too.

ok, ok...how about this - biofuel that can be made from a plant that grows in damn near ANY environment AND won't need to be genetically modified. As a bonus, it can turn over up to 4 crops a year AND actually regenerates nutrients in the soil. Cannabis can do that as well.

the industrial/medical applications for cannabis are very wide ranging. And yet...you lightly dismiss it as 'stoners wanna get high'. I can't tell if you're stupid or just trolling.
 
2011-10-29 03:48:18 PM
GAT_00: make me some tea: GAT_00: Again, we have bigger problems. It isn't going to be legalized. Let's move on and address things that might be changed.

Like any issue, if there's sufficient political pressure to do so, it will be legalized. Why simply throw up your hands and say it's impossible? I don't get that.

The amount of farks I give for stoners is exceedingly low.


Same here. The amount of farks I give about the erosion of our rights and trampling of the Constitution in pursuit of The Holy Drug War happens to be a fark load of farks. Didn't the Supreme or a circuit court recently rule that cops can enter a residence without a warrant if they "think" evidence is being destroyed? How much of an authoritarian police state must we become before you give a fark?
 
2011-10-29 03:49:01 PM
Gat_00 sounds like a tea partier.
 
2011-10-29 03:50:06 PM
Weaver95: GAT_00: The amount of farks I give for stoners is exceedingly low.

what about a low cost antibiotic that absolutely destroys MRSA infections? even the nasty drug resistant ones? Cannabis can do that.

Or maybe low cost/high quality paper that won't defoliate a forest to print a book? Cannabis can do that too.

ok, ok...how about this - biofuel that can be made from a plant that grows in damn near ANY environment AND won't need to be genetically modified. As a bonus, it can turn over up to 4 crops a year AND actually regenerates nutrients in the soil. Cannabis can do that as well.

the industrial/medical applications for cannabis are very wide ranging. And yet...you lightly dismiss it as 'stoners wanna get high'. I can't tell if you're stupid or just trolling.


You know the worst thing? The hippie stereotype has become so pervasive that even by listing legitimate uses and reasons, you still "sound like one of them," and can be dismissed as a hppie.
 
2011-10-29 03:50:20 PM
GAT_00: The amount of farks I give for stoners is exceedingly low.

This isn't about stoners, you dolt.
 
2011-10-29 03:51:19 PM
GAT_00: Weaver95: I don't get it...you're on record as standing against every OTHER form of oppression except this one.

Again, the farks I give for stoners is low. Yeah legalizing it won't only let people get high, it does have medical uses, but legalizing it will just make stoners happy. That should not be anyone's priority, to simply make druggies happy. I don't give a fark about them or about anyone who is a druggie. So, no, I'm not going to fight for them. Fark 'em.


several dozen valid medical AND industrial applications aside - what about the damage done to the 4th and 5th amendment by the war on drugs? legalize cannabis and our prison population goes down. Legalize cannabis, and that's less money going to the bank accounts of privately run corporate prisons.

And again - the fact that cannabis laws are based on a lie should be reason enough to repeal them. In fact, if you respect the law then you can ONLY support legalization, considering that several people lied under oath to congress in order to get those laws passed.
 
2011-10-29 03:51:32 PM
violentsalvation: Same here. The amount of farks I give about the erosion of our rights and trampling of the Constitution in pursuit of The Holy Drug War happens to be a fark load of farks. Didn't the Supreme or a circuit court recently rule that cops can enter a residence without a warrant if they "think" evidence is being destroyed? How much of an authoritarian police state must we become before you give a fark?

Hey, it's only druggies. He has nothing to worry about. W

Just like he doesn't care about the Patriot Act because he stays in line. Actually, it seems like he should be a pretty big supporter of the Patriot Act given that the vast majority of cases it's been used for have been drug convictions. I mean, if it only goes after the druggies he hates, then who cares?
 
2011-10-29 03:53:39 PM
violentsalvation: GAT_00: make me some tea: GAT_00: Again, we have bigger problems. It isn't going to be legalized. Let's move on and address things that might be changed.

Like any issue, if there's sufficient political pressure to do so, it will be legalized. Why simply throw up your hands and say it's impossible? I don't get that.

The amount of farks I give for stoners is exceedingly low.

Same here. The amount of farks I give about the erosion of our rights and trampling of the Constitution in pursuit of The Holy Drug War happens to be a fark load of farks. Didn't the Supreme or a circuit court recently rule that cops can enter a residence without a warrant if they "think" evidence is being destroyed? How much of an authoritarian police state must we become before you give a fark?


Damn straight.
 
2011-10-29 03:54:43 PM
make me some tea: GAT_00: The amount of farks I give for stoners is exceedingly low.

This isn't about stoners, you dolt.


He's either trolling or we're missing something from his psych profile.

I *do* have him listed as being slavishly devoted to the Democrats. I wonder if this is merely his way of being internally consistent? Obama's adminstration said no, so that's basically his entirely argument.
 
2011-10-29 03:56:57 PM
Weaver95: I *do* have him listed as being slavishly devoted to the Democrats. I wonder if this is merely his way of being internally consistent? Obama's adminstration said no, so that's basically his entirely argument.

I doubt it. He's been really critical of the Democrats and President Obama when he feels they've sold our progressive causes.
 
2011-10-29 03:57:52 PM
Weaver95: He's either trolling or we're missing something from his psych profile.

I *do* have him listed as being slavishly devoted to the Democrats. I wonder if this is merely his way of being internally consistent? Obama's adminstration said no, so that's basically his entirely argument.


Well, everyone's different I suppose.
 
2011-10-29 04:01:02 PM
Aarontology: Weaver95: I *do* have him listed as being slavishly devoted to the Democrats. I wonder if this is merely his way of being internally consistent? Obama's adminstration said no, so that's basically his entirely argument.

I doubt it. He's been really critical of the Democrats and President Obama when he feels they've sold our progressive causes.


hmm.

weird. could just be misinformed and running off government propaganda/disinformation. a LOT of people buy the 'stoners' crap and don't look any deeper.
 
2011-10-29 04:04:27 PM
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2011-10-29 04:37:07 PM
Anyone who wishes to smoke pot... does.

It's really as simple as that.
 
2011-10-29 04:40:44 PM
The White House could always try to use it as leverage to get the protesters off the lawn. It might work. Offer them decriminalization on the condition that they disband. I'd be interested to see the outcome of that.
 
2011-10-29 04:45:35 PM
BunkyBrewman: Anyone who wishes to smoke pot... does.

It's really as simple as that.


No, it's not.
 
2011-10-29 04:48:58 PM
BunkyBrewman: Anyone who wishes to smoke pot... does.

It's really as simple as that.



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2011-10-29 04:50:22 PM
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2011-10-29 05:08:03 PM
Dusk-You-n-Me: BunkyBrewman: Anyone who wishes to smoke pot... does.

It's really as simple as that.


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Yeah, really.
 
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