Of course, Apple took 1 million pre orders for the 4S in the first 24 hours (new window), so it's unlikely that things will shake out the same this quarter.

fo_sho!
Of course, Apple took 1 million pre orders for the 4S in the first 24 hours (new window), so it's unlikely that things will shake out the same this quarter.

Aren't pre-orders like contract pricing or Hertz rent a car saying to "GM we will buy X many vehicles from you" but in the phone world?

Why the hell does it matter? I have an iPhone4 but I didn't buy it because of the marketshare or because I must have everything Apple makes. The phone does all I need it to do thus I bought it.

Foxconn?

"Siri, talk dirty to me."

"I am not that kind of personal assistant."

"Siri, give my undercarriage a bit of a how's your father."

"I'm sorry?"

Yes, if by good "good" you mean "the same poo flinging, dick waving contest that occurs several times every day here".

on topic: It is not at all surprising to me that Apple is being outsold by a company that provides a much wider range of products. I like my iPhone, but I didn't have much choice as to what particular feature set I wanted when I bought it.

Random Anonymous Blackmail: fo_sho!
Of course, Apple took 1 million pre orders for the 4S in the first 24 hours (new window), so it's unlikely that things will shake out the same this quarter.

Aren't pre-orders like contract pricing or Hertz rent a car saying to "GM we will buy X many vehicles from you" but in the phone world?

No - those were customer pre orders placed with Apple and the various carriers.


Not like I really care who is the biggest seller. They're all selling incredible numbers of cool devices. Competition is good.

fo_sho!: Random Anonymous Blackmail: fo_sho!
Of course, Apple took 1 million pre orders for the 4S in the first 24 hours (new window), so it's unlikely that things will shake out the same this quarter.

Aren't pre-orders like contract pricing or Hertz rent a car saying to "GM we will buy X many vehicles from you" but in the phone world?

No - those were customer pre orders placed with Apple and the various carriers.


Not like I really care who is the biggest seller. They're all selling incredible numbers of cool devices. Competition is good.

This. Devices which would have seemed magical 15 years ago are within the range of easy affordability for most Americans. Who cares what's most popular?

SoothinglyDeranged: Samsung?

*Clicks the link*

Samsung.

If this is true (DRTFA), what of the fact that Samsung's phone software is farking terrible? Do people not even take this into account?

bingethinker: Aren't pre-orders like contract pricing or Hertz rent a car saying to "GM we will buy X many vehicles from you" but in the phone world?

Look at the iHater, trying to retcon the meaning of pre-order. These are real purchases by consumers, unlike those Android tablets that ship a million, and sell ten thousand.

Samsung OUTSOLD Apple. What part of that don't you get? Even with all your little preorders factored in, you lost. Who cares if you had 1 or a trillion pre-orders. The stats presented are for the entire quarter.

bingethinker: Aren't pre-orders like contract pricing or Hertz rent a car saying to "GM we will buy X many vehicles from you" but in the phone world?

Look at the iHater, trying to retcon the meaning of pre-order. These are real purchases by consumers, unlike those Android tablets that ship a million, and sell ten thousand.

Also there's a difference between shipping and selling, a mistake subby impressively avoids making. The linked Bloomberg article states that Samsung lead in "sales," however what Samsung lead in was estimated shipments and Samsung refuses to state its sales. Interestingly, Samsung's profits also dropped almost 25%. It is hard to have your profits drop while your sales increase. On the other hand it is very easy to have your profits drop because you are clogging the channel with shipped product that people aren't buying.

T.rex: bingethinker: Aren't pre-orders like contract pricing or Hertz rent a car saying to "GM we will buy X many vehicles from you" but in the phone world?

Look at the iHater, trying to retcon the meaning of pre-order. These are real purchases by consumers, unlike those Android tablets that ship a million, and sell ten thousand.

Samsung OUTSOLD Apple. What part of that don't you get? Even with all your little preorders factored in, you lost. Who cares if you had 1 or a trillion pre-orders. The stats presented are for the entire quarter.

Ladies, ladies, calm down. You're both pretty.

wozzeck: bingethinker: Aren't pre-orders like contract pricing or Hertz rent a car saying to "GM we will buy X many vehicles from you" but in the phone world?

Look at the iHater, trying to retcon the meaning of pre-order. These are real purchases by consumers, unlike those Android tablets that ship a million, and sell ten thousand.

Also there's a difference between shipping and selling, a mistake subby impressively avoids making. The linked Bloomberg article states that Samsung lead in "sales," however what Samsung lead in was estimated shipments and Samsung refuses to state its sales. Interestingly, Samsung's profits also dropped almost 25%. It is hard to have your profits drop while your sales increase. On the other hand it is very easy to have your profits drop because you are clogging the channel with shipped product that people aren't buying.

Samsung, as an electronics conglomerate, had a decline in profits - mostly from falling sales in semiconductor and flat-panel TV sectors. Smartphones helped offset those losses.

[citation provided]

Enuratique: wozzeck: bingethinker: Aren't pre-orders like contract pricing or Hertz rent a car saying to "GM we will buy X many vehicles from you" but in the phone world?

Look at the iHater, trying to retcon the meaning of pre-order. These are real purchases by consumers, unlike those Android tablets that ship a million, and sell ten thousand.

Also there's a difference between shipping and selling, a mistake subby impressively avoids making. The linked Bloomberg article states that Samsung lead in "sales," however what Samsung lead in was estimated shipments and Samsung refuses to state its sales. Interestingly, Samsung's profits also dropped almost 25%. It is hard to have your profits drop while your sales increase. On the other hand it is very easy to have your profits drop because you are clogging the channel with shipped product that people aren't buying.

Samsung, as an electronics conglomerate, had a decline in profits - mostly from falling sales in semiconductor and flat-panel TV sectors. Smartphones helped offset those losses.

[citation provided]

And from the same article:

Samsung spokesman Nam Ki-yung wouldn't comment on whether Samsung had passed Apple in smartphone sales, saying the company no longer provides its sales figures for handsets.

So anyone yelling in all caps Samsung OUTSOLD Apple doesn't really know what they're talking about--there's no way of knowing, from the numbers Samsung's released, whether they've old sold anyone, or whether they've put a lot of phones in stores in the 3rd quarter that they're hoping will sell in the 4th.

As I mentioned, subby managed to avoid confusing shipping and selling by avoiding the issue. Bloomberg didn't, and some of the people posting here can't seem to tell the difference either.

T.rex: bingethinker: Aren't pre-orders like contract pricing or Hertz rent a car saying to "GM we will buy X many vehicles from you" but in the phone world?

Look at the iHater, trying to retcon the meaning of pre-order. These are real purchases by consumers, unlike those Android tablets that ship a million, and sell ten thousand.

Samsung OUTSOLD Apple. What part of that don't you get? Even with all your little preorders factored in, you lost. Who cares if you had 1 or a trillion pre-orders. The stats presented are for the entire quarter.

You were fapping as you typed that. I can tell by the pixels.

wozzeck: Enuratique: wozzeck: bingethinker: Aren't pre-orders like contract pricing or Hertz rent a car saying to "GM we will buy X many vehicles from you" but in the phone world?

Look at the iHater, trying to retcon the meaning of pre-order. These are real purchases by consumers, unlike those Android tablets that ship a million, and sell ten thousand.

Also there's a difference between shipping and selling, a mistake subby impressively avoids making. The linked Bloomberg article states that Samsung lead in "sales," however what Samsung lead in was estimated shipments and Samsung refuses to state its sales. Interestingly, Samsung's profits also dropped almost 25%. It is hard to have your profits drop while your sales increase. On the other hand it is very easy to have your profits drop because you are clogging the channel with shipped product that people aren't buying.

Samsung, as an electronics conglomerate, had a decline in profits - mostly from falling sales in semiconductor and flat-panel TV sectors. Smartphones helped offset those losses.

[citation provided]

And from the same article:

Samsung spokesman Nam Ki-yung wouldn't comment on whether Samsung had passed Apple in smartphone sales, saying the company no longer provides its sales figures for handsets.

So anyone yelling in all caps Samsung OUTSOLD Apple doesn't really know what they're talking about--there's no way of knowing, from the numbers Samsung's released, whether they've old sold anyone, or whether they've put a lot of phones in stores in the 3rd quarter that they're hoping will sell in the 4th.

As I mentioned, subby managed to avoid confusing shipping and selling by avoiding the issue. Bloomberg didn't, and some of the people posting here can't seem to tell the difference either.

I understand what you're saying but to insinuate a drop in sales is tantamount to channel stuffing is a bit much.

Enuratique: wozzeck: Enuratique: wozzeck: bingethinker: Aren't pre-orders like contract pricing or Hertz rent a car saying to "GM we will buy X many vehicles from you" but in the phone world?

Look at the iHater, trying to retcon the meaning of pre-order. These are real purchases by consumers, unlike those Android tablets that ship a million, and sell ten thousand.

Also there's a difference between shipping and selling, a mistake subby impressively avoids making. The linked Bloomberg article states that Samsung lead in "sales," however what Samsung lead in was estimated shipments and Samsung refuses to state its sales. Interestingly, Samsung's profits also dropped almost 25%. It is hard to have your profits drop while your sales increase. On the other hand it is very easy to have your profits drop because you are clogging the channel with shipped product that people aren't buying.

Samsung, as an electronics conglomerate, had a decline in profits - mostly from falling sales in semiconductor and flat-panel TV sectors. Smartphones helped offset those losses.

[citation provided]

And from the same article:

Samsung spokesman Nam Ki-yung wouldn't comment on whether Samsung had passed Apple in smartphone sales, saying the company no longer provides its sales figures for handsets.

So anyone yelling in all caps Samsung OUTSOLD Apple doesn't really know what they're talking about--there's no way of knowing, from the numbers Samsung's released, whether they've old sold anyone, or whether they've put a lot of phones in stores in the 3rd quarter that they're hoping will sell in the 4th.

As I mentioned, subby managed to avoid confusing shipping and selling by avoiding the issue. Bloomberg didn't, and some of the people posting here can't seem to tell the difference either.

I understand what you're saying but to insinuate a drop in sales is tantamount to channel stuffing is a bit much.

Drop in profit I mean

Predictions:

Apple sales will spike next quarter, giving them a major lead
Samsung will take over for the next three quarters until the next iPhone launch
we'll have android vs iPhone threads at once a day for the next year

There's an iPhone buyer born every minute, according to sales analyst PT Barnum. Is Monster still second place in audio cable sales?

I found it it funny that the DERP in this thread is all coming from the Android fanbois. A little defensive are we?

bravian: I found it it funny that the DERP in this thread is all coming from the Android fanbois. A little defensive are we?

You mean iHaters. They're similar to fanbois, but it's a word acceptable to use outside of the 12-year old J-pop fanbase.

I have a Galaxy, so... uhh.. yay team? I guess?

Don't Samsung make half the parts for Apple's gadgets anyway? I bet that doesn't hurt their bottom line either

Who cares?

I really miss nokia phones, they were some of the best and most durable around.

Sammy didn't outsell Apple by a few thousand phones. This isn't the scale of difference channel stuffing could account for. They outsold them by over 50%. By more than ten million phones in three months. That's a big difference.

Yeah, Apple will bounce back this quarter and sell more phones than ever.

Meanwhile Samsung can join the ranks of HTC, Motorola and others who credit Android with helping them avoid a great deal of unpleasantness. By selling 4 times the smartphones as the year ago quarter Sammy avoided some of the effects of the economic downturn on their business. Profits from these phones amounted to 60% of their profits for the quarter.

They're all great phones. It's nice to have choices.

I own an HTC Evo3D and, lord, I wish my poor little Palm Pre didn't die when it did. The Samsung Nexus Prime is a beast. 1.2ghz dc cpu, 4.65" screen, 32gb internal storage. Also comes pre-loaded with Ice Cream Sandwich. And of course the biggest advantage of Nexus phones....no bloatware.

Yeesh y'all, who cares whose pile of glass, plastic, and silicon is specialer than another? They're farking smartphones. You listen to music, surf the web, play games, etc on them. They don't pull you out of burning cars, or lower you from buildings on fire, they just sit there rapidly running out of battery power.

More to the point, I still think the most interesting part of the 4s launch is the free 3GS. It'll let a lot of people who otherwise would get a cheap Android phone or no smartphone at all into the Apple garden. Apple's never handled the low end very well, it'll be interesting to see if they manage to pull this off without messing it up (lots of 4/4s-only functionality that leaves the 3GS behind).

wholedamnshow: I own an HTC Evo3D and, lord, I wish my poor little Palm Pre didn't die when it did. The Samsung Nexus Prime is a beast. 1.2ghz dc cpu, 4.65" screen, 32gb internal storage. Also comes pre-loaded with Ice Cream Sandwich. And of course the biggest advantage of Nexus phones....no bloatware.

I can't wait for the launch, mid November I believe. The only downside to it I think is, the screen isn't gorilla glass. Apart from that it's my perfect phone.