rick perry should be in jail for conspiracy to murder cameron todd willing ham. yet he could be the GOP nominee for president. what a world we live in, huh?

willingham, obviously.

I'm more concerned about unwilling ham.

It sounds cruel, but tasty.

He should allow the testing just to be sure.

This is just a libtard attack on someone who always errs on the side of life.

I ate a willing ham once. It was tasty but I prefer a struggle and possibly a knife fight before enjoying delicious pig meat.

"No, sir. I've never struggled with that at all. The state of Texas has a very thoughtful, a very clear process in place of which -- when someone commits the most heinous of crimes against our citizens, they get a fair hearing, they go through an appellate process, they go up to the Supreme Court of the United States, if that's required.

Of course he assumes they're all guilty first.

FlashHarry: rick perry should be in jail for conspiracy to murder cameron todd willing ham. yet he could be the GOP nominee for president. what a world we live in, huh?

I watched the Frontline special about that case the other night and I am ashamed to admit that I was surprised by how the people involved are so sure of themselves that he was guilty despite facts to the contrary. The essence of the arguments seem to be that he was a dirtbag asshole so therefore he had to be guilty.

/thought I was more cynical than that. Guess I need to listen to more AM talk radio, but every time I do I have the growing urge to just say fark it and drive the car into an guardrail instead of continuing to live on this planet.

He's for government so small that it can be injected through a needle.

StanTheMan: NuttierThanEver: I watched the Frontline special about that case the other night and I am ashamed to admit that I was surprised by how the people involved are so sure of themselves that he was guilty despite facts to the contrary. The essence of the arguments seem to be that he was a dirtbag asshole so therefore he had to be guilty

Right, Frontline, fair-and-balanced reporting, none of the usual liberal PBS bias on that show. Whatever they say is Gospel.

In June 2009 the State of Texas ordered an unprecedented[citation needed] re-examination of the case. In August 2009, eighteen years after the fire and five years after Willingham's execution, a report conducted by Dr. Craig Beyler, hired by the Texas Forensic Science Commission to review the case, found that "a finding of arson could not be sustained". Beyler said that key testimony from a fire marshal at Willingham's trial was "hardly consistent with a scientific mind-set and is more characteristic of mystics or psychics".[1][2]

The prosecutor, John Jackson, and the City of Corsicana have both released formal responses to the Beyler Report on the investigation of the fire that killed Willingham's three children at the behest of the Texas Forensic Science Commission.[31] Both were sharply critical of Beyler.[10] In a 2009 article discussing the reasons why Willingham was found guilty, Jackson recalled witness statements established that Willingham was overheard whispering to his deceased older daughter at the funeral home, "You're not the one who was supposed to die." Jackson stated that Willingham's comment was an indicator of guilt. In a rebuttal David Grann wrote, "If the arson investigators had concluded there was no scientific evidence that a crime had occurred-as the top fire investigators in the country have now determined-Willingham's words at the funeral would surely be viewed as a sign that he was tormented by the fact that he had survived without saving his children."[20]

An August 2009 Chicago Tribune investigative article concluded: "Over the past five years, the Willingham case has been reviewed by nine of the nation's top fire scientists-first for the Tribune, then for the Innocence Project, and now for the commission. All concluded that the original investigators relied on outdated theories and folklore to justify the determination of arson. The only other evidence of significance against Willingham was twice-recanted testimony[1] by another inmate who testified that Willingham had confessed to him. Jailhouse snitches are viewed with skepticism in the justice system, so much so that some jurisdictions have restrictions against their use."[32]

The Texas Forensic Science Commission was scheduled to discuss the report by Beyler at a meeting on October 2, 2009, but two days before the meeting Texas Governor Rick Perry replaced the chair of the commission and two other members. The new chair canceled the meeting-sparking accusations that Perry was interfering with the investigation[4] and using it for his own political advantage.[33]

In October 2009, the city of Corsicana released two affidavits that included statements from Ronnie Kuykendall, the former brother-in-law of Willingham, originally made in 2004. According to the affidavits, Willingham's ex-wife had told Ronnie that Willingham had confessed to her that he had set the fire. Stacy herself told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram on October 25, 2009[34] that during a final prison meeting just weeks before he was put to death Willingham admitted setting the fire, as a response to Stacy's alleged threats of divorce the night before.[35] Journalists familiar with the case noted that Stacy Kuykendall's statement explicitly contradicted previous comments, legal testimony, and numerous published interviews before and after the execution.[36] This was also noted by Willingham's prosecutor, who said "It's hard for me to make heads or tails of anything she said or didn't say."[37] For example, Kuykendall had earlier in 2009 supported her 2004 contradiction of her brother's affidavit (saying that there had been no confession), and had previously always maintained that things had been amicable between her and Willingham before the fire.[35] In 2010, she declared, "Todd murdered Amber, Karmon and Kameron. He burnt them. He admitted he burnt them to me, and he was convicted for his crime. That is the closest to justice that my daughters will ever get."[38]

A four-person panel of the Texas Forensic Science Commission investigating evidence of arson presented in the case acknowledged on July 23, 2010, that state and local arson investigators used "flawed science" in determining the blaze had been deliberately set. It also found insufficient evidence to prove that state Deputy Fire Marshal Manuel Vasquez and Corsicana Assistant Fire Chief Douglas Fogg were negligent or guilty of misconduct in their arson work.[39]



/yep facts have a liberal bias

StanTheMan: NuttierThanEver: I watched the Frontline special about that case the other night and I am ashamed to admit that I was surprised by how the people involved are so sure of themselves that he was guilty despite facts to the contrary. The essence of the arguments seem to be that he was a dirtbag asshole so therefore he had to be guilty

Right, Frontline, fair-and-balanced reporting, none of the usual liberal PBS bias on that show. Whatever they say is Gospel.

You're trying too hard.

D-

Stay after class.

You liberal pussies will never understand. It takes balls to execute and innocent man.

Neondistraction: StanTheMan: Nice to see one executive actually following popular will. 70% of Americans support the death penalty.

Why do you hate democracy, liberals?

2/10. Might get some bites, but needs work.

He'll get bites, alright...in the pool of worthless farks already on my iggie list.

StanTheMan: Nice to see one executive actually following popular will. 70% of Americans support the death penalty.

Why do you hate democracy, liberals?

60% of Americans don't know when or he to stop filling their pie-hole and ending up as land-whales, not chewing with their mouth open, or mastering the technical complexities of shoelaces and belts.

I have little faith my fellow American to understand anything more complex than the user niter face of a toilet.

StanTheMan: NuttierThanEver: I watched the Frontline special about that case the other night and I am ashamed to admit that I was surprised by how the people involved are so sure of themselves that he was guilty despite facts to the contrary. The essence of the arguments seem to be that he was a dirtbag asshole so therefore he had to be guilty

Right, Frontline, fair-and-balanced reporting, none of the usual liberal PBS bias on that show. Whatever they say is Gospel.

Okaaay. You're a troll. We get it.

James Richard Perry Wetmore, did you remember to wet the sponge?

Henry Skinner, 49, has been convicted of the 1993 deaths of his girlfriend and her two sons in Pampa, Texas. Skinner, according to the Houston Chronicle, has said that he was too intoxicated with alcohol and codeine to have committed the crime.

Wow! With a defense like that, it's hard to see why Perry doesn't just release him and give him a big settlement check.

lennavan: fireside68: Neondistraction: StanTheMan: Nice to see one executive actually following popular will. 70% of Americans support the death penalty.

Why do you hate democracy, liberals?

2/10. Might get some bites, but needs work.

He'll get bites, alright...in the pool of worthless farks already on my iggie list.

I think today might be the day I start an ignore list. I mean, I've been on Fark for years and have never ignored a troll. I mean, it's one thing to troll, that's fine I guess, Fark.com doesn't care enough to do anything about it so whatever. But this isn't just trolling. This is like trolling while holding up an enormous sign saying "I AM TROLLING."

His post reads like this:

StanTheMan: Nice to see one executive actually following popular will I AM TROLLING. 70% of Americans support the LULZ I AM TROLLING death penalty.

Why do you hate I AM TROLLING democracy, liberals LOLOLOL I TROLL U?



I think we need to start making the distinction between trolling and thread-shiatting. Trolling used to be subtle. The joy that the troll got was that no one KNEW he was just saying shiat to elicit a response. I assume the joy was in getting someone riled up about a topic you did not really care about. But trolling has become obvious and corny . This kind of trolling should be called what it is...a threadshiat.

StanTheMan: Well, I guess we've found one of those liberals who hates dissenting views as well as democracy.

Liberals: Ban, censor, silence, shout people down, cover your ears, scream "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!". Anything but hear something that differs from your worldview.

Naw, I'm not one of those, champ. The ignore list is for pussies. I don't mind it. I just scroll right past you.