Weaver95: GaryPDX: Wow, just wow. That's pretty scary.

And now you understand why we Occupy Wall Street.

This will, of course, not reduce the number of frankly frightening comments that amount to "I disagree with these people and think they smell bad, so THE COPS SHOULD STOMP THEM DOWN LIKE DOGS!"

Weaver95: Bloody William: This will, of course, not reduce the number of frankly frightening comments that amount to "I disagree with these people and think they smell bad, so THE COPS SHOULD STOMP THEM DOWN LIKE DOGS!"

actually, as more and more people start to really understand just how bad our problems are and that ALL of us are affected by them I suspect support for the corruption will fade rather quickly.

That's strangely optimistic for you. And results in me giving you a hearty HELLO? MCFLY?

Look at the Tea Party supporters and the evolution of conservative rhetoric in the last year. Fanatics chanting about how all taxes and government is bad are now saying the poor aren't taxed enough and cheering the massive crackdown of American protesters with any force necessary. If cognitive dissonance was painful, their heads would have done the Scanners bit months ago.

Weaver95: Bloody William: Look at the Tea Party supporters and the evolution of conservative rhetoric in the last year. Fanatics chanting about how all taxes and government is bad are now saying the poor aren't taxed enough and cheering the massive crackdown of American protesters with any force necessary. If cognitive dissonance was painful, their heads would have done the Scanners bit months ago.

yeah, but as the cops start beating people down in ever more blatant displays of authoritarian rage, people are starting to see that there isn't anything protecting THEM from getting that very same beat down. your perspective changes when you realize that the law isn't there to protect YOU anymore, and that the system really DOES work for the rich.

I'd like to believe that, but until the people getting beaten down are THEM, they will not process it.

Weaver95: GaryPDX: Jeeebus. Seriously, both sides are itching for a fight. We might have some fireworks here today. The Occupiers threatened the city yesterday, the March through Portland to occupy another park starts in 26 minutes..lol

the only people looking for a fight are the cops. sure, there's some people who join the crowd and try to start some shiat...but the OWS people weed them out as best they can, then make it clear that they are NON violent.

not that the cops seem to care. they just pull their infamous midnight raids and lock up everything they catch.

The fact that it's been a month since it started and shiat hasn't gone down in a bad way downtown proves that the protesters aren't itching for a fight, and the day-to-day street cops down there aren't either. If the hammer comes down, it's going to be dropped by City Hall.

What following orders looks like*


* orders were do this job or be killed

I red somewhere the other day that all the goodwill NYPD garnered during 9/11, they have now totally pissed away.

Very sad indeed.

N. A. Coffey: I reAd somewhere the other day that all the goodwill NYPD garnered during 9/11, they have now totally pissed away.

Very sad indeed.


Jeez...

Weaver95: Bloody William: I'd like to believe that, but until the people getting beaten down are THEM, they will not process it.

Boston beat down people were able to ignore. at that point it was still an 'isolated incident'. But Oakland....that shook a bunch of people up. Even our local shills here on fark really backed the hell off defending the actions of the cops. None of the people I had farkied as 'mindless authoritarians' jumped in to cheer the Oakland PD either, and that tells me quite a lot right there.

Even Limbaugh isn't defending the OPD. Sure, he blames the marine for getting a 40mm shot to the head and thinks it was all part of some commie/socialist plot...but he's not saying the cops did the right thing.

Ok, but you called me a mindless authoritarian for being ok with speed limits in school zones, so lets not confuse my shared disgust for the actions of Oakland pd as my turning over a new leaf.

N. A. Coffey: I read somewhere the other day that all the goodwill NYPD garnered during 9/11, they have now totally pissed away.

Very sad indeed.

They pissed it away two and a half years before 9/11. Google "Amadou Diallo" if you don't know what in the green hell I'm talking about.

/any goodwill they've gained since then was pissed away when Tony Baloney maced those two girls

GaryPDX: Come to think about it, I think I saw this movie once. It was a story written by a nice man named George Orwell.

Shenanigans. Animal Farm didn't have this many pigs.

When the defendants emerged, many in the crowd burst into raucous cheers. Once they had gone and the tide of officers had dispersed, the street was littered with refuse.

Hey. That's no way to talk about poor people.

King Something: N. A. Coffey: I read somewhere the other day that all the goodwill NYPD garnered during 9/11, they have now totally pissed away.

Very sad indeed.

They pissed it away two and a half years before 9/11. Google "Amadou Diallo" if you don't know what in the green hell I'm talking about.

/any goodwill they've gained since then was pissed away when Tony Baloney maced those two girls

What are you talking about.

He did such a good job he turned one of the girls STRAIT

I am so glad their union and government interference will prevent any of these officers from being punished for their corruption. This is a win for the country.

The mayor of NYC needs to actually be a leader and be held accountable as well.

King Something: ...Google "Amadou Diallo" if you don't know what in the green hell I'm talking about.

Damn.

The whole genesis of a police class was to protect the rich from the poor. Though in some sense this also protected the poor from the rich - a rich man could no longer just kill any poor person with whom he took offense - intermediation through the police put things on a more legalistic footing.

When the role of police is just to protect richer classes this leads to corruption where the police are free to abuse the lower classes. Throughout history and in many parts of the world today such as South America, India, Russia, etc. the police essentially are organized crime running protection rackets for honest small businesses and take payoff from small time criminals.

A common way to perpetuate such systems is to pay the police so little that they have to be corrupt just to raise a family.

Until a state is reached where the police truly equally protect all classes corruption will still exist.

Weaver95: GaryPDX: Wow, just wow. That's pretty scary.

And now you understand why we Occupy Wall Street.

Because Wall Street hired these guys and let them run a ticket-fixing scam and the Wall Street owned unions will prevent these cops from being fired?

/some things aren't the bankers' fault.

GaryPDX: King Something: GaryPDX: Come to think about it, I think I saw this movie once. It was a story written by a nice man named George Orwell.

Shenanigans. Animal Farm didn't have this many pigs.

lol..I was thinking of a different one.

Down and Out in Paris and London didn't have this many poor people.

I like this protest by the NYPD.

They should keep on protesting. Keep on making their own signs too.

watson.t.hamster: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Wow, just wow. That's pretty scary.

And now you understand why we Occupy Wall Street.

Because Wall Street hired these guys and let them run a ticket-fixing scam and the Wall Street owned unions will prevent these cops from being fired?

/some things aren't the bankers' fault.

^What "not getting it" may look like.^

/"why they protesting?/why are they there though?/I don't get it/it's not clear enough/they need leadership/what is there message?/UNIONS"
//punch yourself in the face repeatedly

*their

vartian: GaryPDX:
We have very similar issues here too with the Portland Police. These LEO's pump themselves up on steroids and get away with murder.

I have a good friend from Manchester who tells tales of friendly, helpful police that know their neighborhoods and the people. I find it completely baffling. I have met a few dozen decent cops in D.C. And by decent I mean, "were not immediately dicks." Two have been absolutely excellent, in over a decade of living downtown. It is simply pathetic.


Police here are generally good. One time an ahole pulled me over and claimed I was doing 65 in a 45 when I know I was doing 45. Wrote me a ticket anyway, but he never filed it with the court, so I never had to pay. Odd situation.

But otherwise, when I'm out cycling, I *always* get a smile and wave from the local PD. A lot nicer than the average car driver, that's for sure.

So if the NYPD is using the Nazi defense and the American Nazi Party supports OWS, then by the transitive property the NYPD supports OWS. Right?

Just wait till the police remember they have these bad boys to use on the protesters.

/stop resisting