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2011-10-28 08:23:16 AM  
You magnificent bastard
 
2011-10-28 08:30:59 AM  
This is a tragedy. +1 for making it a funny tragedy, subby.
 
2011-10-28 09:44:05 AM  
Shaka, when the walls fell.
 
2011-10-28 09:45:15 AM  
We're treating it as a freak accident,' Cook said.

I know he was a freshman, but jeez.
 
2011-10-28 09:47:13 AM  

calbert: Shaka, when the walls fell.


Darmok and Corbett at Williamston.
 
2011-10-28 09:47:43 AM  
'We're doing an investigation. ... Obviously the wall did come down. We're treating it as a freak accident,' Cook said.

A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently

Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident.
 
2011-10-28 09:48:53 AM  
Darwin never sleeps. He was a smiley boy. RIP smiley boy.

/Had a 14-year-old cousin who died in an accident -- taken too soon.
//Eight foot walls aren't suitable for doing pull-ups.
///Hope he had a good life.
 
2011-10-28 09:49:22 AM  
So apparently whoever built the thing just stacked cinderblocks on top of eachother?
 
2011-10-28 09:50:12 AM  

rebelyell2006: calbert: Shaka, when the walls fell.

Darmok and Corbett at Williamston.


You two reproducing would be the real tragedy.
 
2011-10-28 09:50:45 AM  
I've seen reports that said this wasn't a full cinder block wall, but made of the thinner blocks and it was used as a dividing wall. The kind you might see between lockers and showers. Sounds like it wasn't made to handle the stress of a pull-up bar installed.
 
2011-10-28 09:52:13 AM  

dothemath: rebelyell2006: calbert: Shaka, when the walls fell.

Darmok and Corbett at Williamston.

You two reproducing would be the real tragedy.


Since there are no women on the internet, that would probably be difficult. Plus, I don't think calbert is interested in me.
 
2011-10-28 09:53:09 AM  
Journalism today:
Hey look, somebody died. Now lets look at all of their online profiles and accounts to write a story about them! Maybe there will be some not-that interesting parallels we could draw in order to fill a word count (crosses fingers).
 
2011-10-28 09:53:58 AM  
I really expected this to be a fatty.
 
2011-10-28 09:54:41 AM  

Headso: So apparently whoever built the thing just stacked cinderblocks on top of eachother?


I guess that's what you get when you pick the lowest bidder to do the work.
 
2011-10-28 09:54:58 AM  

mynameisdouglas: I really expected this to be a fatty.


Have you ever seen a fatty try to do a pull-up? No, you haven't. It doesn't happen.
 
2011-10-28 09:55:08 AM  

ChrisDe: I've seen reports that said this wasn't a full cinder block wall, but made of the thinner blocks and it was used as a dividing wall. The kind you might see between lockers and showers. Sounds like it wasn't made to handle the stress of a pull-up bar installed.


I didn't see mention of pull-up bar (I didn't read TWFA). Sounds like he grabbed the top of the wall. It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.
 
2011-10-28 09:55:41 AM  
I thought this would be a silly tale of a kid that is sad that he can't do a pull up. I would have commiserated with him and swapped scrawny chicken arm stories.

This is so much sadder.
 
2011-10-28 09:55:50 AM  

ChrisDe: I've seen reports that said this wasn't a full cinder block wall, but made of the thinner blocks and it was used as a dividing wall. The kind you might see between lockers and showers. Sounds like it wasn't made to handle the stress of a pull-up bar installed.


There is no mention of a pull up bar. The article says: He grabbed the top of the wall and that's when it came down. Just a wild guess, but maybe that wall wasn't designed to be climbed on?
 
2011-10-28 09:56:10 AM  

rebelyell2006: dothemath: rebelyell2006: calbert: Shaka, when the walls fell.

Darmok and Corbett at Williamston.

You two reproducing would be the real tragedy.

Since there are no women on the internet, that would probably be difficult. Plus, I don't think calbert is interested in me.


Dont be so negative.
Im sure he is dreaming of your ropy jizz, salty like the rollicking sea, hanging from the pointy parts of his face as if hung by God.
 
2011-10-28 09:57:00 AM  
'I hate the locker room before a game....'.

I wonder what the story is behind that quote.
 
2011-10-28 09:57:48 AM  

Headso: So apparently whoever built the thing just stacked cinderblocks on top of eachother?


Or maybe the kid did not know his own strength

media.comicvine.com
 
2011-10-28 09:58:32 AM  
More importantly, how was his teeth?
 
2011-10-28 09:58:37 AM  

ignatiusst: mynameisdouglas: I really expected this to be a fatty.

Have you ever seen a fatty try to do a pull-up? No, you haven't. It doesn't happen.


Hey! At least I try!
 
2011-10-28 09:59:00 AM  

amindtat: ChrisDe: I've seen reports that said this wasn't a full cinder block wall, but made of the thinner blocks and it was used as a dividing wall. The kind you might see between lockers and showers. Sounds like it wasn't made to handle the stress of a pull-up bar installed.

There is no mention of a pull up bar. The article says: He grabbed the top of the wall and that's when it came down. Just a wild guess, but maybe that wall wasn't designed to be climbed on?


Yeah, I guess no bar, looks like he was using the top of the wall to grab.
 
2011-10-28 09:59:07 AM  

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: 'I hate the locker room before a game....'.

I wonder what the story is behind that quote.


UFIA.

\The end.
 
2011-10-28 09:59:10 AM  

BurnShrike: A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently


This.

CSB, not as targic: At my last apartment I made a very convincing case that the central air intake vent needed to be properly repaired, because it had been torn off. Fark: It was torn off by a four-month-old kitten. The vent was reinforced in short order.
 
2011-10-28 09:59:47 AM  

rebelyell2006: calbert: Shaka, when the walls fell.

Darmok and Corbett at Williamston.


Between the two of you, I think we're done here.
 
2011-10-28 09:59:58 AM  
had jumped and grabbed for the top of an eight foot wall to do a pull-up, police said Thursday.... 'He grabbed the top of the wall and that's when it came down'...



anyone else think "woah - wtf - awesome jump" first off?
 
2011-10-28 10:00:59 AM  

SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.


really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.
 
2011-10-28 10:01:58 AM  

amindtat: ChrisDe: I've seen reports that said this wasn't a full cinder block wall, but made of the thinner blocks and it was used as a dividing wall. The kind you might see between lockers and showers. Sounds like it wasn't made to handle the stress of a pull-up bar installed.

There is no mention of a pull up bar. The article says: He grabbed the top of the wall and that's when it came down. Just a wild guess, but maybe that wall wasn't designed to be climbed on?


Or maybe it was just a bunch of stacked cinder blocks that were just waiting to fall down on top of somebody because some administrator couldn't spend the extra $100 to buy some farking mortar?
 
2011-10-28 10:02:24 AM  

hasty ambush: Or maybe the kid did not know his own strength


maybe he had the strength of superman without the durability.
 
2011-10-28 10:02:55 AM  

Headso: SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.

really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.


Yeah, but you probably use things like mortar, and nails. This wall sounds like it was cinder blocks and li-berry paste.
 
2011-10-28 10:03:54 AM  

ignatiusst: mynameisdouglas: I really expected this to be a fatty.

Have you ever seen a fatty try to do a pull-up? No, you haven't. It doesn't happen.


www.ejumpcut.org
 
2011-10-28 10:05:11 AM  
School's gonna get sss-who-WHO-ued (say this outloud)!
 
2011-10-28 10:05:31 AM  

gambitsgirl: had jumped and grabbed for the top of an eight foot wall to do a pull-up, police said Thursday.... 'He grabbed the top of the wall and that's when it came down'...



anyone else think "woah - wtf - awesome jump" first off?



Didn't really think about it till you brought it up. Actually, yeah, it was a pretty good jump.
 
2011-10-28 10:06:44 AM  
Not a lot of detail in that article.
 
2011-10-28 10:07:47 AM  

headstone: gambitsgirl: had jumped and grabbed for the top of an eight foot wall to do a pull-up, police said Thursday.... 'He grabbed the top of the wall and that's when it came down'...



anyone else think "woah - wtf - awesome jump" first off?


Didn't really think about it till you brought it up. Actually, yeah, it was a pretty good jump.


Grabbing the top of an eight-foot wall is an impressive jump if you're 4'8", maybe.
 
2011-10-28 10:08:00 AM  

Headso: SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.

really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.


It seems pretty plausible that a dividing wall made of those thinner cinder blocks wold come down if a big 14-year-old jumped up and grabbed the top and hung there, then applied more leverage. Sounds like a poorly done wall, though. No internal reinforcement, maybe.

/Firm believer in over-engineering and over-building stuff, just to be safe.
//Money will be paid out for this death.
 
2011-10-28 10:08:36 AM  

dothemath: rebelyell2006: dothemath: rebelyell2006: calbert: Shaka, when the walls fell.

Darmok and Corbett at Williamston.

You two reproducing would be the real tragedy.

Since there are no women on the internet, that would probably be difficult. Plus, I don't think calbert is interested in me.

Dont be so negative.
Im sure he is dreaming of your ropy jizz, salty like the rollicking sea, hanging from the pointy parts of his face as if hung by God.



That is such a weird juxtaposition of '70's porn and Hemmingway...


/too early in the morning
 
2011-10-28 10:09:02 AM  

Headso: SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.

really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.


Agreed, this is crap, this wall. I'm pretty sure someone had to know that it was in bad shape. A fourteen year old kid isn't going to look at it and say "Hmmm, not sure if structurally sound enough to jump on" and think before he leaps.
 
2011-10-28 10:09:04 AM  

rebelyell2006: calbert: Shaka, when the walls fell.

Darmok and Corbett at Williamston.


Corbett, his eyes closed.
 
2011-10-28 10:09:45 AM  
Another life cut short, but that's what it is to be a mere mortar.
 
2011-10-28 10:10:49 AM  
Gabriel Corbett, 14, died when a wall in his high school locker room as he was doing pull ups, and police are investigating the reason why

Caption for the picture makes my head hurt.
 
2011-10-28 10:11:52 AM  

BurnShrike: Headso: So apparently whoever built the thing just stacked cinderblocks on top of eachother?

I guess that's what you get when you pick the lowest bidder to do the work.


Or your buddy that takes your family on a free all paid vacation as a thank you.
 
2011-10-28 10:11:55 AM  
Mellencamp said it best
Link (new window)
 
2011-10-28 10:14:56 AM  

SweetSaws: School's gonna get sss-who-WHO-ued (say this outloud)!


This is exactly the reason we should have lawsuits. The cost of shoddy workmanship should be so great that it makes much more financial sense to do a halfway decent job in the first place. That way, we don't have kids dying because some low-bid jackoff decided he wanted a long lunch.
 
2011-10-28 10:19:42 AM  
Police are on the lookout for this suspect:

www.chicagonow.com
 
2011-10-28 10:20:10 AM  

headstone: Dont be so negative.
Im sure he is dreaming of your ropy jizz, salty like the rollicking sea, hanging from the pointy parts of his face as if hung by God.


That is such a weird juxtaposition of '70's porn and Hemmingway...


In the sea of grass,
On an African plain,
He punished that ass,
Until tears fell like rain.
 
2011-10-28 10:20:18 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Headso: SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.

really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.

It seems pretty plausible that a dividing wall made of those thinner cinder blocks wold come down if a big 14-year-old jumped up and grabbed the top and hung there, then applied more leverage. Sounds like a poorly done wall, though. No internal reinforcement, maybe.


it's only plausible if it was made extremely poorly, I am not super familiar with cinderblock work but I believe you would normally put rebar throughout the wall and pour cement down through the holes in portions of the cinderblocks to adhere it to the rebar.
 
2011-10-28 10:21:10 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SweetSaws: School's gonna get sss-who-WHO-ued (say this outloud)!

This is exactly the reason we should have lawsuits. The cost of shoddy workmanship should be so great that it makes much more financial sense to do a halfway decent job in the first place. That way, we don't have kids dying because some low-bid jackoff decided he wanted a long lunch.


If this was a new school, I'd tend to agree it was probably shoddy workmanship, but the school was over 20-years old. Probably just had mortar crack along the bricks and the horizontal load of someone jumping on the side of it separated the bricks causing them to come down. I'm sure the school has insurance that will cover this, but I don't think it was due to negligence or incompetent construction.
 
2011-10-28 10:22:35 AM  

BurnShrike: 'We're doing an investigation. ... Obviously the wall did come down. We're treating it as a freak accident,' Cook said.

A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently

Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident.


Well, arguably, it wasn't done intentionally, and its the intent that denotes whether it was accidental or not. Now, I agree that those accidents could be reasonably forseen and prevented, which makes the actor culpable of negligence, but they are still accidents.
 
2011-10-28 10:23:59 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Headso: SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.

really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.

It seems pretty plausible that a dividing wall made of those thinner cinder blocks wold come down if a big 14-year-old jumped up and grabbed the top and hung there, then applied more leverage. Sounds like a poorly done wall, though. No internal reinforcement, maybe.

/Firm believer in over-engineering and over-building stuff, just to be safe.
//Money will be paid out for this death.


Agree with over-building and over-engineering things, and money will be paid out. They could give me 500 million dollars and it wouldn't make me any less insane over the loss of my son, who is full of awesome. I feel for his family. //heartsick
 
2011-10-28 10:24:18 AM  

BurnShrike: 'We're doing an investigation. ... Obviously the wall did come down. We're treating it as a freak accident,' Cook said.

A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently

Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident.



What IS an accident?

Surely you can fined SOMEONE to blame for anything and everything, no?
 
2011-10-28 10:27:01 AM  

Ponzholio: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SweetSaws: School's gonna get sss-who-WHO-ued (say this outloud)!

This is exactly the reason we should have lawsuits. The cost of shoddy workmanship should be so great that it makes much more financial sense to do a halfway decent job in the first place. That way, we don't have kids dying because some low-bid jackoff decided he wanted a long lunch.

If this was a new school, I'd tend to agree it was probably shoddy workmanship, but the school was over 20-years old. Probably just had mortar crack along the bricks and the horizontal load of someone jumping on the side of it separated the bricks causing them to come down. I'm sure the school has insurance that will cover this, but I don't think it was due to negligence or incompetent construction.


Evey school I went to in the 80s and 90s was built in 1954 or earlier. They were built like brick shiathouse. I never so much as saw a tiny pebble sized chunk out of any of the cinder blocks. Besides, how many houses and buildings all over the world are over 100 years old, and still standing? Churches from the 1600's, Homes in Wales or England etc. 20 years is nothing. It was shoddy workmanship plain and simple.
 
2011-10-28 10:29:19 AM  

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Police are on the lookout for this suspect:


wh...why is he holding one of his flaming testicles in a cup...?
 
2011-10-28 10:29:54 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SweetSaws: School's gonna get sss-who-WHO-ued (say this outloud)!

This is exactly the reason we should have lawsuits. The cost of shoddy workmanship should be so great that it makes much more financial sense to do a halfway decent job in the first place. That way, we don't have kids dying because some low-bid jackoff decided he wanted a long lunch.


i totally agree with that. Value = quality vs cost. Being cheap means always trying to minimize cost regardless of the quality. Cheapness almost never pays off in the long run. This is a good example of why.
 
2011-10-28 10:31:45 AM  

Naesen: I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Police are on the lookout for this suspect:

wh...why is he holding one of his flaming testicles in a cup...?


Perhaps he's getting ready for wrestling practice?

/two testicles, one cup
 
2011-10-28 10:32:23 AM  

Headso: HotIgneous Intruder: Headso: SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.

really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.

It seems pretty plausible that a dividing wall made of those thinner cinder blocks wold come down if a big 14-year-old jumped up and grabbed the top and hung there, then applied more leverage. Sounds like a poorly done wall, though. No internal reinforcement, maybe.

it's only plausible if it was made extremely poorly, I am not super familiar with cinderblock work but I believe you would normally put rebar throughout the wall and pour cement down through the holes in portions of the cinderblocks to adhere it to the rebar.


Never done in any school I've been in: sometimes when holes were drilled in the cinderblock walls (I guess for adding proper ethernet or something like that, I was young) you could see the hollowed inside of the blocks.

Paint is a good mortar, right? And lets use the lead kind so it has all that metal for structural reinforcement!

/if only even a retired engineer would work in public school...
 
2011-10-28 10:36:01 AM  

hbk72777: Besides, how many houses and buildings all over the world are over 100 years old, and still standing?


We have a tendency to overestimate the quality of old stuff, because the old stuff that's still around is the old stuff of high durability and quality (and sometimes just dumb luck, but that contributes to the perception anyway). They built plenty of crappy throwaway junk and poorly-constructed buildings 100 years ago, too-- it's just that the junk's all gone.
 
2011-10-28 10:37:28 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Headso: SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.

really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.

It seems pretty plausible that a dividing wall made of those thinner cinder blocks wold come down if a big 14-year-old jumped up and grabbed the top and hung there, then applied more leverage. Sounds like a poorly done wall, though. No internal reinforcement, maybe.

/Firm believer in over-engineering and over-building stuff, just to be safe.
//Money will be paid out for this death.


Yes, but is it still profitable to skimp and payout compared to doing it right?

If a plus b is less than c, we don't do a recall..
 
2011-10-28 10:37:44 AM  
My guess is that dividing wall was not part of the building construction, and was added later at the request of some bone-headed admin at the school, and then installed by the dick-hole janitor during a 3-day holiday weekend.

90% of the time when there is a full or partial building collapse, the original work is not at fault (as each design has to be passed through a licensed architect, engineer, and the town plan reviewer). Future 'minor' alterations done by DIY-er weekend warriors or Jim-Bob the handyman, no so much.
 
2011-10-28 10:38:29 AM  
Coach Gorbachev, tear down this wall.

www.dirckthenoorman.com
 
2011-10-28 10:42:41 AM  

Headso: stacked


They're called Unions.

Naesen: Never done in any school I've been in: sometimes when holes were drilled in the cinderblock walls (I guess for adding proper ethernet or something like that, I was young) you could see the hollowed inside of the blocks.


No, you don't fill the cinder blocks. They're supposed to always be in compression (which concrete kicks ass at).
 
2011-10-28 10:43:27 AM  

Headso: HotIgneous Intruder: Headso: SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.

really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.

It seems pretty plausible that a dividing wall made of those thinner cinder blocks wold come down if a big 14-year-old jumped up and grabbed the top and hung there, then applied more leverage. Sounds like a poorly done wall, though. No internal reinforcement, maybe.

it's only plausible if it was made extremely poorly, I am not super familiar with cinderblock work but I believe you would normally put rebar throughout the wall and pour cement down through the holes in portions of the cinderblocks to adhere it to the rebar.


Non-loadbearing partitions are just that. They are very common in commercial construction.

I have seen several fools tear down aluminum stud walls doing similar gymnastics. The result is usually not as tragic.
 
2011-10-28 10:44:04 AM  

Amos Quito: BurnShrike: 'We're doing an investigation. ... Obviously the wall did come down. We're treating it as a freak accident,' Cook said.

A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently

Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident.


What IS an accident?

Surely you can fined SOMEONE to blame for anything and everything, no?


Sure, but there's a difference between an accident due to unforeseeable structural failure and negligence due to cutting corners in construction. An eight foot tall cinderblock wall, reinforced with rebar and filled with concrete, should damn near be able to stop a car. Engineers can calculate the load a wall can take based on the materials used, the height of the wall, and foundation type. Cousin Bubba slapping a cinderblock wall into place over a couple hours on Sunday afternoon isn't the same thing. They both may look the same externally, but there are quite a few differences between the two.

The point is that using Bubba to throw up a wall because he did the work for $100 and a case of beer is an act of negligence.
 
2011-10-28 10:47:51 AM  

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Naesen: I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Police are on the lookout for this suspect:

wh...why is he holding one of his flaming testicles in a cup...?

Perhaps he's getting ready for wrestling practice?

/two testicles, one cup


BOTH OF YOU!

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2011-10-28 10:51:02 AM  
This is a horrible story, and his family is going to get a lot of money. It is a foreseeable injury that could have been completely prevented. Maybe after the lawsuit the school district will make sure its premises are safe.
 
2011-10-28 10:53:35 AM  
Very sad. But as soon as mom and dad get past the grief, that huge pile of money is going to be soooo sweeeeet.

Fantastic headline, Subby!
 
2011-10-28 10:55:04 AM  

Molavian: Sure, but there's a difference between an accident due to unforeseeable structural failure and negligence due to cutting corners in construction. An eight foot tall cinderblock wall, reinforced with rebar and filled with concrete, should damn near be able to stop a car. Engineers can calculate the load a wall can take based on the materials used, the height of the wall, and foundation type. Cousin Bubba slapping a cinderblock wall into place over a couple hours on Sunday afternoon isn't the same thing. They both may look the same externally, but there are quite a few differences between the two.



Worst version of this was the East Coldenham Disaster. School cafeteria was designed to have a wall made from glass bricks. The plans called for rebar to be inserted through the center of the bricks to anchor them. Contractor cut costs by skipping the rebar. Then a tornado/downburst hit during lunch and nine kids were killed when the whole damn wall fell on them during a lunch period.
 
2011-10-28 10:56:23 AM  
Today: "Why the hell didn't the school spend the money to fix a wall that wasn't broken!!?? Sue them!!"

Last week: "Why the hell are we giving the schools so much money!!?? Cut their funding!!!!"

Also:

swagsportsnetwork.com
 
2011-10-28 11:01:36 AM  
BurnShrike 2011-10-28 09:47:43 AM
'We're doing an investigation. ... Obviously the wall did come down. We're treating it as a freak accident,' Cook said.

A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently

Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident.


You're right of course, but asking for people to be held responsible for their actions is wayyyyyy out of style.
 
2011-10-28 11:04:07 AM  
R.I.P. Humpty Dumpty
 
2011-10-28 11:04:17 AM  

mod3072: Today: "Why the hell didn't the school spend the money to fix a wall that wasn't broken!!?? Sue them!!"

Last week: "Why the hell are we giving the schools so much money!!?? Cut their funding!!!!"



I do believe you've hit the nail on the head.
 
GBB
2011-10-28 11:08:43 AM  
Hey! You in the locker room!! Stand still, laddie!!
 
2011-10-28 11:11:32 AM  

BurnShrike: 'We're doing an investigation. ... Obviously the wall did come down. We're treating it as a freak accident,' Cook said.

A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently

Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident.


You sound like a lawyer who advertises on billboards.
 
2011-10-28 11:18:13 AM  
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2011-10-28 11:21:05 AM  

DVDave: BurnShrike: 'We're doing an investigation. ... Obviously the wall did come down. We're treating it as a freak accident,' Cook said.

A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently

Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident.

You sound like a lawyer who advertises on billboards.


blogs.amctv.com

As to your dead guy, occupational hazard. Wall climbing guy getting crushed... I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say 'it's been known to happen'.
 
2011-10-28 11:23:51 AM  
What I am failing to understand here is why this wall was so poorly constructed. Okay, I will concede that it was never intended to be a load bearing wall. But we are talking about kids here. You need to over engineer the crap out of everything for kids. Kids will climb onto everything they can reach, 4 or 14 they are gonna do it.
 
2011-10-28 11:33:39 AM  
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2011-10-28 11:42:41 AM  

BurnShrike: 'We're doing an investigation. ... Obviously the wall did come down. We're treating it as a freak accident,' Cook said.

A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently

Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident.


Incident, accident implies no one was at fault.
 
2011-10-28 11:45:50 AM  

PirateKing: [www.evocacion.com image 264x377]


+1, would LOL again
 
2011-10-28 11:49:33 AM  

gambitsgirl: had jumped and grabbed for the top of an eight foot wall to do a pull-up, police said Thursday.... 'He grabbed the top of the wall and that's when it came down'...



anyone else think "woah - wtf - awesome jump" first off?


Nope, 14 years old I was almost 5'9" with long arms that when outstretched would hit about 7'9". A measly lil hop to grab the top of an 8' wall is nothing.

Now, ten foot wall would be more impressive.

Prolly would have left a bigger impression on the kid, too.
 
2011-10-28 11:52:59 AM  

Big Cheese Make Hair Go Boom: You need to over engineer the crap out of everything for kids. Kids will climb onto everything they can reach, 4 or 14 they are gonna do it.


Letting kids play with a piece of equipment is in fact a very insightful way to evaluate a prototype for durability and safety. If you're afraid of liability at all, then your product isn't safe. If you're afraid it'll break, it's not durable.

I think it's not done because kids aren't known to write good test reports.
 
2011-10-28 11:54:13 AM  
BurnShrike

"A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently... Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident."

Ummm.... (new window)

Both of those sound like accidents to me... And that Webster fella.
 
2011-10-28 11:57:44 AM  

GibbyTheMole: BurnShrike

"A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently... Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident."

Ummm.... (new window)

Both of those sound like accidents to me... And that Webster fella.


This isn't an accident. It's neglectful engineering.

Webster isn't capable of such fine distinctions.
 
2011-10-28 12:13:34 PM  

Headso: SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.

really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.


No, this is Fark, it's Blame the Victimtm.
 
jtr
2011-10-28 12:17:33 PM  
"the walls were covered with handwritten notes"

Dear Wall,
We'll be watching you, motherfarker.
 
2011-10-28 12:18:36 PM  

Lifeless:

Grabbing the top of an eight-foot wall is an impressive jump if you're 4'8", maybe.



khyberkitsune:

Nope, 14 years old I was almost 5'9" with long arms that when outstretched would hit about 7'9". A measly lil hop to grab the top of an 8' wall is nothing.

Now, ten foot wall would be more impressive.

Prolly would have left a bigger impression on the kid, too.




How do you know I am fat and lazy?

/and have NO CLUE about measurements?
 
2011-10-28 12:19:05 PM  

ignatiusst: mynameisdouglas: I really expected this to be a fatty.

Have you ever seen a fatty try to do a pull-up? No, you haven't. It doesn't happen.


Yeah well you tie a couple sacks of cement to your back and see how many pull-ups you can do, dumbass.
 
2011-10-28 12:22:36 PM  
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/stranger things have happened
 
2011-10-28 12:25:45 PM  
Terribly sad. My condolences to family and friends.

Evidently the wall LOOKED strong enough to jump up and grab hold of. My other question is, how monstrously unstable was it? It was a cinder-block booby trap. It seems like as soon as our late jumper noticed instability, he'd have jumped back down quickly. Yet it was so unstable that the WHOLE THING came down fast - or, at least enough to kill him.
 
2011-10-28 12:38:47 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Headso: SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.

really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.

It seems pretty plausible that a dividing wall made of those thinner cinder blocks wold come down if a big 14-year-old jumped up and grabbed the top and hung there, then applied more leverage. Sounds like a poorly done wall, though. No internal reinforcement, maybe.

/Firm believer in over-engineering and over-building stuff, just to be safe.
//Money will be paid out for this death.


Did you grow up in Haiti?

Crappy wall was, crappy. Ancient building codes in Mesopotamia (Iraq) stated that if you built someone a house and it collapsed and killed the owners the builder would also be put to death. At the very least the idiot who built this wall should get smashed in the face with a brick.
 
2011-10-28 12:45:02 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: SweetSaws: School's gonna get sss-who-WHO-ued (say this outloud)!

This is exactly the reason we should have lawsuits. The cost of shoddy workmanship should be so great that it makes much more financial sense to do a halfway decent job in the first place. That way, we don't have kids dying because some low-bid jackoff decided he wanted a long lunch.


One of those dead kids might have otherwise ended up being the next Hitler or something, Captain Sweeping Generalization...
 
2011-10-28 12:52:17 PM  
BurnShrike 2011-10-28 09:47:43 AM

'We're doing an investigation. ... Obviously the wall did come down. We're treating it as a freak accident,' Cook said.

A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently

Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident.




So you're a lawyer
 
2011-10-28 12:58:46 PM  

doubled99: BurnShrike 2011-10-28 09:47:43 AM

'We're doing an investigation. ... Obviously the wall did come down. We're treating it as a freak accident,' Cook said.

A wall collapsing like this is not an "accident". It's a case of someone not doing their job properly. I'm tired of hearing about "accidents" that are actually cases of someone acting negligently

Rear-ending the car in front of you because you're texting on your phone is NOT an accident. A wall collapsing from the weight of a student is NOT an accident.



So you're a lawyer


Or he's seen typical union work...
 
2011-10-28 02:19:17 PM  
Maybe the kid listened to Pink Floyd?



www.teachwithmovies.org


/hey teacher, leave them kids alone
 
2011-10-28 02:25:58 PM  
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2011-10-28 02:49:26 PM  
Gabriel was visibly happy when he got his braces off in May

But hey, at least he died with straight teeth. Unless the cement blocks misaligned them again, of course.
 
2011-10-28 03:02:32 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Headso: SevenizGud: It doesn't surprise me much that it came down.

really? I have built sheds, barns, additions, decks, pergolas, You could do a pull up on anything I have put up. And this is in a school that should be built for commercial use. Ya'll saying this is not surprising must have never built anything in your lives.

It seems pretty plausible that a dividing wall made of those thinner cinder blocks wold come down if a big 14-year-old jumped up and grabbed the top and hung there, then applied more leverage. Sounds like a poorly done wall, though. No internal reinforcement, maybe.


The trick, as Headso mentioned is 'commercial'. Others could include 'government', 'education', etc... As an example, take electrical. With residential, 14 gauge romex(plastic shielded wires) is acceptable. It only makes a 15 amp circuit, but it's authorized. With most commercial setups, you need 12 gauge MC(Metal-clad) as a minimum.

Building a wall out of simple stacked cinder blocks isn't going to cut it for residential, much less commercial installs. The wall, even if not structural, should have been properly secured to the floor, with rebar providing additional support, and likely even filled with concrete to make a solid structure.
 
2011-10-28 05:47:16 PM  
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Walk it off! Let's go!!!
 
2011-10-28 07:20:40 PM  
This is a fairly common problem, although usually nobody dies when they fail. In all likelihood, the block wall was mortared together, but was not secured to anything at the top or braced by perpendicular walls. An 8'-0" tall masonry wall cantilevered from the floor does not have much flexural strength. It would not take much force applied perpendicular to the top of the wall to knock it over.

My personal rule, when designing something that will be in a school (or bar), is to try to image whatever stupid thing a person could do to it, and make sure it won't fail when someone tries it. While you can't plan for everything, if anyone had put any thought into securing this partition wall it probably would not have collapsed from this load.
 
2011-10-29 10:07:28 PM  

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: 'I hate the locker room before a game....'.

I wonder what the story is behind that quote.


That was my first thought too, and I'm sure it had nothing to do with walls and everything to do with holes,
 
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