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2011-10-28 07:49:42 PM
Wow.... It's been a while since I've seen Steve Grogan's name
 
2011-10-28 08:22:13 PM
Another dickshine who can't remember Drew was playing on a torn MCL with zero running game last year. This year, knee healed and healthy running attack leading to a balanced game (as balanced as the Saints like to be, at least), same number of picks as superduperstar Tom Brady. Oh well, at least he acknowledges that '09 kicked the ass of any season by the wonder twins.

i63.photobucket.com

Now that's "duper."
 
2011-10-28 08:40:42 PM
robsul82: Another dickshine who can't remember Drew was playing on a torn MCL with zero running game last year. This year, knee healed and healthy running attack leading to a balanced game (as balanced as the Saints like to be, at least), same number of picks as superduperstar Tom Brady. Oh well, at least he acknowledges that '09 kicked the ass of any season by the wonder twins.

[i63.photobucket.com image 500x273]

Now that's "duper."


You know Drew Brees is already married, right? He won't date you.
 
2011-10-28 08:48:52 PM
JerseyTim: You know Drew Brees is already married, right? He won't date you.

And how does a hi-larious gay joke refute what I said? There's a reason his picks spiked last year and it wasn't that he forgot what uniforms his teammates were wearing, and if he wants to talk about being "sloppy," it's worth pointing out that this year (because it's all about "ability to win in 2011") his favorite QB is just as "sloppy."
 
2011-10-28 09:18:58 PM
robsul82: JerseyTim: You know Drew Brees is already married, right? He won't date you.

And how does a hi-larious gay joke refute what I said? There's a reason his picks spiked last year and it wasn't that he forgot what uniforms his teammates were wearing, and if he wants to talk about being "sloppy," it's worth pointing out that this year (because it's all about "ability to win in 2011") his favorite QB is just as "sloppy."


It was more of a hi-larious white knighting joke.

I think we all know who Bill Simmons is by now and trying to provide corrections and context to his columns isn't really necessary.
 
2011-10-28 09:28:50 PM
JerseyTim: It was more of a hi-larious white knighting joke.

I think we all know who Bill Simmons is by now and trying to provide corrections and context to his columns isn't really necessary.


Well, someone's gotta. And it's wholly unnecessary to ever pass up an opportunity to post the FAIL pic.
 
2011-10-28 09:56:47 PM
Damn that article is painful to read.
 
2011-10-28 10:20:25 PM
6. Michael Vick

FAIL

I see no reason to read this drek further if you think Vick is the 6th best QB. He's not even in the top 10.
 
2011-10-28 10:40:52 PM
Aaron Rodgers at the top. It's a good life
 
2011-10-28 10:50:10 PM
Fat Elvis is going to need an adjustable ring.
 
2011-10-28 10:53:30 PM
/oh Goddamn it
 
2011-10-28 11:01:36 PM
and in Canada
 
2011-10-28 11:04:25 PM
JerseyTim: robsul82: Another dickshine who can't remember Drew was playing on a torn MCL with zero running game last year. This year, knee healed and healthy running attack leading to a balanced game (as balanced as the Saints like to be, at least), same number of picks as superduperstar Tom Brady. Oh well, at least he acknowledges that '09 kicked the ass of any season by the wonder twins.

[i63.photobucket.com image 500x273]

Now that's "duper."

You know Drew Brees is already married, right? He won't date you.


Awesome. Rob was right but the way he said it was a bit knob slobby.
 
2011-10-28 11:06:21 PM
elguerodiablo: Rob was right

Full stop.
 
2011-10-28 11:06:45 PM
TEEEBOOOWWW TIME BABY!!
 
2011-10-28 11:10:29 PM
GAT_00: 6. Michael Vick

FAIL

I see no reason to read this drek further if you think Vick is the 6th best QB. He's not even in the top 10.


Who are you putting higher than him and on what rationale other than "F VICK". Some of you would know, I'm an Eagles fan but do not think Vick is the answer (I'm always a McNabb homer for his era). Still looking at the list, do you move Cam, a rookie, higher to take them to the title? If you move Vick to 11 (out of the top 10) you put the following higher:
Cam, Manning, Romo, Ryan, and Cutler

I dislike Vick, and I can see arguments at certain points for some of them but if you do it from the perspective of "we have to win sunday and can trade for any QB", he may get the nod. He's not a lock at 6 by any means, but he's definitely top 10 this year (until hurt) even if I'll hate him during his tenure in Philly
 
2011-10-28 11:20:39 PM
TheManofPA: Cam, Manning, Romo, Ryan, and Cutler

Not quite. Eli, Romo, Ryan, Schaub and Stafford are all better than Vick though. Too early to tell on Newton.
 
2011-10-28 11:32:33 PM
As a Patriots fan, I have seen EVERY level of quarterback play from "transcendent" to "putrid." That makes me uniquely qualified to judge the 42 best quarterbacks in 2011

He...he really farking said that, didn't he?
 
2011-10-28 11:32:55 PM
WHAR GRAPH WHA-

Oh wait a tick...
 
2011-10-28 11:39:11 PM
tortilla burger: WHAR GRAPH WHA-

Oh wait a tick...


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2011-10-28 11:43:03 PM
GAT_00: TheManofPA: Cam, Manning, Romo, Ryan, and Cutler

Not quite. Eli, Romo, Ryan, Schaub and Stafford are all better than Vick though. Too early to tell on Newton.


Right now, personally, I'd put Eli over him and agree there. Same with Cam, I need to see more from Cam (if he keeps it up, Cam is going up with Rivers). I'd put him over Romo and Ryan at this point, not a blow out or slight but he's outperformed them. I really want Stafford to be better than him but he just can't seem to last (at least Vick returns from injury). Schuab I just can't figure out where to put him. Every time he looks like a good QB, he folds and the Texans fall back to the pack. With no Manning, maybe he makes the leap, but at the moment I can see putting Vick above him.

I feel dirty white-knighting Vick, but I can understand having him up there. Also, I wish Colt wasn't so low, I think part of what is hurting him is the offense has him handcuffed (i.e. no passes further than 5 yards, crappy receivers, and the Madden curse).
 
2011-10-28 11:46:02 PM
Look, all that matters to me as a Dolphins fan is...We're #42! We almost screwed up losing, but we pulled it out of the fire!

0/16 and Luck, where we go!
 
2011-10-28 11:48:25 PM
I'm sorry, I see two guys at the top and most of the rest of the league is interchangeable on any given day.
 
2011-10-28 11:59:14 PM
robsul82: elguerodiablo: Rob was right

Full stop.



Rob is ALWAYS right!

fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net

/just shamelessly sharing a photo of Robert2011, since I won't be online to do it Sunday. Carry on.
 
2011-10-29 12:00:53 AM
robsul82: elguerodiablo: Rob was right

Full stop.


You might want to add that to the profile, I don't think you'll see that typed out in a thread again.
/#HEEL
 
2011-10-29 12:03:05 AM
TheManofPA: Same with Cam, I need to see more from Cam (if he keeps it up, Cam is going up with Rivers).

If Cam keeps this up, he probably deserves top 5 status. I am withholding judgement until defenses get the time to fully study him during the offseason. If next year he comes close to matching this year when they've had time to really plan against him, then he's legit. People might start slowing him down by late season.

McCoy has a future, I think. It's hard to tell with the people around him. What Dalton has done with Cincy is absolutely shocking too. I wouldn't have bet on the Bengals winning 4 all year, much less being 4-2.

Schaub, despite never really shining, has done well enough adjusted across time to be rated better than average and the lower bound for the elite/very best of the above average I think.
 
2011-10-29 12:06:20 AM
Look, I like Bill Simmons. But this crap-ass complaining about players not being able to cripple other players with old-school hits is annoying.
 
2011-10-29 12:09:38 AM
On the plus side, the assessment of Cutler doing more with less is dead-on.
 
2011-10-29 12:13:52 AM
TheManofPA:
Cam - Maybe. Kinda early to tell
Manning - Yeah, right now
Romo - No... Sorry, but he costs his team wins
Ryan - Not even close, and I like Matt
Cutler - Interesting idea, I'd have to think about that one
 
2011-10-29 12:46:07 AM
robsul82: JerseyTim: You know Drew Brees is already married, right? He won't date you.

And how does a hi-larious gay joke refute what I said? There's a reason his picks spiked last year and it wasn't that he forgot what uniforms his teammates were wearing, and if he wants to talk about being "sloppy," it's worth pointing out that this year (because it's all about "ability to win in 2011") his favorite QB is just as "sloppy."


You DO realize he posted the stats of this year current...and your boy toy has quite a few more interceptions than Brady and Rodgers, right?

Not a member of either city so I don't mind any of the 3 teams...but man oh man you take this shiat way too seriously.
 
2011-10-29 12:47:42 AM
ks1415: tortilla burger: WHAR GRAPH WHA-

Oh wait a tick...

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i.imgur.com
 
2011-10-29 01:05:57 AM
Maybe I'm a Jets homer, but calling Mark Sanchez a "game manager" at this point is not giving him enough credit and is giving the rest of his team too much. When they open the passing game up for him, he's shown he can win games on an inconsistent basis. He has fewer weapons on offense and a lesser O-line this year. He throws picks sometimes. He's a gunslinger and that's not a bad thing. I would have called him a "game manager" as recently as last season, so being able to call him a gunslinger now means I might be calling him a field general by this time next year.

He's in his THIRD GODDAMN YEAR. Chad Pennington didn't even get to start until his third year. Sheesh.
 
2011-10-29 01:23:44 AM
FishyFred: Maybe I'm a Jets homer, but calling Mark Sanchez a "game manager" at this point is not giving him enough credit and is giving the rest of his team too much. When they open the passing game up for him, he's shown he can win games on an inconsistent basis. He has fewer weapons on offense and a lesser O-line this year. He throws picks sometimes. He's a gunslinger and that's not a bad thing. I would have called him a "game manager" as recently as last season, so being able to call him a gunslinger now means I might be calling him a field general by this time next year.

He's in his THIRD GODDAMN YEAR. Chad Pennington didn't even get to start until his third year. Sheesh.


Heres the thing. Bill Simmons is an unblushing Bahston Homah. Sanchez plays for the Pats biggest rival. The Jets have been further into the playoffs than the Pats the last few years and even dealt the playoff death blow to the Brady Bunch last year. Of COURSE Simmons is going to under rate him. See also Ryan Fitzpatrick for daring to be competent this year.
 
2011-10-29 01:44:41 AM
robsul82: Another dickshine who can't remember Drew was playing on a torn MCL with zero running game last year.

Hmmm, which years count again? Oh, that's right - all of them.
 
2011-10-29 01:47:36 AM
Fade2black: You DO realize he posted the stats of this year current

Simmons posted the stats going back to the beginning of last season, which makes Brees look much worse by comparison as Brady had 4 picks last year to Brees' 22.

This season current, Brees and Brady have 8 picks each, but Brees has played more games as the Pats just had their bye week. So far, Drew is having the better season, but god forbid Simmons write anything that makes Brady look less than a football deity.
 
2011-10-29 01:59:52 AM
Misplaced yat: Simmons posted the stats going back to the beginning of last season, which makes Brees look much worse by comparison as Brady had 4 picks last year to Brees' 22.

This season current, Brees and Brady have 8 picks each, but Brees has played more games as the Pats just had their bye week. So far, Drew is having the better season, but god forbid Simmons write anything that makes Brady look less than a football deity.


We can play this game all day - throw out the indy game and brees has 7td's, and 8 picks. Love the guy - he's great. He's also well on pace to throw 20 int's again. That's gonna be the new normal for mr. brees - you'll see.
 
2011-10-29 02:07:36 AM
SharkTrager: Romo - No... Sorry, but he costs his team wins

SharkTrager: Cutler - Interesting idea, I'd have to think about that one

Mmm-hmm. Remind me never to ask your opinion of quarterbacks.
 
2011-10-29 02:08:46 AM
FishyFred: Maybe I'm a Jets homer, but calling Mark Sanchez a "game manager" at this point is not giving him enough credit and is giving the rest of his team too much.

They should probably be calling him a bust by now.
 
2011-10-29 02:47:23 AM
JohnBigBootay: robsul82: Another dickshine who can't remember Drew was playing on a torn MCL with zero running game last year.

Hmmm, which years count again? Oh, that's right - all of them.


That was in reference to Simmons' self-set standard of last year and this year, blatantly aimed at putting forth the idea that Tom Brady and only Tom Brady is in Aaron Rodgers' league, for obvious reasons.

JohnBigBootay: Misplaced yat: Simmons posted the stats going back to the beginning of last season, which makes Brees look much worse by comparison as Brady had 4 picks last year to Brees' 22.

This season current, Brees and Brady have 8 picks each, but Brees has played more games as the Pats just had their bye week. So far, Drew is having the better season, but god forbid Simmons write anything that makes Brady look less than a football deity.

We can play this game all day - throw out the indy game and brees has 7td's, and 8 picks. Love the guy - he's great. He's also well on pace to throw 20 int's again. That's gonna be the new normal for mr. brees - you'll see.


The only game we're playing is the one Simmons set up, and neglected to mention some very pertinent information when he did so, chiefly to make Brady look better. It's not white knighting and it's neither whatever homophobic insult one can think of to simply point that out.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2011-10-29 03:18:03 AM
Sabyen91: Mmm-hmm. Remind me never to ask your opinion of quarterbacks.

Rofl, do you really think Romo had nothing to do with the Cowboys losses? I count 2 of the Cowboys 3 losses directly attributed to Romo's INTs (Lions and Jets). And the 3rd loss, they had no faith in Romo and decided to take the ball out of his hands when they needed a 1st down to win the game. So yeah, I'm going to have to say "Romo costs his team wins".

The reason the Bears have lost 3 games this year is simple: No offensive line, no WRs, an awful offensive coordinator who thinks "fark, we are down by 3 in the 2nd quarter, ditch the running game, let's air it out", or the defense has lapses (I heard that the Bears, from 03 to last year, have only allowed 3! plays of 70 yards + from scrimmage. Against Detroit, they had 2).

You can fault Cutler for some passes, but this year, the losses have not been his fault.
 
2011-10-29 03:30:48 AM
robsul82: That was in reference to Simmons' self-set standard of last year and this year, blatantly aimed at putting forth the idea that Tom Brady and only Tom Brady is in Aaron Rodgers' league, for obvious reasons.

The whole thing is a contrived idea to eat column inches and breed conversation. Anyone would be happy with any of the three of them. but if you have to cut it to two I can't fault his order. The only reason he made it two in the first place is if he was just picking a number one he knows now he can't just say it's brady anymore without getting a rash of shiat.
 
2011-10-29 03:49:45 AM
JohnBigBootay: The whole thing is a contrived idea to eat column inches and breed conversation. Anyone would be happy with any of the three of them. but if you have to cut it to two I can't fault his order. The only reason he made it two in the first place is if he was just picking a number one he knows now he can't just say it's brady anymore without getting a rash of shiat.

I can certainly fault it, as it's hinged on a crap standard based on ignoring pertinent information specifically aimed at producing only one result for biased reasons. I have no issue with throwing the bullshiat flag on that. Furthermore, I have no issue with putting them all on the same level, but to toss one out and hope nobody remembers last season or looks up this year's pick totals so you can say mine and only mine is as good as the probable MVP this year? Lame, and I'll say it's lame. That shouldn't be a problem to anyone.
 
2011-10-29 07:19:53 AM
Kind funny that the "Year of the QB" is declared when the team with the 2nd best record in the league has the #20 QB. And considering they have the easiest schedule of any team going forward, they could easily end up with the best record overall.
 
2011-10-29 11:35:53 AM
Robert1966: robsul82: elguerodiablo: Rob was right

Full stop.


Rob is ALWAYS right!

[fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 640x960]

/just shamelessly sharing a photo of Robert2011, since I won't be online to do it Sunday. Carry on.


What a cutie! :) And judging by that jersey he's wearing, the kid's getting off to a good start. ;)

/wearing #43 right now
//somewhere I have a picture of my 6-month-old niece wearing her first Steelers jersey (Heath Miller), I'll have to see if I can find it.
 
2011-10-29 12:16:35 PM
It almost seemed like Bill Simmons wants Rodgers to get a third concussion, so he can safely move Brady back to the top spot. What a dick!
 
2011-10-29 01:33:48 PM
Jay Cutler ahead of Matt Ryan? GTFO of here.
 
2011-10-29 01:47:59 PM
tootse: It almost seemed like Bill Simmons wants Rodgers to get a third concussion, so he can safely move Brady back to the top spot. What a dick!

Of course, he didn't note that Rodgers switched to a more concussion-protective helmet after the second one (if it's working this well, why wouldn't the league just mandate use of those helmets for everyone if they care about player safety?)
 
2011-10-29 01:48:43 PM
MBK: The reason the Bears have lost 3 games this year is simple: No offensive line, no WRs, an awful offensive coordinator who thinks "fark, we are down by 3 in the 2nd quarter, ditch the running game, let's air it out", or the defense has lapses (I heard that the Bears, from 03 to last year, have only allowed 3! plays of 70 yards + from scrimmage. Against Detroit, they had 2).

lol everywhere he goes, the problems are with everyone else. Love it.
 
2011-10-29 02:19:05 PM
GimpyNip: Brady & Rodgers are better than Brees. It isn't really a debate, it even if there were which one of those guys do you put Brees ahead of? Also Brees & Brady may both have 8 picks but that's slightly deceiving as 4 of Brady's came in a single game. Anyway, winning the bronze ain't that bad.

Seeing as how Brees is having a better season thus far than Brady is (yards, TDs, cmp%), it's not that hard to put Brees ahead. In any case, it's not even about that, it's about putting them all on the same level, which they are, not inventing a bogus standard that makes the one he supports better by ignoring some glaring issues. BTW, 3 of Drew's picks happened in 1 game, but let's cut Tom a break because he had 1 more in a single game? Pass. Even as a proud Jets fan living up there, your head's getting polluted, lol.
 
2011-10-29 05:31:46 PM
I like how Bill Simmons likes to forget things like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning working together on those passing defense rules changes. That was the point when I got suspicious of the author and scrolled down to check. Yep, that's who I thought it was. Stop reading.

How this man has a job outside of a local syndication is beyond me. Terrible journalist, even for one who only does commentary.
 
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