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2011-10-28 02:54:20 PM

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: If it did happen, if protesters were throwing rocks and bottles at police, would you agree that it was a riot

Obviously, but unless you have multiple sourced citations, (or, better yet, video) then it didn't happen.


The police claim that protesters threw rock and bottles and other things at them. Are you saying that the police are lying about that?
 
2011-10-28 02:54:53 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bruegel: Whatthefark: Funny how these protests are peaceful until asshole cops show up pushing their weight around.

Portland cops have been pretty decent. Other than busting a couple of people for drugs, the cops just hang out and talk to the protestors.

So throwing bottles at the police is fine and dandy with you?

Who threw bottles?


Notice how the protesters have tons of video showing police brutality but the Kochsuckers lack any videos of OWS violence?

Veeeerrrrry interesteeng.
 
2011-10-28 02:55:38 PM

EducatedBum: /derp is as derp does


Apparently I missed the memo, but we're not allowed to use that word anymore. It must have lost its appeal and become passé.

Just thought you should know. /sarcasm
 
2011-10-28 02:55:42 PM
Most U.S. servicemen would have nothing to do with the anarchist/leftist loonies at the various "Occupy" protests.
 
2011-10-28 02:55:50 PM

Lane83: Spending isn't out of control and you sure as shiat don't pay too many taxes.


I stopped reading that crap right there.
 
2011-10-28 02:56:09 PM

SkinnyHead: Vodka Zombie: SkinnyHead: Marines are required to obey the law just like everyone else. If they participate in a riot in violation of the law, they deserve what they get, just like everyone else.

Is it fun to call it a riot?

I mean, it's kind of a stretch to do so, and it's wildly dishonest, but I want to know if it's fun.

Protesters were throwing rocks and bottles at police. That's a riot.


That accusation was made in the other thread - probably by you - many times. Strange that no evidence of that happening was produced. Perhaps the cops haven't had time to fabricate it yet.
 
2011-10-28 02:56:25 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: If it did happen, if protesters were throwing rocks and bottles at police, would you agree that it was a riot

Obviously, but unless you have multiple sourced citations, (or, better yet, video) then it didn't happen.

The police claim that protesters threw rock and bottles and other things at them. Are you saying that the police are lying about that?


The police also claimed grenades weren't used, despite VIDEO EVIDENCE to the contrary.
 
2011-10-28 02:56:28 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Wow, just no perspective left AT ALL in this world.

Yes, the Oakland police over-reacted.

Yes, they should pay for the injury, and not hide behind some stupid "they was doing illegal stuff" argument.

HOWEVER - the Oakland police did not try to kill this guy with a teargas canister - it WAS an an accident, one they should pay for, but an accident none-the-less. Also, I'm unaware what part the banks has in injuring this guy - but we've got people ready to roll the ENTIRE OWS wish-list into this story. I'm sorry, but that is bullshiat.

No perspective. One member of a group does something stupid then ALL members of that group are just the same. (All conservatives are ultra-religious Tea Partiers, everybody who works at a bank is Bernie Madoff, every Democrat is a socialist - and on and on and on)

People are stupid. Carry on. And: Oakland Police: fark you, pay him.


The thing is, police will use the justification of just one person doing something wrong to crack the skulls of hundreds of those who did nothing wrong.

And sometimes, that one guy who did something wrong is a cop himself.
 
2011-10-28 02:56:39 PM

lohphat: Marcus Aurelius: The best way to defend our freedom is to vote every damned last congressman and senator out of office and replace them with decent human beings, and then demand that the legalized bribery of our government is once again outlawed. Short of that, nothing is going to change.

16 of 17 candidates with the largest campaign coffers win.

Campaign finance reform must pass first. Money nullifies votes.

Short of that, nothing is going to change.


In previous threads (ows threads to boot) you said that violence is not the answer. Yet right here you state that money nullifies votes. Just how do you propose that we who do not have any money vote the corrupt out of office?
Do you suggest that we remain slaves to the monied few?
 
2011-10-28 02:56:45 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The best way to defend our freedom is to vote every damned last congressman and senator out of office and replace them with decent human beings, and then demand that the legalized bribery of our government is once again outlawed. Short of that, nothing is going to change.


+1
 
2011-10-28 02:56:51 PM

Riothamus: cameroncrazy1984: bruegel: Whatthefark: Funny how these protests are peaceful until asshole cops show up pushing their weight around.

Portland cops have been pretty decent. Other than busting a couple of people for drugs, the cops just hang out and talk to the protestors.

So throwing bottles at the police is fine and dandy with you?

Who threw bottles?

Notice how the protesters have tons of video showing police brutality but the REVERSE VAMPIRES lack any videos of OWS violence?

Veeeerrrrry interesteeng.


FTFY

/Take off your tin foil hat.
 
2011-10-28 02:56:52 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: I was wondering how Marines would react to this incident. Which is stronger: "Semper Fi" or personal politics? Naturally, I assume the answer is going to be different for every Marine, but I'd imagine it might stir up some conflict in those who disagree with the Occupy movement but are strongly loyal to the Corps and its ideals.

Either way, I think the Oakland PD picked the wrong skull to fracture.


It kinda looks like Occupy Oakland set a trap and the cops stepped into it. I'm not saying thats the truth but look at the way things worked out.

Occupy won the PR battle. The mayor ended up eating crow. The protest goes on.
 
2011-10-28 02:57:14 PM
dothemath: Im sure the street shiatters do not represent the majority but it certainly doesnt help their image. I think that a lot of people are just looking for an excuse to go yell in the street.

True. The OWS folks really need some farking leadership. I sympathize with the OWS central message, but the signal to noise ratio in the crowd is way the hell off. If a few people could stand up and just say "Ok folks, regardless of the minor issues you have we need to get our signs in line with each other, and for the love of God, find a farking restroom every now and again" you'd really see the protests take off. Right now everyone with a bone to pick about anything has a large sign about it. They need to be saying 'I'M PROTESTING WALL STREET and Blockbuster video', not the other way around. And Christ, people, find some folks with some ability to speak on camera and send the news crews in their direction instead of stumbling some half-assed commentary about how meat is murder. As Jon Stewart is wont to say, "You're not helping!"

I dont have time for that shiat because im trying to hold on to the job im lucky to have for as long as possible.

I hear you there. I'm doing pretty decent at the moment, but I'm well aware of how tenuous my situation really is. I thought I was sitting pretty back in '08, but I still ended up on UI for a little while.
 
2011-10-28 02:57:18 PM

dothemath: Mr. Breeze: dothemath: I agree with the sentiment but I think the 'Occupy' protests are ineffectual and counter-productive.
I live paycheck to paycheck and have seen a pay decrease and job insecurity go to an all time high. I have basically forgotten about ever buying a house.
But the people down there shiatting in the streets and smoking weed do not represent me. There was a story out yesterday about sexual assaults that have taken place, allegedly.
I think a lot of those people are trust fund babies out to look cool.

I agree. And personally I've been thinking about how the Tea Party movement never turned violent, even though some people at the protests/rallies had weapons (which were harmless but vilified by liberals). I've also been thinking how the Tea Party successfully got its members elected to Congress, furthering their cause more than these disorganized OWS protesters ever will.

Regardless of your opinion on the Tea Party, you have to give them that.

I think that the cops do bear some responsibility for escalating and causing violence.
And I hate to stick up for the Tea Party but youre right, they are far better organized.


lol they had corporate sponsorship from the "right" people from the start. there is nothing grassroots about the teatards
 
2011-10-28 02:57:22 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: If it did happen, if protesters were throwing rocks and bottles at police, would you agree that it was a riot

Obviously, but unless you have multiple sourced citations, (or, better yet, video) then it didn't happen.

The police claim that protesters threw rock and bottles and other things at them. Are you saying that the police are lying about that?


Cops lie all the time, where you been, Mars?
 
2011-10-28 02:57:22 PM

tinyarena: TheMega: REDDIT
mikaloyd: Reddit
Person: Reddit
ThisNameSux: reddit
Barbigazi: Reddit

Oh well, since Reddit covered it already I guess there's no reason to discuss it further.
So, wadda you wanna do now?


LETS PLAY KICKBALL~
 
2011-10-28 02:57:31 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: If it did happen, if protesters were throwing rocks and bottles at police, would you agree that it was a riot

Obviously, but unless you have multiple sourced citations, (or, better yet, video) then it didn't happen.

The police claim that protesters threw rock and bottles and other things at them. Are you saying that the police are lying about that?


Was this the same cop who grabbed his gun instead of his taser to subdue a handcuffed man who was lying face down on a train platform with another officer on top of him?

I really think we should never put any stock in anything the OPD has to say. They pretty much lost their credibility.
 
2011-10-28 02:57:39 PM
There has been, on rare occasions many decades ago times when troops were deployed to protect protestors from overly zealous local authorities, a couple of Michigan labor strike protest come to mind. I for one, would giggle uncontrollably and be quite proud of Obama if he deployed a contingent of marines to Oakland. The thought of an Abrams tank with its barrel pointed at the Oakland pd line makes me quite giddy,
 
2011-10-28 02:57:41 PM

moefuggenbrew: Hey honest question here, I'm too young to know much about what happened, everyone referencs 'Kent State' ...what was that all about? (too lazy to google two 2)


Too lazy to google? You are the 99%!
 
2011-10-28 02:57:47 PM

mike0023: Most U.S. servicemen would have nothing to do with the anarchist/leftist loonies at the various "Occupy" protests.


Most US servicemen aren't a bunch of useless moochers.
 
2011-10-28 02:58:08 PM

Cythraul: EducatedBum: /derp is as derp does

Apparently I missed the memo, but we're not allowed to use that word anymore. It must have lost its appeal and become passé.

Just thought you should know. /sarcasm


Oh thanks! I'll make a note of it here.

/find new word for derp
//?
///profit
 
2011-10-28 02:58:45 PM

I alone am best: Lane83: Spending isn't out of control and you sure as shiat don't pay too many taxes.

I stopped reading that crap right there.


Really? What was your total tax liability for 2010? Can you point to a single government program that is actually spending so much that we aren't getting a return on investment (outside of black budgets like defense, which, I will concede, is high, but not without justification)?

Most of our deficit exists because of tax cuts passed in the Bush years.
 
2011-10-28 02:58:46 PM

mike0023: Most U.S. servicemen would have nothing to do with the anarchist/leftist loonies at the various "Occupy" protests.


You're right. Our servicemen and women would probably find anarchists loathsome. However, they'd find common cause with the actual OWS movement. Do you really think our underpaid troops love unrestrained corporatism?

Keep grasping at straws. This anarchist bloc exists largely in your own imagination.
 
2011-10-28 02:58:49 PM
So what happened to 'Dissent is the highest form of patriotism?'

Or does it only count when people are protesting a muslim kenyan socialist bogeyman?
 
2011-10-28 02:58:51 PM
The police have unjustly attacked us and now we will fight back against the attempted murder of one of our own.

/Why yes, it is the 60's all over again, to gain back our freedoms that the greed and corruption of the Republicans stole from us.
 
2011-10-28 02:59:14 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Yeah! Even when there was no evidence at all that this happened!


I'm still waiting to see the evidence myself. You would think that someone filmed it, including the police, but I've yet to see anything.
 
2011-10-28 02:59:15 PM

tinyarena: TheMega: REDDIT
mikaloyd: Reddit
Person: Reddit
ThisNameSux: reddit
Barbigazi: Reddit

Oh well, since Reddit covered it already I guess there's no reason to discuss it further.
So, wadda you wanna do now?


I just bought some Warmachine minis, wanna help me paint them?.
 
2011-10-28 02:59:30 PM

pxlboy: lol they had corporate sponsorship from the "right" people from the start. there is nothing grassroots about the teatards


wrong.

/but it did happen VERY quick
 
2011-10-28 02:59:51 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: .... And as long as asshats are taking shiats in public you aren't going to see any rational people on the news.


Sadly, very sadly, this is usually the case.
 
2011-10-28 03:00:25 PM
This business is going to get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Visit your local Sky Pilot cuzz its about to get real.
Locked,cocked and ready to rock boss!
 
2011-10-28 03:00:35 PM

BroadbandGremlin: I like it when a few members of a large group claim they speak for the entire group.

On behalf of all Americans I would like to warn China that we'll be invading next week.


I love how fast that sentence made everything in my brain shut down.

I can feel things =*)
/like utter terror
 
2011-10-28 03:00:48 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Wow, just no perspective left AT ALL in this world.

Yes, the Oakland police over-reacted.

Yes, they should pay for the injury, and not hide behind some stupid "they was doing illegal stuff" argument.

HOWEVER - the Oakland police did not try to kill this guy with a teargas canister - it WAS an an accident, one they should pay for, but an accident none-the-less. Also, I'm unaware what part the banks has in injuring this guy - but we've got people ready to roll the ENTIRE OWS wish-list into this story. I'm sorry, but that is bullshiat.


If you want to assume that the police shooting Olsen wasn't intentional, that still doesn't make this an accident. Firing grenade-launched tear gas at eye level, at point blank range, isn't an accident. At best it's criminally negligent conduct resulting in personal injury, at worst (say Olson takes a turn for the worse and dies) you could easily make a case for 2nd degree Depraved Heart Murder (reckless criminal negligence resulting in death).

What the Oakland PD did doesn't qualify for "accident". Don't farking elevate their actions like that. They had NO REASON to do what they did. If they still thought CS was necessary to disperse the crowd, they could have just, say, tossed the canisters with an underhanded lob instead of breaking doctrine and shooting people in the face with them from 15 feet away.

/Why yes, IAAL
 
2011-10-28 03:01:25 PM

dothemath: I agree with the sentiment but I think the 'Occupy' protests are ineffectual and counter-productive.
I live paycheck to paycheck and have seen a pay decrease and job insecurity go to an all time high. I have basically forgotten about ever buying a house.
But the people down there shiatting in the streets and smoking weed do not represent me. There was a story out yesterday about sexual assaults that have taken place, allegedly.
I think a lot of those people are trust fund babies out to look cool.


So you're okay with cops tossing a hand grenade directly into a small crowd.
 
2011-10-28 03:01:56 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: If it did happen, if protesters were throwing rocks and bottles at police, would you agree that it was a riot

Obviously, but unless you have multiple sourced citations, (or, better yet, video) then it didn't happen.

The police claim that protesters threw rock and bottles and other things at them. Are you saying that the police are lying about that?


You do know that there is a large body of evidence that shows law enforcement to lie and or send in agent provocateurs in to crowds to incite violence. It gives them the justification to go in an clear areas and use force. This is common knowledge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
 
2011-10-28 03:02:04 PM

Cythraul:
One would hope. But our military, like any military, is very nationalistic and patriotic. I couldn't see them doing anything short of defending the establishment.


You obviously don't know one farking thing about our military, so do us all a favor and keep your retarded judgments to yourself.

/vet
 
2011-10-28 03:02:11 PM

luckyeddie: That accusation was made in the other thread - probably by you - many times. Strange that no evidence of that happening was produced. Perhaps the cops haven't had time to fabricate it yet.


Eye witnesses claim that they saw protesters throwing rocks and bottles at the police. Isn't that evidence right there?
 
2011-10-28 03:02:59 PM
I think this thread has lost focus.

It's not so much the the guy was a marine that is at issue. That just adds to the irony.

The point is, there is zero "proof" including the several videos available to all that there was a reason to have fired at head height any projectiles.

Where are the videos showing malcontent protestors posing a threat?

A few say "the cops said to disperse". Maybe the cops would have had reason to give that order if there had been civil unrest, and a potential to damage property or lives. Was that in evidence? Just following orders from the Mayor? I can understand that, and with that in mind, he should get censure from his peers and the governor. But I'm sure he didn't tell the cops to act in a reckless manner and injure the protesters.

Should people peaceably assembled to protest as supported by the constitution, be persecuted be the enforcers of the government and supporting commercial enterprises they are protesting? The people have that right. Does the government have the right to take away their rights? Not until the laws/constitution changes.

Did you watch the other video where the lifer cop choice to pepper spray the couple of women protesters directly in the face then walked away and then later stated he only sprayed towards the knee level?

I'd be the first to say "lock them up" if they were looting shops, burning cars, etc.

But treating protesters like criminals where they are just exercising their rights? No.

I'd even give the establishment credit if the protesters were interfering with the day to day business of either the local government or the local non-protesters. They are not doing that.

Right now, I say the cops (especially in Oakland) are operating at a negative in most peoples eyes across the nation. I hope they start acting in such a way that the professionalism of law enforcement stops being impacted.
 
2011-10-28 03:03:42 PM

haterade: guess he should have learned how to duck after a tour in the box. maybe he'll learn that he should have dispersed after being ordered by the police




Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

To explain why the bolded parts are important and why they were written:

The "right of the people to peaceably assemble" was frequently violated by the British in the years leading up to the American Revolution, as efforts were made to ensure that radical colonists would not be able to foment a revolutionary movement. The Bill of Rights, written as it was by revolutionaries, was intended to prevent the government from restricting future social movements.

Petitions were a more powerful tool in the revolutionary era than they are today, as they were the only direct means of "redressing ... grievances" against the government; the idea of pursuing lawsuits against unconstitutional legislation was not feasible in 1789. This being the case, the right to petition was essential to the integrity of the United States. Without it, disgruntled citizens would have no recourse but armed revolution.

OWS is, specifically, one of those "future social movements" addressed very specifically by the First Amendment that Marines like Olsen and soldiers like myself wore that uniform to defend. We gave up significant portions of our lives during which we did not have that right because while we wore that uniform, we willingly gave up that right so that jackholes like you could say and do stupid shiat such as what is quoted in the above comment, proving you haven't the first farkin clue what your rights are. People like you deserve to get hit in the head with tear gas canisters while your rights are systematically stripped from you because you don't give a shiat that Oakland PD, NYPD and others take them from you due to your ignorant apathy and blatant stupidity.

The only reason any of these protests are turning into riots is because city and state police are blatantly ignoring the Constitution - the supreme LAW of the land. Want to biatch about the rule of law, maybe you should read up on it. Soldiers and Marines do, which is why we're so farking pissed off about this shiat - because the people who are supposed to be enforcing it are not. They're enforcing... something else entirely.

Are there people stirring up trouble? Absolutely. Every crowd has bad apples. But these police blatantly violated the farking Constitution more than once, and they did it as people on scene were trying to render aid to an injured man who is now in a medically induced coma. You wanna throw shiat on someone, throw it on them, because that's where it belongs.
 
2011-10-28 03:03:47 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: fark_your_mudder: The outcome of the events is certainly regrettable, but it's not like the gas can was purposely aimed at his face. When there's hundreds of people milling about, it's not surprising that a projectile fired into the crowd might hit someone. They were told that chemical agents would be used if they didn't disperse. Also, I don't see how the fact that he's a vet has anything to do with it, other than to inflame passions. Would there be the same outrage if it was just any other protester, or would it just be "lol, look at this hippie who got nailed"?

If you saw how close he was to the line of cops when he went down, there's only two ways he could've been hit: either the cops fired the tear gas canister straight up in the air and it came back down and hit him or they fired at head-level at the crowd at very close range and he was the one it hit.

As for his status as a Marine veteran with two tours in Iraq under his belt, yes, it's important because there are people in this country who hold those who serve(d) in the military in very high regard. Certainly much higher regard than a "hippie". A few of them might look at this incident at think, "Hmm, here's a guy who I admire for his service to his country and he just took a cop's tear gas canister to the head and is now in a hospital. Maybe I might want to think twice about my opinion of these Occupy hippies because obviously, they are not all hippies."


From the 2 videos posted, there is no clear view of what happened with the firing of the canister. You can see the trail of the gas can in the air, it looks like they just fired it up there. Not being a member of the riot police myself, I don't know if this is standard protocol, but even if it was an error, the victim is still to blame for his injuries because he disobeyed repeated lawful orders. I'm not by any means saying he deserved it, only that he deserves some of the blame for his plight.

On the second point about his being a Marine, I think you're proving my point. You're basically saying that people care more about the victim because he's a vet than if he was just some random guy. It shouldn't matter if he's a vet or not. You should be just as outraged or indifferent regardless of who the person was.
 
2011-10-28 03:04:15 PM
OPD didn't need to Disperse them in the first place--any argument in favor of the police action is inherently flawed in that regard. Have you been to Oakland? Do you know how much shiat those cops should be dealing with instead?
 
2011-10-28 03:04:33 PM

King Something: So you're okay with cops tossing a hand grenade directly into a small crowd.


By 'small crowd' do you mean a crowd of babies? Then yes.
 
2011-10-28 03:04:34 PM

tinyarena: TheMega: REDDIT
mikaloyd: Reddit
Person: Reddit
ThisNameSux: reddit
Barbigazi: Reddit

Oh well, since Reddit covered it already I guess there's no reason to discuss it further.
So, wadda you wanna do now?


Do you want to play trucks?
 
2011-10-28 03:04:54 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: Vodka Zombie: SkinnyHead: Marines are required to obey the law just like everyone else. If they participate in a riot in violation of the law, they deserve what they get, just like everyone else.

Is it fun to call it a riot?

I mean, it's kind of a stretch to do so, and it's wildly dishonest, but I want to know if it's fun.

Protesters were throwing rocks and bottles at police. That's a riot.

Yeah! Even when there was no evidence at all that this happened!

If it did happen, if protesters were throwing rocks and bottles at police, would you agree that it was a riot?


We had that over in the UK 3 months ago.

We called it 'shopping'.
 
2011-10-28 03:05:33 PM

SkinnyHead: luckyeddie: That accusation was made in the other thread - probably by you - many times. Strange that no evidence of that happening was produced. Perhaps the cops haven't had time to fabricate it yet.

Eye witnesses claim that they saw protesters throwing rocks and bottles at the police. Isn't that evidence right there?


I met a guy in Oakland who claimed to be pregnant with Elvis' baby. So... If you want to use eye witness accounts to bolster your feeble argument, go right ahead. We'll laugh though.
 
2011-10-28 03:05:43 PM

MagicD: Cythraul:
One would hope. But our military, like any military, is very nationalistic and patriotic. I couldn't see them doing anything short of defending the establishment.

You obviously don't know one farking thing about our military, so do us all a favor and keep your retarded judgments to yourself.

/vet


I don't mean to be nosy but I couldn't help but read your post there. You don't think our military is patriotic? Even nationalistic to a certain extent? Zoinks!
 
2011-10-28 03:05:51 PM

MagicD: Cythraul:
One would hope. But our military, like any military, is very nationalistic and patriotic. I couldn't see them doing anything short of defending the establishment.

You obviously don't know one farking thing about our military, so do us all a favor and keep your retarded judgments to yourself.

/vet


Awww, did I hurt your feelings?
 
2011-10-28 03:06:04 PM

haterade: guess he should have learned how to duck after a tour in the box. maybe he'll learn that he should have dispersed after being ordered by the police


[www.mediabistro.com image 640x480]

does not look like a marine

/hot


I know, I can't see the uniform or the gun. I just trust that it is there.
 
2011-10-28 03:06:07 PM

dothemath: Noticeably F.A.T.: dothemath: But the people down there shiatting in the streets and smoking weed do not represent me.

I kinda doubt they are the majority, but 'Clean-Cut Sane Man Makes Reasonable Argument' doesn't sell papers quite like 'Dirty Hippie Pops A Squat On A Cop Car'. And as long as asshats are taking shiats in public you aren't going to see any rational people on the news.

Im sure the street shiatters do not represent the majority but it certainly doesnt help their image. I think that a lot of people are just looking for an excuse to go yell in the street.
I dont have time for that shiat because im trying to hold on to the job im lucky to have for as long as possible.


What you said.
 
2011-10-28 03:06:25 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The best way to defend our freedom is to vote every damned last congressman and senator out of office and replace them with decent human beings, and then demand that the legalized bribery of our government is once again outlawed. Short of that, nothing is going to change.


You mean camping in public parks isn't a good way to influence public policy? Who would have guessed?
 
2011-10-28 03:06:28 PM

Aigoo: haterade: guess he should have learned how to duck after a tour in the box. maybe he'll learn that he should have dispersed after being ordered by the police

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

To explain why the bolded parts are important and why they were written:

The "right of the people to peaceably assemble" was frequently violated by the British in the years leading up to the American Revolution, as efforts were made to ensure that radical colonists would not be able to foment a revolutionary movement. The Bill of Rights, written as it was by revolutionaries, was intended to prevent the government from restricting future social movements.

Petitions were a more powerful tool in the revolutionary era than they are today, as they were the only direct means of "redressing ... grievances" against the government; the idea of pursuing lawsuits against unconstitutional legislation was not feasible in 1789. This being the case, the right to petition was essential to the integrity of the United States. Without it, disgruntled citizens would have no recourse but armed revolution.

OWS is, specifically, one of those "future social movements" addressed very specifically by the First Amendment that Marines like Olsen and soldiers like myself wore that uniform to defend. We gave up significant portions of our lives during which we did not have that right because while we wore that uniform, we willingly gave up that right so that jackholes like you could say and do stupid shiat such as what is quoted in the above comment, proving you haven't the first farkin clue what your rights are. People like you deserve to get hit in the head with tear gas canisters while your rights are systematically stripped from you because you don't give a shiat that Oakland PD, NYPD and others take them from you due to your ignorant apathy and blatant stupidity.

The only reason any of these protests are turning into riots is because city and state police are blatantly ignoring the Constitution - the supreme LAW of the land. Want to biatch about the rule of law, maybe you should read up on it. Soldiers and Marines do, which is why we're so farking pissed off about this shiat - because the people who are supposed to be enforcing it are not. They're enforcing... something else entirely.

Are there people stirring up trouble? Absolutely. Every crowd has bad apples. But these police blatantly violated the farking Constitution more than once, and they did it as people on scene were trying to render aid to an injured man who is now in a medically induced coma. You wanna throw shiat on someone, throw it on them, because that's where it belongs.


The police successfully petitioned Congress to establish a law that infringed on our rights to peacefully assemble? Weird, why wasn't that in the article?
 
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