So, now that he's dead, we find out he was an ass all along.

Go figure.

There is a medical device firm somewhere offering nurses top dollar to tell them what jobs suggested for the design changes for the O2 monitor.

GooberMcFly: The oxygen mask thing confirms that it was a personality flaw, not just being "quirky".

Perhaps severe OCD and or inferiority complex?

Sounds a bit like James Dyson. Difference is, Dyson vacs are actually far better than the competition.

But there is no doubt that this attitude of Jobs is what made the iPod, iPhones etc so successful. Guy had a vision, stuck to it and refused to compromise.

Flint Ironstag: Sounds a bit like James Dyson. Difference is, Dyson vacs are actually far better than the competition.

But there is no doubt that this attitude of Jobs is what made the iPod, iPhones etc so successful. Guy had a vision, stuck to it and refused to compromise.

Yeah, but James Dyson sounds like a smug European douchebag. Steve Jobs at least had charisma.

Big Cheese Make Hair Go Boom: Flint Ironstag: Sounds a bit like James Dyson. Difference is, Dyson vacs are actually far better than the competition.

But there is no doubt that this attitude of Jobs is what made the iPod, iPhones etc so successful. Guy had a vision, stuck to it and refused to compromise.

Yeah, but James Dyson sounds like a smug European douchebag. Steve Jobs at least had charisma.

James Dyson give a lot to charity.

Flint Ironstag: Sounds a bit like James Dyson. Difference is, Dyson vacs are actually far better than the competition.

But there is no doubt that this attitude of Jobs is what made the iPod, iPhones etc so successful. Guy had a vision, stuck to it and refused to compromise.

No they aren't. A smidge better? Maybe. After two years of sucking dirt? No way it's any better.

Buttsex gives you cancer?

/reads article

I guess so.

He's dead. Let it go people.

I love how this is being frowned upon ... You know, half of the reason America is in the current condition it is in is because lazy people who like to cut corners.

Steve Jobs' attention to detail is legendary and should be seen as such.

/not a fanboi
//still using iphone 4

Damn, I'm wondering was Jobs actually happy in life?

Steve Jobs was an a-hole, and I do think most of his success in recent years was more due to marketing than legit innovation, but I actually do admire his obsession with detail.

tuxq: You know, half of the reason America is in the current condition it is in is because lazy people who like to cut corners.

they should instead be geniuses who like to round corners.

impaler: "A great carpenter isn't going to use lousy wood for the back of a cabinet, even though nobody's going to see it."

Why not?

Because their clients aren't shopping at Ikea.

This is why Apple will not do as well without him.

There is something to be said for attention to detail, even if it is to a fault.

It's not like you fat bastards are perfect, either.

There's a reason why Apple is going to lose its luster.

Obsessive about details that don't matter to anyone, cared more about building amazing products than he did his own family.

Apple has had its time, but I'll tell you that with Jobs obsessive and controlling nature gone, the company will absolutely never be the same.

stuhayes2010: Flint Ironstag: Sounds a bit like James Dyson. Difference is, Dyson vacs are actually far better than the competition.

But there is no doubt that this attitude of Jobs is what made the iPod, iPhones etc so successful. Guy had a vision, stuck to it and refused to compromise.

No they aren't. A smidge better? Maybe. After two years of sucking dirt? No way it's any better.

I used to work in retail selling all brands of vacs. Dyson did a trade in a year ago. You would not believe the number of people who bought in the very original Dyson from twenty years ago, still working perfectly, to trade in for the latest model. They also give a five year full guarantee, unlike almost all the other makes. My Dyson is ten years old and still works fantastically.

Working in retail I saw the number we sold and the number that come back. Dyson are the best by far. I actually had a woman complain that she hated Dyson because "the bin kept filling up! My old vac I could use for months without having to empty the bag!" Work that logic out.

When alive: Jobs was an innovator, a visionary, a master.

Now: Jobs was a basically lucid cheapskate who wouldn't pay for license plates, thought he could tell the president what to do, yet got hung up on bathroom signs because he was a pathetic control freak that couldn't even listen to his own doctors.

I have an iPhone. I like it. abhorrent1: He's dead. Let it go people.

It's Fark. Hating Apple is a merit badge, and you only get to Eagle by ratcheting the hate up to 11.

Flint Ironstag: Big Cheese Make Hair Go Boom: Flint Ironstag: Sounds a bit like James Dyson. Difference is, Dyson vacs are actually far better than the competition.

But there is no doubt that this attitude of Jobs is what made the iPod, iPhones etc so successful. Guy had a vision, stuck to it and refused to compromise.

Yeah, but James Dyson sounds like a smug European douchebag. Steve Jobs at least had charisma.

James Dyson give a lot to charity.

He's not hard to look at, either.

Kind of Ironic that he was all about choice for him but not for the consumer.

Jeffery Katzenberg is also very detailed ordered in the same manner. Walt Disney was also a micro-manager.

They left out the story of Jobs calling Vic Gundotra.

Here's Gundotra's full account, as written on his Google+ profile:

"One Sunday morning, January 6th, 2008 I was attending religious services when my cell phone vibrated. As discreetly as possible, I checked the phone and noticed that my phone said "Caller ID unknown". I choose to ignore.

After services, as I was walking to my car with my family, I checked my cell phone messages. The message left was from Steve Jobs. "Vic, can you call me at home? I have something urgent to discuss" it said.

Before I even reached my car, I called Steve Jobs back. I was responsible for all mobile applications at Google, and in that role, had regular dealings with Steve. It was one of the perks of the job.

"Hey Steve - this is Vic", I said. "I'm sorry I didn't answer your call earlier. I was in religious services, and the caller ID said unknown, so I didn't pick up".

Steve laughed. He said, "Vic, unless the Caller ID said 'GOD', you should never pick up during services".

I laughed nervously. After all, while it was customary for Steve to call during the week upset about something, it was unusual for him to call me on Sunday and ask me to call his home. I wondered what was so important?

"So Vic, we have an urgent issue, one that I need addressed right away. I've already assigned someone from my team to help you, and I hope you can fix this tomorrow" said Steve.

"I've been looking at the Google logo on the iPhone and I'm not happy with the icon. The second O in Google doesn't have the right yellow gradient. It's just wrong and I'm going to have Greg fix it tomorrow. Is that okay with you?"

He sounds about 100% anal. However, it was the first 85% of that that made him a great designer, and only the last 15% that made him crazy.


I am the 99%, and I don't give a flying fark at a rolling doughnut what my circuit boards or the backs of my cabinets look like.

The-Brain: So, now that he's dead, we find out he was an ass all along.

Go figure.

We didn't know this before?

impaler: "A great carpenter isn't going to use lousy wood for the back of a cabinet, even though nobody's going to see it."

Why not?

Not to mention that all the early american antiques that fetch millions of dollars normally have cheap secondary woods like poplar and pine.

Some of it is 100% spot on, some of it is douche-ish.

Agonizing over the look of the menu bars - important. The shade of grey for the restroom signs - notsomuch.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Steve Jobs was an a-hole, and I do think most of his success in recent years was more due to marketing than legit innovation, but I actually do admire his obsession with detail.

This. Apple is the biggest marketing success of the 21st century. Right behind them is Nintendo, who actually swiped a few concepts from Apple marketing and used it for their own purposes.

/it bothers me when people talk about Jobs as an innovator. He didn't innovate technologies, he just knew how to sell them.

"Even when he was barely conscious, his strong personality came through. At one point the pulmonologist tried to put a mask over his face when he was deeply sedated. Jobs ripped it off and mumbled that he hated the design and refused to wear it. Though barely able to speak, he ordered them to bring five different options for the mask and he would pick a design he liked. The doctors looked at Powell, puzzled. She was finally able to distract him so they could put on the mask. He also hated the oxygen monitor they put on his finger. He told them it was ugly and too complex. He suggested ways it could be designed more simply. "He was very attuned to every nuance of the environment and objects around him, and that drained him," Powell recalled."


Wow. What an ass.

I liked the linked story where he blasts Murdoch telling him Fox News is a "Destructive Force in Our Society".

burndtdan: tuxq: You know, half of the reason America is in the current condition it is in is because lazy people who like to cut corners.

they should instead be geniuses who like to round corners.

A great carpenter isn't going to use lousy wood for the back of a cabinet, even though nobody's going to see it.

I spent many years in a very high end cabinet shop - this is utter horseshiat. When it comes to backs, nailers, dunage, cleats, etc. you just use whatever you have that will do the job. It simply doesn't matter. At all.

You don't have to like him (I don't), but it was his company and it made a gajillion bucks and he did it his way, which was his prerogative. He was onto something and he knew it and he wanted to do it right. It was his vision of reality and he built it as he envisioned it. More than we can say for most mediocre jerkwads who preside over and produce mediocre products.

/RIP, crazy anal dude.

Wasilla Hillbilly: Damn, I'm wondering was Jobs actually happy in life?

Hmmmm.

1. Crush your enemies?
Arguable, though the samsung and htc lawsuits were going well, and iphone/ipad have strong market share.

2. See them driven before you?
See #1. The legal thing was working, and even drove google to buy part of moto.

3. Hear the lamentation of their women?
Wasn't quite there yet.

Thus, he wore a heavy crown on his pointy head.