Well blow me down

Private university? Tough shiat, Muslim dudes.

veedeevadeevoodee: / were they learning to blow ?

I usually find you awful, but that is a wonderful reference.

It's a private Catholic university. If the symbols of the Catholic religion (crucifixes, statues of saints, the Sacred Heart, etc.) offend you or make it difficult for you to practice your faith, maybe you should attend a public university instead.

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/ were they learning to blow ?

*golfclap*

/at the CYO

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/ were they learning to blow ?

Yes, but only where the Pampers is

kronicfeld: a wonderful reference

If you found it to be a wonderful reference, there was probably no need for the back of the hand.

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/ were they learning to blow ?

Yes, but only where the Pampers is

Bathia_Mapes: It's a private Catholic university. If the symbols of the Catholic religion (crucifixes, statues of saints, the Sacred Heart, etc.) offend you or make it difficult for you to practice your faith, maybe you should attend a public university instead.

Yeah, pretty much. If you go to a private, Catholic university, you should pretty much expect that there will be lots of Catholic things there and not so much for any other religion. As a very, very not religious person who supports freedom of religion, separation of church and state and all that, I don't think the Muslim students have much of an argument here.

WorldCitizen: Bathia_Mapes: It's a private Catholic university. If the symbols of the Catholic religion (crucifixes, statues of saints, the Sacred Heart, etc.) offend you or make it difficult for you to practice your faith, maybe you should attend a public university instead.

Yeah, pretty much. If you go to a private, Catholic university, you should pretty much expect that there will be lots of Catholic things there and not so much for any other religion. As a very, very not religious person who supports freedom of religion, separation of church and state and all that, I don't think the Muslim students have much of an argument here.

They should count themselves fortunate that they didn't enroll in either Bob Jones University or Liberty University (founded by Jerry Falwell), if either one of them would even consider admitting Muslim students in the first place.

This is a joke, right? They have no more right to expect that they will be catered to than I would to expect that I could get drunk in downtown Mecca. As if Muslims don't have enough trouble in this country, now they're finding ways to make themselves look bad and simultaneously confirm the biases of people who already distrust them.

If this actually goes to court it will be dismissed in about 5 seconds. The longest thing in that hearing will be the judge smacking the attorney's dick for wasting his time on patent nonsense.

Muslims attention whoring because they feel they are discriminated against in an institution that's designed for people of a different faith?

fark.

WorldCitizen: I don't think the Muslim students have much of an argument here.

I'd agree. Contrariwise, they apparently have a better than par lawyer.

Nohow... while the school is open to other faiths, it's privately established as Catholic. The most the litigants could accomplish with a ruling is keep the school from getting any iota of Federal funding (which may already be the case) and any students from getting Federally backed student loans or Pell grants... if the court was wildly left of the Warren Court era.

It isn't. And six of the nine current SCOTUS justices are Catholic. Come to that, I really don't think the three Jews will find the idea thrilling either.

I think the kook who keeps trying to sue "In God We Trust" off the US currency and "Under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance has a better chance at making his way all the way through the appeals process.

They may use the argument that since they were admitted in the first place, the school is under obligation to make a reasonable accommodation for them. I also wonder wtf they're doing there...learning about Catholicism? Free tuition?

Also, I wouldn't worry about the school's chances in a court of law - with the Church behind them, they can afford to throw the best lawyers at this for years...it's usually the best financed client who wins.

OK. Untwist your panties and skim the press release:*

"In a formal legal complaint at the Office of Human Rights, it is charged that Wuerl, Chancellor of the university, aided and abetted discrimination at CUA against Muslim students by denying them the same equal access to its facilities and services enjoyed by other student groups, including Jewish ones, solely on the basis of their religion.

"On another ground, the "complaint also charges that eliminating all mixed-gender dormitories on campus, and henceforth forcing students who live on campus to reside in single-sex segregated residences, constitutes discrimination on the basis of sex against female students since students will be assigned to dormitories solely on the basis of their sex, and many will be denied their residence of choice solely because of, and on the basis of, their sex."

"He notes further that the denial of recognition to a Muslim student group could hardly be based upon fundamental Catholic doctrine since Georgetown University not only has such a Muslim student group, but also provides its Muslim students with a separate prayer room and even a Muslim chaplain. Similarly, since CUA has had mixed-gender dormitories for about a quarter of a century, many other Catholic universities continue to provide students the choice of unsegregated campus housing, and Garvey failed to cite any religious reasons whatsoever for this recent decision to segregate CUA's dorms, it is very likely that Garvey and Wuerl will also be found guilty of discriminating illegally on the basis of sex, argues Banzhaf."

Personally, unless this is viewed as a negotiating strategy, I think it was a mistake to link these claims: the first shows inconsistency within Catholic University and is indefensible; the second shows a decision that has its roots in doctrine. Catholic University can argue that their interpretation is more faithful than that of Georgetown, and they provide a pure Catholicism, in the way that St. John's College in Annapolis and Santa Fe provides a pure humanist interpretation. Finally, the inept opening paragraphs of the press release bring up the unrelated child abuse cases, which is the sign of a weak and grasping argument.

* there's a PDF link in the article, and yes, 'untwist your panties' is used ironically.

/it's Fox News, people. Jesus. Did you really expect them not to twist this?

abb3w: WorldCitizen: I don't think the Muslim students have much of an argument here.

I'd agree. Contrariwise, they apparently have a better than par lawyer.

Nohow... while the school is open to other faiths, it's privately established as Catholic. The most the litigants could accomplish with a ruling is keep the school from getting any iota of Federal funding (which may already be the case) and any students from getting Federally backed student loans or Pell grants... if the court was wildly left of the Warren Court era.

It isn't. And six of the nine current SCOTUS justices are Catholic. Come to that, I really don't think the three Jews will find the idea thrilling either.

I think the kook who keeps trying to sue "In God We Trust" off the US currency and "Under God" out of the Pledge of Allegiance has a better chance at making his way all the way through the appeals process.

I think a far bigger thing isn't that it would get through the legislation, but that the university would cave under the pressure and expense of litigation for so many years. I'm fairly certain when such suits are threatened that's the real end goal of the majority of them.

Wait until they see Brandeis and Yeshiva.

I think subby is missing a few words in his/her headline. How does this stuff even get approved if no one even bothers to read it before greenlighting it?

Religion is farking retarded.

/In other news I went to a madrassa in Pakistan and when I told them there was waaaaaaaaaaaay too much Muslim stuff around and asked for a room with crosses where I could worship the only true God they cut off my head.

U MADrassa?

Relatively Obscure: Private university? Tough shiat, Muslim dudes.

Well said.

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/In other news I went to a madrassa in Pakistan and when I told them there was waaaaaaaaaaaay too much Muslim stuff around and asked for a room with crosses where I could worship the only true God they cut off my head.

If you were paying for the right to stay at the madrassa, and if the madrassa were in the USA, which is where the alleged poor behaviour took place and which has laws legislating against discrimination based upon religion, then your post would make sense.

As it is, it's just a ridiculous attempt to conflate two distinct, unrelated groups of people.

/Or a successful troll. I'm not sure which. If a troll, you get a 9.4

Then I'm a troll. Woohoo!