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(Boing Boing) Followup Iraq veteran injured by police at Occupy Oakland still in medically-induced coma. Article with link to donation page to help cover Olsen's medical expenses. He did what he could for the 99% - now it's our turn, Farkers   (boingboing.net) divider line 751
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2011-10-27 06:15:22 PM
I hate to sound like a jerk, and I may be wrong, but my inner skeptic is making me ask: as a combat veteran, doesn't the guy already have full medical benefits?
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2011-10-27 06:47:06 PM
+1, if only for his service to the country.
 
2011-10-27 06:59:09 PM
www.bartcop.com
 
2011-10-27 07:49:13 PM
gilgigamesh: I hate to sound like a jerk, and I may be wrong, but my inner skeptic is making me ask: as a combat veteran, doesn't the guy already have full medical benefits?

If you've read any of the articles, it states that he was discharged. It never specifies that it was honorable ... so, no ... if he received a big chicken dinner then the VA wouldn't cover anything.
 
2011-10-27 07:52:08 PM
gilgigamesh: I hate to sound like a jerk, and I may be wrong, but my inner skeptic is making me ask: as a combat veteran, doesn't the guy already have full medical benefits?

Nope. You only get benefits while you're in, our if you retire after 20+.
 
2011-10-27 07:54:45 PM
IamCeilingCat: gilgigamesh: I hate to sound like a jerk, and I may be wrong, but my inner skeptic is making me ask: as a combat veteran, doesn't the guy already have full medical benefits?

If you've read any of the articles, it states that he was discharged. It never specifies that it was honorable ... so, no ... if he received a big chicken dinner then the VA wouldn't cover anything.


What a Dick move... You don't get health insurance forever after a discharge before retirement.
 
2011-10-27 08:05:10 PM
KyngNothing: gilgigamesh: I hate to sound like a jerk, and I may be wrong, but my inner skeptic is making me ask: as a combat veteran, doesn't the guy already have full medical benefits?

Nope. You only get benefits while you're in, our if you retire after 20+.


Oh, that's the problem. I'm old, and my friends are just starting to retire from the military, so I was thinking from that perspective.
 
2011-10-27 08:52:17 PM
Service is the highest form of Patriotism
Dissent is the second highest

This man is guilty of both.
He knew the risks in both (although people shouldn't have to fear for their lives for peaceful civil disobedience)
yet he stood the line.
he would not be silenced by an overzealous authority

the least we can do is support people like him.
 
2011-10-27 08:57:08 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2011-10-27 09:03:44 PM
I'd just like to see what would happen if we ended up with a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation. It'd either make for very interesting politics and possibly even actual change, or a great sitcom pitch, at the very least.
 
2011-10-27 09:11:02 PM
Wintermute6: I'd just like to see what would happen if we ended up with a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation. It'd either make for very interesting politics and possibly even actual change, or a great sitcom pitch, at the very least.

I like the episode where the Tea Party and OWS paint a line dividing their apartment in half.

Oh, the hijinks that ensued.
 
2011-10-27 09:16:24 PM
Shostie: Wintermute6: I'd just like to see what would happen if we ended up with a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation. It'd either make for very interesting politics and possibly even actual change, or a great sitcom pitch, at the very least.

I like the episode where the Tea Party and OWS paint a line dividing their apartment in half.

Oh, the hijinks that ensued.


"If I have to leave the gun at home, you have to shave your dreadlocks and change into a clean shirt!"
 
2011-10-27 09:18:45 PM
You don't have to like the Occupy people to hate the f*cking scumbag police.
 
2011-10-27 09:26:59 PM
violentsalvation: You don't have to like the Occupy people to hate the f*cking scumbag police.

quien eres?
 
2011-10-27 09:29:21 PM
Anyone have any word on what this "police projectile" was yet?
 
2011-10-27 09:31:20 PM
fusillade762: Anyone have any word on what this "police projectile" was yet?

My guess would be a rubber bullet, bean bag or canister of stuff.
 
2011-10-27 09:31:43 PM
Some of you should go work for Bashar Al-Assad's regime. You'd fit in perfectly.
 
2011-10-27 09:33:46 PM
fusillade762: Anyone have any word on what this "police projectile" was yet?

tear gas canister fired from one of those launcher thingies on their bean bag rifle I believe they said.
 
2011-10-27 09:35:04 PM
Wintermute6: Shostie: Wintermute6: I'd just like to see what would happen if we ended up with a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation. It'd either make for very interesting politics and possibly even actual change, or a great sitcom pitch, at the very least.

I like the episode where the Tea Party and OWS paint a line dividing their apartment in half.

Oh, the hijinks that ensued.

"If I have to leave the gun at home, you have to shave your dreadlocks and change into a clean shirt!"


Oh man, that's genius. Somebody call CBS, quick!
 
2011-10-27 09:37:13 PM
Nadie_AZ: [i.imgur.com image 640x543]

Good stuff. Reposted.
 
2011-10-27 09:51:39 PM
Okay, I really prefer vintage jazz basses over precisions. In a pinch, I'll play a Stingray, however.
 
2011-10-27 10:00:28 PM
Don't fark with Wisconsin, Oakland.
 
2011-10-27 10:01:30 PM
Nadie_AZ: [i.imgur.com image 640x543]

There's an impossible to argue with diagram right there.
 
2011-10-27 10:06:09 PM
I hope he's okay.
 
2011-10-27 10:11:53 PM
IamCeilingCat: gilgigamesh: I hate to sound like a jerk, and I may be wrong, but my inner skeptic is making me ask: as a combat veteran, doesn't the guy already have full medical benefits?

If you've read any of the articles, it states that he was discharged. It never specifies that it was honorable ... so, no ... if he received a big chicken dinner then the VA wouldn't cover anything.


Where is the evidence of a BCD?
 
2011-10-27 10:16:04 PM
Oh look- Glenn Beck had something to say (new window).

BECK: The guy who was like there's no honor in this, these people are unarmed, there's no honor in this and I'm watching this [laughing] and I couldn't take it anymore, because the video shows this Marine yelling [mocking crying voice] stop brutalizing, we're unarmed! And the cops have their hands in their pockets. [...] They're like, "We know, we're standing here."

CO-HOST: What, you want us to brutalize you, is that what you want? [...]

OTHER CO-HOST: That video taken from the right angle is just one panicked man screaming. As long as you take that picture from one side, it's pretty dramatic.
 
2011-10-27 10:28:25 PM
Protip: When the police tell you to leave, it's time to leave.
 
2011-10-27 10:32:39 PM
Let's try this again.

When it comes to raising money for this guy, count me out. From everything I've read, here and elsewhere, the Oakland cops gave hours notice and multiple warnings that they were going to clear the protest site. Having done so, that makes the use of crowd control measures against the ones who remained legal and valid.

Sucks that this guy is in a coma, but it's not as though he didn't have warning. Even a vet can earn a Darwin award if he tries hard enough.
 
2011-10-27 10:35:50 PM
doyner: Where is the evidence of a BCD?

There is none. If he served and was discharged honorably without injury, his medical insurance would run out after a certain time.

ALSO, VA health care is ONLY valid at a VA hospital. So, if you are a disabled veteran and you are injured or sick, you MUST go to a VA. If you go anywhere else, you are responsible for paying the full cost of your health insurance.

This guy could be a triple amputee with a CMOH, and if he didn't have private health insurance, he would have to foot the bill for his medical care, because its not at a VA.
 
2011-10-27 10:40:00 PM
www.indybay.org
Hmmm... upon further reflection
maybe standing twenty feet away right in front of the Police barricades
in the direct path of the Police tear gas grenadiers firing their tear gas
after having been previously warned multiple times that they were going to launch tear gas
wasn't such a great idea after all


/my 2¢ donation
 
2011-10-27 10:42:35 PM
Meatzilla: [www.indybay.org image 428x640]
Hmmm... upon further reflection
maybe standing twenty feet away right in front of the Police barricades
in the direct path of the Police tear gas grenadiers firing their tear gas
after having been previously warned multiple times that they were going to launch tear gas
wasn't such a great idea after all

/my 2¢ donation


Yeah, you're tough.
 
2011-10-27 10:45:47 PM
Meatzilla: /my 2¢ donation

oh good, the asshole speaks. Please. bless us with your infinite wisdom.
 
2011-10-27 10:46:42 PM
Nadie_AZ: Meatzilla: [www.indybay.org image 428x640]
Hmmm... upon further reflection
maybe standing twenty feet away right in front of the Police barricades
in the direct path of the Police tear gas grenadiers firing their tear gas
after having been previously warned multiple times that they were going to launch tear gas
wasn't such a great idea after all

/my 2¢ donation

Yeah, you're tough.


Yeah, I am. Smart enough not to stand in the direct path of persons firing projectiles too, dumb00ty.

 

Also, j-walkblog.com
 
2011-10-27 10:48:48 PM
Meatzilla:
Yeah, I am. Smart enough not to stand in the direct path of persons firing projectiles too, dumb00ty.


so you agree with the protest, just not getting hit with tear gas.

got it.
 
2011-10-27 11:29:05 PM
www.indybay.org

He was so supportive of me fighting tyranny in Iraq but when it comes to fighting corporate tyranny here at home he's against me.Hmm, Maybe putting my life on the line in Iraq for two tours so that unappreciative people like Meatzilla could exercise their rights of free speech and assembly wasn't the brightest thing to do?
 
2011-10-27 11:30:19 PM
Hobodeluxe: [www.indybay.org image 428x640]

He was so supportive of me fighting tyranny in Iraq but when it comes to fighting corporate tyranny here at home he's against me.Hmm, Maybe putting my life on the line in Iraq for two tours so that unappreciative people like Meatzilla could exercise their rights of free speech and assembly wasn't the brightest thing to do?


*sigh*
 
2011-10-27 11:31:19 PM
FWIW, sorry the person got hurt. Hopefully they will stop this crap and go home and it can become peaceful there again.
 
2011-10-27 11:32:10 PM
People defending the police in this situation hardly deserve to call themselves American. They disgrace our country and all it stands for. I bet they all weep at the sight of the flag, too.
 
2011-10-27 11:41:35 PM
Hopefully OPD will be paying all of his medical bills and then some. Assholes.
/will contribute anyway though
 
2011-10-27 11:45:42 PM
gilgigamesh: I hate to sound like a jerk, and I may be wrong, but my inner skeptic is making me ask: as a combat veteran, doesn't the guy already have full medical benefits?

Nope. You'd have to retire after 20 years of Honorable Service to get full retiree health benefits. Or, your injuries have to have occurred while you were in, and you were given a disability rating, if you separated before retirement.

If he was in a Reserve status, he could buy discounted TRI-Care health insurance, at around $55 bucks a month.
 
2011-10-27 11:52:03 PM
gilgigamesh: I hate to sound like a jerk, and I may be wrong, but my inner skeptic is making me ask: as a combat veteran, doesn't the guy already have full medical benefits?

Tricare, I believe.
 
2011-10-27 11:52:45 PM
Sgt Otter: gilgigamesh: I hate to sound like a jerk, and I may be wrong, but my inner skeptic is making me ask: as a combat veteran, doesn't the guy already have full medical benefits?

Nope. You'd have to retire after 20 years of Honorable Service to get full retiree health benefits. Or, your injuries have to have occurred while you were in, and you were given a disability rating, if you separated before retirement.

If he was in a Reserve status, he could buy discounted TRI-Care health insurance, at around $55 bucks a month.


He wasn't a reservist. There's no way he'd go back (even to the reserves) once his time was up.

/worked with the guy for nearly 2 years
//smart as hell
 
2011-10-27 11:53:14 PM
AdolfOliverPanties: [www.bartcop.com image 640x430]

Clearly, an armed protest is a polite protest...

/wouldn't that be terrible if I was actually correct?
 
2011-10-27 11:54:31 PM
Hobodeluxe: [www.indybay.org image 428x640]

He was so supportive of me fighting tyranny in Iraq but when it comes to fighting corporate tyranny here at home he's against me.Hmm, Maybe putting my life on the line in Iraq for two tours so that unappreciative people like Meatzilla could exercise their rights of free speech and assembly wasn't the brightest thing to do?


 

Right, tool, 'cause you know OWS Protestors are the actual true blue America loving patriots (new window) exercising their rights of free speech and assembly under the hospice of an idiot who apparently never learned during those alleged two tours in Iraq not to just stand there in the line of fire.
 
2011-10-27 11:55:02 PM
 
2011-10-27 11:56:19 PM
what_now: doyner: Where is the evidence of a BCD?

There is none. If he served and was discharged honorably without injury, his medical insurance would run out after a certain time.

ALSO, VA health care is ONLY valid at a VA hospital. So, if you are a disabled veteran and you are injured or sick, you MUST go to a VA. If you go anywhere else, you are responsible for paying the full cost of your health insurance.

This guy could be a triple amputee with a CMOH, and if he didn't have private health insurance, he would have to foot the bill for his medical care, because its not at a VA.


That's incorrect. I made the call to authorize impatient stays from the VA auth department many times. If it requires higher level of care they auth the stay. Transfer to VA inpatient when stable. Same for non-critical admits. Stabilize and transfer. I don't know this guy's whole story but if he was eligible for VA benefits they'd cover the stay at a non VA facility. Its pennies on the dollar but the hospital has to accept and the vet isn't liable for anything except copay, out of pocket, or deductible. Only if he has those
 
2011-10-27 11:56:32 PM
That was some cowardly bullshiat there Mr. "Holier-than-thou" Policeman. What a farking idiot. If you aren't outraged by that video, you're a moron.
 
2011-10-27 11:56:35 PM
Meatzilla: Hobodeluxe: [www.indybay.org image 428x640]

He was so supportive of me fighting tyranny in Iraq but when it comes to fighting corporate tyranny here at home he's against me.Hmm, Maybe putting my life on the line in Iraq for two tours so that unappreciative people like Meatzilla could exercise their rights of free speech and assembly wasn't the brightest thing to do?

 

Right, tool, 'cause you know OWS Protestors are the actual true blue America loving patriots (new window) exercising their rights of free speech and assembly under the hospice of an idiot who apparently never learned during those alleged two tours in Iraq not to just stand there in the line of fire.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

/it's fun to watch you flounder
 
2011-10-27 11:56:56 PM
Maybe this can lead to an unintended good, medical benefits for life for all veterans, regardless of combat experience or anything else as long as it's an honorable discharge they leave with they get full medical for life.
 
2011-10-27 11:57:14 PM
Kung_Fu_Hamster: Sgt Otter: gilgigamesh: I hate to sound like a jerk, and I may be wrong, but my inner skeptic is making me ask: as a combat veteran, doesn't the guy already have full medical benefits?

Nope. You'd have to retire after 20 years of Honorable Service to get full retiree health benefits. Or, your injuries have to have occurred while you were in, and you were given a disability rating, if you separated before retirement.

If he was in a Reserve status, he could buy discounted TRI-Care health insurance, at around $55 bucks a month.

He wasn't a reservist. There's no way he'd go back (even to the reserves) once his time was up.

/worked with the guy for nearly 2 years
//smart as hell


Even if you're in the IRR (Inactive Ready Reserve) you qualify. Everybody enlists for 8 years, period. Whatever time you didn't serve on active duty, you have to complete as an Inactive Reservist, until you hit your 8 years. If you do 4 active, you do 4 IRR. 6 active, 2 IRR, etc. It's beaten in your head at the recruiter's office.

It's why I was rolling my eyes when dudes who got "drafted" by Stop-Loss acted like it was some super-secret fine print policy.
 
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