Oh this article/study comes out about once every five years.

The article mentions washing hunting clothes. You don't do that, unless they happen to get something really nasty or chemicals on them.
Otherwise: Leave them outside, 24/7.

Anyhow..
We've all known forever that you can't "sneak up on" an animal very well. We're not stabbing the farkers, we're shooting them.(unless you're a bow hunter of course). We all know it's difficult, that's why we sit around and wait in a high traffic area(deer, duck, goose), unless we're pheasant hunting, then we want to scare the prey up.

basemetal: Meh, hunting isn't much of a sport anymore. Scope area with game cameras, set up stand, place feeders (or water in the drought that we have had), keep the feeder going through season, finally work your way to the stand, shoot the prey, get drunk with your buddies at camp.

/try not to accidentally shoot a drunk buddy

Feeders or other lures and such may not be legal everywhere, I'm pretty sure it's not here.

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Anyhow, kind of a stupid lead in to what the article is really about, not typically hunted animals, but odd birds and how they communicate. Someone's just trying to get attention by tying their study into the fall hunting season.

Around here we call that "Tuesday"

Wednesday is raccoon urine.

Spread some corn on the ground and hide. Instant dinner!

/26 minutes until I have to go to the ground blind

give me doughnuts
That explains why no hunter has ever killed any animal in all the thousands of years that humans have been hunting.

^^ This.

give me doughnuts: That explains why no hunter has ever killed any animal in all the thousands of years that humans have been hunting.

RTFA

omeganuepsilon: Feeders or other lures and such may not be legal everywhere, I'm pretty sure it's not here.



Deer bait. Sold by the 50-pound bags in Michigan.

/You start the bait pile a few weeks before hunting season, then you get on your ATV, drive out to the bait pile, hide and wait. Now that's hunting.

Ron White on deer hunting (new window) for anybody living under a rock.

Leaving out food for the thing you're hunting seems like cheating.

cryinoutloud: omeganuepsilon: Feeders or other lures and such may not be legal everywhere, I'm pretty sure it's not here.

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Deer bait. Sold by the 50-pound bags in Michigan.

/You start the bait pile a few weeks before hunting season, then you get on your ATV, drive out to the bait pile, hide and wait. Now that's hunting.

Wabbit bait

Befuddled: Leaving out food for the thing you're hunting seems like cheating.

Nothing about hunting was ever meant to be fair.

I don't hunt but I never understood the concept of 'fair' or 'cheating' in hunting. It's a common criticism I hear, but it presumes that the point of hunting *should* include fairness. And I just don't see how anyone could think that. It's like complaining that 'bowling' isn't fair because the pins don't get to throw balls at you...or gymnastics is unfair because the vault doesn't get to jump on you. And if you take your gun to the gun range and shoot at paper cutouts of people, nobody tells you how unfair it is.

As best as I can tell hunting is either about (or a combination of) target practice/shooting stuff or getting food.

Target practice isn't supposed to be fair (and if it is, it's called war, but even then, it's rarely fair).
Getting food isn't supposed to be fair either. The alternative to hunting animals is raising them and slaughtering them. They keep them locked up, feed them, even establish a relationship with them, then herd them into a slaughter house.

If you had to kill your own meat in a 'fair' fight - we'd all be vegetarians (or really close to it). I'm not going to run down a pig with a bare hands, grab it, and punch it to death. I'm certainly not going to kill a cow like that.

omeganuepsilon:
Anyhow, kind of a stupid lead in to what the article is really about, not typically hunted animals, but odd birds and how they communicate. Someone's just trying to get attention by tying their study into the fall hunting season.

"Someone" would be the journalist, not the scientist.

My hunting procedure:

Make breakfast.
Look out kitchen window.
Make coffee.
Look out kitchen window.
Eat breakfast.
Look out kitchen window.
See deer walking through woods.
Open window.
Shoot deer.
Close window.
Drink coffee.
Clean up breakfast dishes.
Get dressed.
Go outside, dress and hang deer.

Ta-daaah.

/Yes, I live in my hunting blind, and yes it does have a mortgage.

Just finished cutting and wrapping half a moose. Thinking of going out for mulies with my bow for a jerky buck.

The filter blocks pre-democtratic Russia now?

Balchinian: My hunting procedure:

Make breakfast.
Look out kitchen window.
Make coffee.
Look out kitchen window.
Eat breakfast.
Look out kitchen window.
See deer walking through woods.
Open window.
Shoot deer.
Close window.
Drink coffee.
Clean up breakfast dishes.
Get dressed.
Go outside, dress and hang deer.

Ta-daaah.

/Yes, I live in my hunting blind, and yes it does have a mortgage.

Same where I live, their path from one part of the woods to another goes right through the backyard. So far I have seen about 8 turkeys and dozens of deer walk through the yard.

cryinoutloud: omeganuepsilon: Feeders or other lures and such may not be legal everywhere, I'm pretty sure it's not here.

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Deer bait. Sold by the 50-pound bags in Michigan.

/You start the bait pile a few weeks before hunting season, then you get on your ATV, drive out to the bait pile, hide and wait. Now that's hunting.

In some areas in Wisconsin baiting isn't allowed due to Chronic Wasting Disease.

omeganuepsilon: We're not stabbing the farkers, we're shooting them.(unless you're a bow hunter of course).

You don't shoot a bow?

Mentalpatient87: omeganuepsilon: We're not stabbing the farkers, we're shooting them.(unless you're a bow hunter of course).

You don't shoot a bow?

No, I do not, not since gym in junior high anyhow. That's why I didn't think about the terminology. First thing most people think of when they hear of someone getting shot is with a firearm, at least that's the circle of thought my mind latched onto.

*shrugs*
My bad.

cryinoutloud: Deer bait. Sold by the 50-pound bags in Michigan.
A quick google show's it's not legal in South Dakota.

In fact, here's a list:
States where no deer feeding is allowed include: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Missouri, Minnesota, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

However, baiting deer is allowed in these states: Arizona, Hawaii, Kansas, Nevada, New Hampshire, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Utah, and Washington.

And yet other states, a third category, have current restrictions on baiting deer, kind of walking the line between deeming the process of putting out food to attract deer for the purpose of hunting as OK in some situations, but not in others. They are: Connecticut, Florida, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Texas, and Wisconsin.

From:
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Personally I don't care. I don't hunt(anymore, getting up hours before dawn is a sin against the FSM), but I do think that deer are vermin just as much as racoons or anything else I might hit on the road at night in the middle of no where. They also tend to be the ruin of gardens, eater of apples off your trees, etc. Ducks and geese and such aren't so bad, they're not so much vermin and a nuisance.

Fark wildlife. Most anyone will swat a mosquito without blinking, why are the larger fuzzy animals any better?

LockeOak: omeganuepsilon:
Anyhow, kind of a stupid lead in to what the article is really about, not typically hunted animals, but odd birds and how they communicate. Someone's just trying to get attention by tying their study into the fall hunting season.

"Someone" would be the journalist, not the scientist.

Par for the course I suppose, a supposed journalist farking up a decent science article.

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Balchinian: My hunting procedure:

Make breakfast.
Look out kitchen window.
Make coffee.
Look out kitchen window.
Eat breakfast.
Look out kitchen window.
See deer walking through woods.
Open window.
Shoot deer.
Close window.
Drink coffee.
Clean up breakfast dishes.
Get dressed.
Go outside, dress and hang deer.

Ta-daaah.

/Yes, I live in my hunting blind, and yes it does have a mortgage.

i like your style.

cryinoutloud: /You start the bait pile a few weeks before hunting season, then you get on your ATV, drive out to the bait pile, hide and wait. Now that's hunting.

FTFA:
But guess what? Chances are good that every deer, elk, bird and squirrel within the farthest range of your high-powered rifle was fully aware of your presence.

Bull. I go in before they are awake (at least before the birds and squirrels). I'm there for the awakening of the forest, and let me tell you, it's a magical time on a crisp fall morning to have the woods come alive all around you.

basemetal: Meh, hunting isn't much of a sport anymore. Scope area with game cameras, set up stand, place feeders (or water in the drought that we have had), keep the feeder going through season, finally work your way to the stand, shoot the prey, get drunk with your buddies at camp.

/try not to accidentally shoot a drunk buddy

Well, you don't *HAVE* to do those things.

I hunt from the ground only, don't put up cameras or bait of any kind, I certainly don't drink*, and instead of the latest 300+ IBO wheelie wonder, I use this for bow season:



Once I get good enough at it (haven't knapped any in a while!), I'm going to use something like this in place of steel broadheads:



And instead of a synthetic-stocked over-scoped stainless steel Remington Woodsblaster, I use this for gun season:



Mirror, mirror, on the wall, whose the fair-chasiest of them all?


*At least, not while hunting. I drink a beer or two perhaps once every few months, but haven't had any since I went low-carb.

omeganuepsilon: Mentalpatient87: omeganuepsilon: We're not stabbing the farkers, we're shooting them.(unless you're a bow hunter of course).

You don't shoot a bow?

No, I do not, not since gym in junior high anyhow. That's why I didn't think about the terminology. First thing most people think of when they hear of someone getting shot is with a firearm, at least that's the circle of thought my mind latched onto.

*shrugs*
My bad.

To be fair, though, using a modern compound bow doesn't require anywhere near as much skill and practice as a traditional recurve or longbow. Friend of mine has the latest in compound bow technology, and it shoots a very light carbon arrow so fast that he only needs 1 sight pin out to 40 yards. He certainly could shoot smaller groups than I could at 20 yards. *MUCH* smaller. I lent him a recurve, and though he thought himself quite the archer, he was humbled.

He wasn't that good, his equipment was.

He has since at least partially seen the light: He's going to use the recurve now that he's got his first deer of the year, but I fear he won't have enough time to practice with it properly.

sorry, I couldn't make it past "buck fever"

Mr. Bombtrack: sorry, I couldn't make it past "buck fever"

Spoonerise that phrase, and you'll have a damn good life philosophy.

theorellior: I love the idea that people pore over Field & Stream to get the latest in hunting strategies. Aren't most hunting strategies hundreds, if not thousands of years old?

Yes, and no.

Certainly, the basics haven't changed in the past 100,000 years, but there are always new variations on a theme. Some of those are due to modern technology making some things possible that were previously impossible (like a 200 yard shot), and some are probably just reinventions of previously known, but forgotten techniques.

You also have to remember that transmission of that knowledge amongst hunter/gatherers was pretty good: Successful techniques would get passed on to the new generation, and unsuccessful ones would be forgotten. This is much less true among modern hunters. Yeah, you learn how to hunt mainly from family. But if all your dad ever hunted was deer, squirrels, and rabbits, what if you want to go bear hunting? Or turkey hunting? What if you want to go after elk, moose, ducks, geese, mountain lions, coyote, raccoons, etc.? All those require different techniques, and if you or your family don't have experience in doing them beforehand, you need to learn how from *SOMEWHERE*.

That fox urine is my cologne.

theorellior: Barakku: That fox urine is my cologne.

So you're an Axe man, then.

No, that's weasel piss.

theorellior: dittybopper: No, that's weasel piss.

Do weasels wear pink polos with the collars popped, too?

Well, there is a certain mustelic quality to anyone who does that, so I'd be comfortable with answering in the affirmative.

meat0918: cryinoutloud: omeganuepsilon: Feeders or other lures and such may not be legal everywhere, I'm pretty sure it's not here.

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Deer bait. Sold by the 50-pound bags in Michigan.

/You start the bait pile a few weeks before hunting season, then you get on your ATV, drive out to the bait pile, hide and wait. Now that's hunting.

I thought Bovine TB was putting a damper on bait piles?

//From Michigan, moved to Oregon a few years back, just started hunting this year in Oregon, haven't seen shiat(or rubs, or any other sign of deer).

DNR opened it up statewide this year except for the TB zone. Although there are rules. You cannot put it out prior to the season and you cannot put out 50lbs at a time. Although, I'm sure some people do.

I always found it funny that some of the most fervent anti-bait hunters set up their stands over a corn field.

Fark_Guy_Rob: Befuddled: Leaving out food for the thing you're hunting seems like cheating.

Nothing about hunting was ever meant to be fair.

I don't hunt but I never understood the concept of 'fair' or 'cheating' in hunting. It's a common criticism I hear, but it presumes that the point of hunting *should* include fairness. And I just don't see how anyone could think that. It's like complaining that 'bowling' isn't fair because the pins don't get to throw balls at you...or gymnastics is unfair because the vault doesn't get to jump on you. And if you take your gun to the gun range and shoot at paper cutouts of people, nobody tells you how unfair it is.

As best as I can tell hunting is either about (or a combination of) target practice/shooting stuff or getting food.

Target practice isn't supposed to be fair (and if it is, it's called war, but even then, it's rarely fair).
Getting food isn't supposed to be fair either. The alternative to hunting animals is raising them and slaughtering them. They keep them locked up, feed them, even establish a relationship with them, then herd them into a slaughter house.

If you had to kill your own meat in a 'fair' fight - we'd all be vegetarians (or really close to it). I'm not going to run down a pig with a bare hands, grab it, and punch it to death. I'm certainly not going to kill a cow like that.

You've heard of bumpers, correct? Rail guards to ensure a hit? There are ways to make it less sporting and more pathetic. Bait piles are on par with those.

cryinoutloud: omeganuepsilon: Feeders or other lures and such may not be legal everywhere, I'm pretty sure it's not here.

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Deer bait. Sold by the 50-pound bags in Michigan.

/You start the bait pile a few weeks before hunting season, then you get on your ATV, drive out to the bait pile, hide and wait. Now that's hunting.

It's not legal in Indiana. You cannot bait a site for ten days before going hunting there. I don't really have to worry about that. I going hunting in the orchard part of my aunt's farm. Failing that, it's not like there aren't any corn fields in Indiana.

Round these parts we can't use high-powered rifles for deer. You have to use shotguns or muzzle-loaders. You can't use a crossbow without a note from your doctor saying you can't draw a bow. You can't use dogs to hunt deer or bait.

The best "easy" way to hunt deer in Illinois is driving them. Find a stand of timber and have some members of your hunting party walk through the timber while the others stand at the far end. If there are deer in those timber, they will spook out and get shot. Just don't shoot your friends.

Having recently (last 2 years or so) learned how to use firearms, I want to go hunting somewheres. Living near VA, I'm sure I CAN, I just don't know anyone to go with.

Unless I stand on my parents' deck, but I have a feeling discharging such weaponry in suburbia is frowned upon.

Bambi's Mom: "MAN has been in the forest:"

Time Traveling Bunnies: dittybopper: To be fair, though, using a modern compound bow doesn't require anywhere near as much skill and practice as a traditional recurve or longbow. Friend of mine has the latest in compound bow technology, and it shoots a very light carbon arrow so fast that he only needs 1 sight pin out to 40 yards. He certainly could shoot smaller groups than I could at 20 yards. *MUCH* smaller. I lent him a recurve, and though he thought himself quite the archer, he was humbled.

He wasn't that good, his equipment was.

He has since at least partially seen the light: He's going to use the recurve now that he's got his first deer of the year, but I fear he won't have enough time to practice with it properly.

That was always my problem with hunting. There's no real skill involved in the way it's done now. I would laugh at my friends who send out pictures of their spike that they waited four hours over a food plot to walk by.

In the past year or two, I've started trying it but only with a steady progression towards bows and longbows at that. I hate all that compound bows stand for. I don't really count "trophy deer" when they've been hit with a rifle or compound arrow.

It's my prejudice to bare, but I don't think it's true hunting.

I have a more expansive view: I don't begrudge those people their modern rifles and compound bows, I started the same way. It just became what I consider to be "too easy", and quite frankly, I'm the only one in my house that will eat venison anyway, so more than one deer is always surplus. Instead of going for bigger and better trophies, like some people do, I satisfy myself with making it harder. That yearling doe taken by flintlock or longbow is more of a trophy than the eight pointer shot from 100 yards away in a tree stand, to me at least.

I also recognize that there is a danger in the attitude that "I'm better than the person who does X", because divisions like that can be exploited to limit hunting opportunities. That's not to say that I'm against regulations that make sense from an actual conservation or safety point of view, but I am against ones that are politically motivated in the guise of conservation or safety. That's why I won't rail against hunting over bait, etc. It's not my thing, but I recognize that we must all hang together, or we will most assuredly hang separately.