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(Baseball Reference) Hero It's official: According to WPA statistic, David Freese is now the greatest postseason hero of all time. OF ALL TIME   (baseball-reference.com) divider line 143
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2011-10-28 12:36:09 PM
WRONG!!

its Tim Tebow.
 
2011-10-28 12:56:26 PM
No way. Obviously, Peyton Manning is the best post-season hero of all time. Even from the bench, he's destined for another MVP award!


/amidoinitright?
//manning face
 
2011-10-28 01:13:52 PM
I love that ARod is on that list and Jeter isn't.
 
2011-10-28 01:21:09 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: WRONG!!

its Tim Tebow.


Nope! Chuck Testa.
 
2011-10-28 01:33:50 PM
Didn't Freese post a big E on board last night as well?
 
2011-10-28 01:46:01 PM
jonjr215: Didn't Freese post a big E on board last night as well?

Like he has a hole in his glove.
 
2011-10-28 01:50:06 PM
www.sp2010hosting.com
Ice to see you!
 
2011-10-28 01:50:11 PM
mitchcumstein1: and Jeter isn't.

Nope, he's just the postseason leader in Hits, Runs Scored, Total Bases, Doubles, and singles; 3rd in Triples, Homeruns; 4th in RBIs, 5th in BB, and 6th in Steals.

He's also 1st in strikeouts.
 
2011-10-28 01:53:03 PM
Berkman. Dude is carrying the team right now. They should have pitched to Pujols, not Berkman. Game over, World Series in the bag, etc
 
2011-10-28 01:55:30 PM
jonjr215: Didn't Freese post a big E on board last night as well?

And it could have been two if one of the drops wasn't in foul territory. Plus his triple should have been caught to end the game in the 9th which would have left him with an 0-3 and one walk.
 
2011-10-28 01:55:34 PM
bhcompy: Berkman. Dude is carrying the team right now. They should have pitched to Pujols, not Berkman. Game over, World Series in the bag, etc

He is listed as #4 all time on that list.
 
2011-10-28 01:55:37 PM
mlb.mlb.com

/been done
 
2011-10-28 01:56:16 PM
CavalierEternal: The Stealth Hippopotamus: WRONG!!

its Tim Tebow.

Nope! Chuck Testa.


guymanningham.com

I'ma let you finish, but Steve Nebraska was the greatest postseason hero of all time.
 
2011-10-28 01:56:55 PM
Buster Olney called that the greatest game in baseball history. A great, great game, yes. But no game with five errors is the greatest game. Sloppy start, fantastic finish.
 
2011-10-28 01:57:43 PM
satanorsanta: And it could have been two if one of the drops wasn't in foul territory

You can't get an error for dropping a ball in foul play?
 
2011-10-28 01:58:17 PM
I personally walk the potential winning run on board in order to attack the team's hottest hitter, the guy who bats in the cleanup spot. Then I play to avoid losing with a one-run lead, a one-game lead, and one out to go in the game, rather than playing to try to keep the other team from scoring.

/I watch baseball to watch the best talent in the world get run by exceedingly incompetent managers and fail in large part because of them
 
2011-10-28 01:59:41 PM
satanorsanta: jonjr215: Didn't Freese post a big E on board last night as well?

And it could have been two if one of the drops wasn't in foul territory. Plus his triple should have been caught to end the game in the 9th which would have left him with an 0-3 and one walk.


you-mad.com
 
2011-10-28 02:00:03 PM
Yeah but what's his ESPN QBR stat?
 
2011-10-28 02:00:46 PM
IAmRight: I personally walk the potential winning run on board in order to attack the team's hottest hitter, the guy who bats in the cleanup spot. Then I play to avoid losing with a one-run lead, a one-game lead, and one out to go in the game, rather than playing to try to keep the other team from scoring.

/I watch baseball to watch the best talent in the world get run by exceedingly incompetent managers and fail in large part because of them


That might have been the most obvious spot for an intentional walk of all time.
 
2011-10-28 02:01:58 PM
WTF Indeed: mitchcumstein1: and Jeter isn't.

Nope, he's just the postseason leader in Hits, Runs Scored, Total Bases, Doubles, and singles; 3rd in Triples, Homeruns; 4th in RBIs, 5th in BB, and 6th in Steals.

He's also 1st in strikeouts.


If you play in the most games, and get the most at bats, you're bound have those stats.

Not bad mouthing Jeter, just saying it's humorous, relax.
 
2011-10-28 02:02:17 PM
srhp29: satanorsanta: And it could have been two if one of the drops wasn't in foul territory

You can't get an error for dropping a ball in foul play?


Yes, you can. Any play you don't make with "normal effort" should be an error, fair or foul.
 
2011-10-28 02:02:44 PM
Jim from Saint Paul: [mlb.mlb.com image 275x235]

/been done


And in the greatest World Series ever, no less.
 
2011-10-28 02:03:00 PM
ChrisDe: But no game with five errors is the greatest game. Sloppy start, fantastic finish.

If you watched that game and didn't think it was one of the greatest games ever played then I don't know how you enjoy sports.
 
2011-10-28 02:03:58 PM
I thought it was BRETT FAVRE
 
2011-10-28 02:04:08 PM
WTF Indeed: ChrisDe: But no game with five errors is the greatest game. Sloppy start, fantastic finish.

If you watched that game and didn't think it was one of the greatest games ever played then I don't know how you enjoy sports.


As I said, it was a great, game game. Not "the greatest".
 
2011-10-28 02:04:10 PM
ChrisDe: srhp29: satanorsanta: And it could have been two if one of the drops wasn't in foul territory

You can't get an error for dropping a ball in foul play?

Yes, you can. Any play you don't make with "normal effort" should be an error, fair or foul.


That's what I thought. I thought maybe a missed an official scoring rule change.
 
2011-10-28 02:06:45 PM
srhp29: That might have been the most obvious spot for an intentional walk of all time.

Meh, how many times does the IBB to get to another great hitter work well? I don't remember it ever working out well.

/wanted nothing more than to see Pujols ground out to end the WS
 
2011-10-28 02:12:06 PM
Jim from Saint Paul: /been done

I still wonder why twins fans champion an abuser of women

Also it sucks to see Michael tucker at 7, killing the ball but for some unknown reason bobby cox leaves him on the bench the very next game. I am so glad bobby cox is gone.
 
2011-10-28 02:12:39 PM
TheOtherOne79: bhcompy: Berkman. Dude is carrying the team right now. They should have pitched to Pujols, not Berkman. Game over, World Series in the bag, etc

He is listed as #4 all time on that list.


Coulda should woulda

Yankees fan
 
2011-10-28 02:13:36 PM
I guess his Action PlaysTM stat was huge.
 
2011-10-28 02:15:28 PM
srhp29: That might have been the most obvious spot for an intentional walk of all time.

Pujols: .260 WS with 1 great game and 4 bad ones
Berkman: .435 WS with 4 good to great games and no bad ones

Pitcher: Righty

Advantage: Berkman

Pitch to Pujols, win the World Series
 
2011-10-28 02:19:34 PM
bhcompy: srhp29: That might have been the most obvious spot for an intentional walk of all time.

Pujols: .260 WS with 1 great game and 4 bad ones
Berkman: .435 WS with 4 good to great games and no bad ones

Pitcher: Righty

Advantage: Berkman

Pitch to Pujols, win the World Series


Totally. Automatic out.

Because looking at a small sample size when comparing one of the greatest hitters of all time to the guy batting behind him makes all kinds of sense. But you are right, it's not like Pujols has ever had a big hit in his career.
 
2011-10-28 02:20:36 PM
mitchcumstein1: I love that ARod is on that list and Jeter isn't.

I came here to note that ARod is on the list for an LDS against the Twins. Thats a penalty flag in my book.

There are six players with 3 ab or less that achieved higher than A-Rod. I dont know whether to laugh at A-Rod or wonder what the hell is going on with this chart.
 
2011-10-28 02:20:59 PM
bhcompy: srhp29: That might have been the most obvious spot for an intentional walk of all time.

Pujols: .260 WS with 1 great game and 4 bad ones
Berkman: .435 WS with 4 good to great games and no bad ones

Pitcher: Righty

Advantage: Berkman

Pitch to Pujols, win the World Series


Sorry, I don't let maybe the greatest right handed hitter ever beat me. I go after Berkman.
 
2011-10-28 02:21:55 PM
VvonderJesus: Jim from Saint Paul: [mlb.mlb.com image 275x235]

/been done

And in the greatest World Series ever, no less.


Why yes, it was Kirby's 3rd RBI of the night with a walk off homerun in game 6 of the world series, why do you ask?

Oh he did it on defense that night too.
(you could skip to :36, however if you ever liked Kirby Puckett you'll like the whole thing)

cdn.bleacherreport.net
 
2011-10-28 02:22:57 PM
srhp29: ChrisDe: srhp29: satanorsanta: And it could have been two if one of the drops wasn't in foul territory

You can't get an error for dropping a ball in foul play?

Yes, you can. Any play you don't make with "normal effort" should be an error, fair or foul.

That's what I thought. I thought maybe a missed an official scoring rule change.


It was a tough play (new window) but he dropped it before it hit the railing

/Phillies Fan
//no horse in the race
 
2011-10-28 02:25:58 PM
mathmatix: mitchcumstein1: I love that ARod is on that list and Jeter isn't.

I came here to note that ARod is on the list for an LDS against the Twins. Thats a penalty flag in my book.

There are six players with 3 ab or less that achieved higher than A-Rod. I dont know whether to laugh at A-Rod or wonder what the hell is going on with this chart.


There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
 
2011-10-28 02:27:57 PM
steamingpile: Jim from Saint Paul: /been done

I still wonder why twins fans champion an abuser of women

Also it sucks to see Michael tucker at 7, killing the ball but for some unknown reason bobby cox leaves him on the bench the very next game. I am so glad bobby cox is gone
I am a Braves fan and am still angry at Kent Hrbek.


It's how I read it anyway.

;)

The whole story with that chick in the bathroom seemed bullshiat from the start. The one where he pushed his girlfiriend, I totally believe that though. Not cool. Hopefully he got the help he needed after that.
 
2011-10-28 02:28:00 PM
Baseball sucks.

Its hockey and football season.
 
2011-10-28 02:29:27 PM
mitchcumstein1: bhcompy: srhp29: That might have been the most obvious spot for an intentional walk of all time.

Pujols: .260 WS with 1 great game and 4 bad ones
Berkman: .435 WS with 4 good to great games and no bad ones

Pitcher: Righty

Advantage: Berkman

Pitch to Pujols, win the World Series

Sorry, I don't let maybe the greatest right handed hitter ever beat me. I go after Berkman.


I have to agree to an extent. Pujols walk was absolutely the right move and anyone saying "world series over" didnt pay attention to Albert's at bat in the 9th inning, you know when he doubled to the wall to get on base and eventually score a run in a game tying rally. I have to agree that you walk Albert, but in retrospect, I'm looking more now at loading the bases and putting Berkman on, since he's been unstoppable this postseason.

That being said, I cannot fault Washington for his moves last night, he was doing everything he could with what was left on his bench. The only thing I would question would be using Holland. Other than that, he did most everything he could.
 
2011-10-28 02:31:35 PM
But does Baby Jeebus talk to him like he does Josh Hamilton?
 
2011-10-28 02:34:09 PM
mitchcumstein1:

Sorry, I don't let maybe the greatest right handed hitter ever beat me. I go after Berkman.

With either Pujols or Berkman, to me it's a push who you face. I go straight for the platoon split and I take the R/R matchup instead of L/R. Berkman is weaker from the RH side so if I had a LHP in, I BB Pujols everyday to face Berkman. However, with Feldman pitching, I want him facing the RH in that situation. Make him beat you. If he does, you lose, but at least you don't put the winning run on 1B.
 
2011-10-28 02:35:04 PM
srhp29: Because looking at a small sample size when comparing one of the greatest hitters of all time to the guy batting behind him makes all kinds of sense. But you are right, it's not like Pujols has ever had a big hit in his career.

By IBBing him, you're telling your pitcher that you don't think he can get one out. Then you have him pitch to the Cards' best hitter in the series, who is now going to take the IBB to get to him personally, and you're going righty on lefty.

Playing not to lose makes you a loser, and that's what Washington did with every step right there. Being afraid of the other team seeps into everyone's mind.

If I'm a manager, I want my team to take on their best. So it's Albert f*cking Pujols. He still gets out around 70 percent of the time. And then to drop into "no doubles" defense? That's the f*cking prevent defense of MLB, man!

He had a game lead and a run lead, he could afford to just reach out and say "f*ck you, Cardinals, I'm choking you out." Instead, he chose to be afraid of the team that had all the pressure on it.
 
2011-10-28 02:37:24 PM
NU41: However, with Feldman pitching, I want him facing the RH in that situation. Make him beat you. If he does, you lose, but at least you don't put the winning run on 1B.

And if he does, f*ck it, you didn't shrink from the moment. You went at it, showed your team that you have confidence in them, and you still have a Game 7 to go.

Now you've told your team that you don't believe they can hold a lead, AND you now have two more guys that they don't want to face in an important situation.
 
2011-10-28 02:38:34 PM
Hitting straight to Freese has been an almost guaranteed hit in the WS...
 
2011-10-28 02:40:59 PM
IAmRight: srhp29: Because looking at a small sample size when comparing one of the greatest hitters of all time to the guy batting behind him makes all kinds of sense. But you are right, it's not like Pujols has ever had a big hit in his career.

By IBBing him, you're telling your pitcher that you don't think he can get one out. Then you have him pitch to the Cards' best hitter in the series, who is now going to take the IBB to get to him personally, and you're going righty on lefty.

Playing not to lose makes you a loser, and that's what Washington did with every step right there. Being afraid of the other team seeps into everyone's mind.

If I'm a manager, I want my team to take on their best. So it's Albert f*cking Pujols. He still gets out around 70 percent of the time. And then to drop into "no doubles" defense? That's the f*cking prevent defense of MLB, man!

He had a game lead and a run lead, he could afford to just reach out and say "f*ck you, Cardinals, I'm choking you out." Instead, he chose to be afraid of the team that had all the pressure on it.


Pujols had a better average vs righties this year, but hey don't let more facts get in the way of a terrible argument.

And yeah, base your decision on 5+ games. That's a great sample size you got going there.

Had he pitched to Pujols and Pujols beat him, the 2nd guessers would be saying..."how do you pitch to that guy in that spot"...
 
2011-10-28 02:43:01 PM
srhp29: Had he pitched to Pujols and Pujols beat him, the 2nd guessers would be saying..."how do you pitch to that guy in that spot"...

No one gives a sh*t about second guessers outside of your locker room. You just told your team that you don't believe in them with one out to go before you would've won a World Series.
 
2011-10-28 02:44:31 PM
mitchcumstein1: mathmatix: mitchcumstein1: I love that ARod is on that list and Jeter isn't.

I came here to note that ARod is on the list for an LDS against the Twins. Thats a penalty flag in my book.

There are six players with 3 ab or less that achieved higher than A-Rod. I dont know whether to laugh at A-Rod or wonder what the hell is going on with this chart.

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.


The chart is all about Win Probability Added, where late hits have a greater effect, especially when behind. Gibson's 1988 walk-off was first on the list before and that was his only AB of the game. It was on top because that one hit brought the Dodgers from a 13% chance of winning the game to 100%, hence the WPA of 0.87.
 
2011-10-28 02:45:58 PM
omegaminus: The chart is all about Win Probability Added, where late hits have a greater effect, especially when behind. Gibson's 1988 walk-off was first on the list before and that was his only AB of the game. It was on top because that one hit brought the Dodgers from a 13% chance of winning the game to 100%, hence the WPA of 0.87.

It's pretty tits when you come in cold and bang out a game-winning HR from a position of "about to lose against the (at the time) greatest closer in the game."
 
2011-10-28 02:47:45 PM
IAmRight: omegaminus: The chart is all about Win Probability Added, where late hits have a greater effect, especially when behind. Gibson's 1988 walk-off was first on the list before and that was his only AB of the game. It was on top because that one hit brought the Dodgers from a 13% chance of winning the game to 100%, hence the WPA of 0.87.

It's pretty tits when you come in cold and bang out a game-winning HR from a position of "about to lose against the (at the time) greatest closer in the game."


Cold and barley able to walk. That was hardcore.
 
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