Retro becomes classic, and classic becomes oldies.

Well yeah. All the pretentious 20 something indie coonts are now 30 year old pretentious indie coonts.

That being said, I wouldn't buy a Lisa Loeb album, but I'd lick her ass.

There's indie ROCK out there too. You just have to put a little effort in.

/Jeff Tweedy is not the emperor of indie music.

Jake Havechek: Well yeah. All the pretentious 20 something indie coonts are now 30 year old pretentious indie coonts.

That being said, I wouldn't buy a Lisa Loeb album, but I'd lick her ass.

Interesting visual ....

JerseyTim: Bon Iver is Christopher Cross for people who think they're clever.

Yeh, an overdose of ironic appreciation combined with too much distance from its punk rock roots have enfeebled today's indie scene.

Altnation on Sirius XM used to have the slogan: "Your middle-aged lite rock, 20 years from now"

because one famous band gets lame a whole scene gets lame? lame

anyway, check these if you give a sh*t.
Black Keys - Lonely Boy (new window)

Guadalupe Plata - Pollo Podrio (new window)

Girls - Die (new window)

Happy Friday! Cheers!

Doesn't surprise me; I've been hearing REM and stuff like that played in the supermarket for six or seven years now.

Nothing says you're getting old better than finding that the music you listened to is now considered classics.

Old music is old.

This is what my donation to NPR paid for? I'm sending my tote bag back.

U2 was hip, fresh and alt when I first started listening to them... 31 years ago.

The first time I heard REM, it cost $2 at the door and a 2-drink minimum.

Wilco was an obscure Uncle Tupelo side-project when I bought their first album.


It has always been this way. It will continue being this way. You'll get over it.

JerseyTim: Bon Iver is Christopher Cross for people who think they're clever.

Over in two, and I actually enjoy Arthur's Theme and a few of his other songs.

And here I thought I was the only person around who still enjoyed The Delgados "Hate." "The Light Before We Land" is wonderful, even if it's thoroughly depressing. At least it was just slow noise-rock, which beats the folk-indie yawn fest of the past few years.

Oh, and somebody reinvent punk and metal already. We need insane guitar solos and guys with clothespins through their noses.

Dwight_Yeast: Doesn't surprise me; I've been hearing REM and stuff like that played in the supermarket for six or seven years now.

Hopefully not their newer stuff. Now there is a band that didn't age well.

JerseyTim: By the way, let's call it what it is. Radiohead, Wilco, Feist, etc... Easy listening.

So is Nick Lowe, everything Elvis Costello has made since 1982, John Hiatt, most all Neil Young's non Crazy Horse stuff, etc.

.... and there's absolutely nothing farking wrong with that.

Haha, gen Y is ooooooold.

Jake Havechek: I wouldn't buy a Lisa Loeb album, but I'd lick her ass.

Meh. I'll stick with Americana.

Link (Long Black Veil)

Link (Flying Shoes)

Link (Methamphetamine)

Link (Wild Wind)

Link (Can't Complain)

So what if Wilco and Feist and Radiohead is "adult contemprary" instead of "indie"? Who gives a fark what label is put on it, if you enjoy the music farking enjoy the music.

What I always find amusing is how much personal identity and need for social proof people put into the music they listen to. "Oh My God, I can't listen to that ... it has a melody, and I don't want people to think I'm one of those people who enjoys melodies!! I have an image to maintain!!"

In truth, I think generally if you're listening to the same type of music at 35 as you were when you were 18, you're doing it wrong. And if you're 35 and still worried whether the music you listen to is "cool" and seeking peer approval, you're especially doing it wrong.

InmanRoshi
And if you're 35 and still worried whether the music you listen to is "cool" and seeking peer approval, you're especially doing it wrong.


oh snap!


/getting a kick
//not seeking approval, just sharing...

Jake Havechek: That being said, I wouldn't buy a Lisa Loeb album, but I'd lick her ass.


if only there were images (and a video) of wear wearing a thong.

maybe someday we'll see that.

InmanRoshi: So what if Wilco and Feist and Radiohead is "adult contemprary" instead of "indie"? Who gives a fark what label is put on it, if you enjoy the music farking enjoy the music.

What I always find amusing is how much personal identity and need for social proof people put into the music they listen to. "Oh My God, I can't listen to that ... it has a melody, and I don't want people to think I'm one of those people who enjoys melodies!! I have an image to maintain!!"

In truth, I think generally if you're listening to the same type of music at 35 as you were when you were 18, you're doing it wrong. And if you're 35 and still worried whether the music you listen to is "cool" and seeking peer approval, you're especially doing it wrong.

As someone who just turned 35, I agree. I still listen to some stuff I liked when I was 18, but my tastes have broadened over the years and I now listen to a lot of "dad rock" (wilco, avett brothers, low anthem, band of horses, blitzen trapper, fruit bats, etc.). I don't really care how it is labeled or what others think about it. I just like the songs.

rickythepenguin:
if only there were images (and a video) of wear wearing a thong.

maybe someday we'll see that.

There wearing a thong.
There castle.

Well anyway - indie music is adult contemporary the second it's mentioned (breathless and fawningly) on NPR.

JerseyTim: By the way, let's call it what it is. Radiohead, Wilco, Feist, etc... Easy listening.

farking hell, i remember when wilco were good and radiohead actually rocked

JerseyTim: Bon Iver is Christopher Cross for people who think they're clever.

i know yer trolling but i dont see the comparison. falsetto? christopher cross actually had songs in english

busy chillin': because one famous band gets lame a whole scene gets lame? lame

anyway, check these if you give a sh*t.
Black Keys - Lonely Boy (new window)

Guadalupe Plata - Pollo Podrio (new window)

Girls - Die (new window)

Happy Friday! Cheers!

If there's any argument for Indie becoming adult contemporary, I'd say Girls is at the center of it. Whenever I listen to them I can't help thinking that they sound like the farking Eagles or Fleetwood Mac or something equally boring, but sung by a guy in a really small shirt.

JerseyTim: I'm saying they're both easy listening.

At least Mumford and Sons started out as elevator music - no genre changes needed.

89.3 The Current in St Paul/Minneapolis tries to stay current but you can tell they ride the fine line to bring the new music and keep enough old music to stay relevant on the dial.

I recently found a good podcast of new indie punk bands, look up the BBC Suffolk Presents podcast, lots of good, new local rural UK east of London material.

My mistake, it is the BBC Suffolk Introducing podcast.

EyeballKid: Old music is old.

Yes, though "new" music often has little--if any--content that isn't just a reshuffling of something that's been out there a good long time.

One of my music-industry friends defined "new" as "seemingly new to the people we hope will put out money for this stuff." A fashion-industry buddy said something remarkably similar, come to think of it....

Tremolo
If there's any argument for Indie becoming adult contemporary, I'd say Girls is at the center of it. Whenever I listen to them I can't help thinking that they sound like the farking Eagles or Fleetwood Mac or something equally boring, but sung by a guy in a really small shirt.

yeah, I was disappointed the rest of the album doesn't rock like "Die". Yeah, it is rather boring.

The F*cking Eagles? (new window)

kenny's mom

Yes, though "new" music often has little--if any--content that isn't just a reshuffling of something that's been out there a good long time.


It's almost like they are using instruments to make notes, chords and scales to create songs. Probably even use harmony and melody over a rhythmic beat.

Maybe this is something more you would like to see:
Hurra Torpedo (new window)

innovation, but at what price?

EyeballKid: Old music is old.

This.

I find "musical nostalgia" annoying and people who listen to the music of their youth exclusively to be somewhat sad, and certainly incurious.

New musicians are always being born, new music is always being made, and inevitably some of it will be great.

(although I must admit that when Pearl Jam was on PBS's American Masters last week, I felt really really old.)

busy chillin': Guadalupe Plata - Pollo Podrio (new window)

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Wow.

Where the hell were these guys when I lived in Spain? Why did I not hear about them?

Tax Boy: EyeballKid: Old music is old.

This.

I find "musical nostalgia" annoying and people who listen to the music of their youth exclusively to be somewhat sad, and certainly incurious.

New musicians are always being born, new music is always being made, and inevitably some of it will be great.

(although I must admit that when Pearl Jam was on PBS's American Masters last week, I felt really really old.)

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Really though, I still love some of the stuff I listened to when I was 10 and first discovering music, I also can't go a week without hearing a new band I like. It shouldn't matter when you heard something. If you enjoy it great, if not that's like your opinion man.

NicoFinn

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Wow.

Nice! Actually another Farker recommended them the other day so I checked 'em out. I was impressed as well.

But I'm a sucker for that dirty blues sound with a hint of slide.

Check this one out...

Boogie de la Muerte (new window)

Know what? Even the most painfully, nay, tragically hip kid is going to get older unless he dies young. Since dying young is a really bad idea, getting older is actually a good thing.

Once you're a grownup, your music becomes more mainstream. And, if your music is this side of thrash, it will become the new easy-listening that the hip, young guys mock. This is okay, too, because those kids will get older, and their kids will mock their alternative/outsider stuff, too. And those kids will "rediscover" the best of your music, giving it a new layer of cool.

Listen to some Nina and relax. (new window)

Maybe people dont actually like or dislike certain genres of music -- Imean, Im not going to say i like indie music -- how much of that stuff blows uncontrolable chunks? I like a few Garth Brooks songs but i dont usually like country songs...

Maybe its not that the music has changed, maybe its that the generation changed and people are just looking for a new way to brand or label themselves as different.

But we dont really like being different. We want to fit in with the edgy people but we still want to fit in. - So we label ourselves as counterculture so we can feel like individuals.

Has anyone ever stood up and said "Hey - I have fickle tastes and don't know if i like it until i listen to the actual song!"

And indie? really? your going to define a genre by the way its produced?

\DeaH: Even the most painfully, nay, tragically hip kid
\\eyeseawattudunthar

InmanRoshi

"So what if Wilco and Feist and Radiohead is "adult contemprary" instead of "indie"? Who gives a fark what label is put on it, if you enjoy the music farking enjoy the music.

What I always find amusing is how much personal identity and need for social proof people put into the music they listen to. "Oh My God, I can't listen to that ... it has a melody, and I don't want people to think I'm one of those people who enjoys melodies!! I have an image to maintain!!"

In truth, I think generally if you're listening to the same type of music at 35 as you were when you were 18, you're doing it wrong. And if you're 35 and still worried whether the music you listen to is "cool" and seeking peer approval, you're especially doing it wrong."

Bingo. Right you are.

And the age of a piece of music has nothing to do with it's quality. It's art. I haven't seen people biatch about how "irrelevant" Van Gogh or Monet are and how if you don't restrict your appreciation to only new paintings, you can't be one of the cool kids. That's just stupid and douchey.

My listening habits have changed tremendously over the years. When I was 18 I listened to mostly the usual classic rock stuff... Led Zeppelin, The Who, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd., etc. And I still go back once in awhile and listen to it. I still enjoy much of it. But these days I'm all over the place...

Wilco, Richard Thompson, Tom Waits, The Mars Volta, Guadalupe Plata, Eels, Nick Drake, Beck, Phoenix, The Rapture, Pere Ubu, The Pop Group, Nick Cave, Ian Dury, Captain Beefheart, Frank Zappa, Bush Tetras, Delta 5, Minutemen, Mission Of Burma, Gang Of Four, fIREHOSE, Killing Joke, Squirrel Bait, Joe Jackson, Hound Dog Taylor, Lucinda Williams, Southern Culture On The Skids, Wire, The dB's, The Monks, A Perfect Circle, John Hiatt, Diamanda Galas, Maria McKee, Scott Walker, Hunters & Collectors, Manic Street Preachers, a bunch of other weird stuff, and a ton of jazz from too many artists to mention. I get a thrill each time I uncover some unknown-to-me gem that's different from anything else I've heard. It doesn't matter one bit to me what time period it's from.

Music is a wonderful thing. Enjoy what you enjoy, and don't let any other dork tell you what you should like.

She's definitely retro, but seems fresh. Not cabaret, but classy. Not entirely rockabilly, but there's a lot of that there. Oh yeah, if she ever leaves her husband, I'm gonna kill my way to the front of the line

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I don't get all the Christopher Cross hate.
His debut album was one of the best debut albums of the 70's.
wonderfully crafted songs right out of the gate. so what if they were 'adult contemp'

Third_Uncle_Eno

"I don't get all the Christopher Cross hate."

He also plays a mean guitar. Check out the solo at the 3:35 mark. (new window)

GibbyTheMole

He also plays a mean guitar. Check out the solo at the 3:35 mark. (new window)

interesting.