Too late.

Thank you for creating a rallying cry for the rest of us.

"Was that wrong? Should I have not done that?"

She's sorry--she's sorry people noticed.

Yup... And now that the video of Scott Olsen's perceived attack on police is out there, the rallying cry will be greater.

Quan thread?



/oblig

Oakland's calling for a strike on November 2? Strange, I didn't know there were any jobs in Oakland.

vernonFL: [biodork.files.wordpress.com image 400x366]

QUAAAAAAAAAAN!

I should not have LOL'd so hard.

netweavr: Oakland's calling for a strike on November 2? Strange, I didn't know there were any jobs in Oakland.

Nono, they're calling to strike November 2nd - the date itself. They'll all sleep through it.

from: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/19/world/middleeast/19Obama-Statement-o n-Syria.html

The United States opposes the use of violence against peaceful protesters in Syria, and we support the universal rights of the Syrian people. We have imposed sanctions on President Assad and his government. The European Union has imposed sanctions as well.

Now replace Syria with Oakland and have fun kids...

vernonFL: [biodork.files.wordpress.com image 400x366]

QUAAAAAAAAAAN!

+1

Made me laugh.

OWS protestors need to take a page out of the book from the Stonewall Riots. (new window)



The streets were filled with people like the above where they fought against the police crackdown while doing Rockettes kicks and singing... and they won! They pushed the police back and cleared the area for themselves.

If you haven't watched it, Stonewall Uprising (new window) is a great PBS documentary about homosexual descrimination in the 1960's leading up to the riot in New York.

atomic-age: She's sorry--she's sorry people noticed.

She's also sorry that canister hit a vet. Damn the luck!

monoski: from: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/19/world/middleeast/19Obama-Statement-o n-Syria.html

The United States opposes the use of violence against peaceful protesters in Syria, and we support the universal rights of the Syrian people. We have imposed sanctions on President Assad and his government. The European Union has imposed sanctions as well.

Now replace Syria with Oakland and have fun kids...

I wish the EU would sanction the US because of violence towards protestors. Many lulz would be had.

Well, she Quan't win her next election, anyway

atomic-age: She's sorry--she's sorry people noticed.

WTF Indeed: Thank you for creating a rallying cry for the rest of us.

What rallying cry, obey lawful police orders or get yourself farked up?

Occam's Nailfile: WTF Indeed: Thank you for creating a rallying cry for the rest of us.

What rallying cry, obey lawful police orders or get yourself farked up?

Yes. Go to bed, citizen, or we will literally throw explosives in your face.

Occam's Nailfile: WTF Indeed: Thank you for creating a rallying cry for the rest of us.

What rallying cry, obey lawful police orders or get yourself farked up?

How do I know you did not watch the video?

Trawg: atomic-age: She's sorry--she's sorry people noticed.

She's also sorry that canister hit a vet. Damn the luck!

It's okay - I heard the guy is probably gay anyways, which means he was never a real soldier, so we can still cheer on our hard-working police for putting those smelly hippies in their place.

Occam's Nailfile: WTF Indeed: Thank you for creating a rallying cry for the rest of us.

What rallying cry, obey lawful police orders or get yourself farked up?

"Immediate obedience or swift, brutal punishment" is not how a civilized society functions.

tricycleracer: monoski: from: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/19/world/middleeast/19Obama-Statement-o n-Syria.html

The United States opposes the use of violence against peaceful protesters in Syria, and we support the universal rights of the Syrian people. We have imposed sanctions on President Assad and his government. The European Union has imposed sanctions as well.

Now replace Syria with Oakland and have fun kids...

I wish the EU would sanction the US because of violence towards protestors. Many lulz would be had.

I am pushing for NATO air support to protect the citizens from their government.

Occam's Nailfile: WTF Indeed: Thank you for creating a rallying cry for the rest of us.

What rallying cry, obey lawful police orders or get yourself farked up?

And you don't see the problem with it being a "lawful order" to disperse a protest that the government disagrees with?

/"Of the people, by the people, for the people" is just a catchy slogan and not was not intended to be a factual statement.

Occam's Nailfile: WTF Indeed: Thank you for creating a rallying cry for the rest of us.

What rallying cry, obey lawful police orders or get yourself farked up?

It's called civil disobedience, and it's an inseparable part of any healthy free country. It's okay, not all of us were raised to know when to break the rules.

They should punish those evil police officers by taking their collective bargaining rights away.

AngryTeacher: Occam's Nailfile: WTF Indeed: Thank you for creating a rallying cry for the rest of us.

What rallying cry, obey lawful police orders or get yourself farked up?

How do I know you did not watch the video?

I saw it, and yeah, the cops used more force than needed. But like lots of farkers, the protestors are angling for confrontation. I hate cops, probably more than most people, as I have seen first hand what power-drunk bastards they can be. But when they come at you 100 strong with bullhorns and riot gear, and you don't do what you're told to do, you're begging to get farked up.

TFA: Jean Quan wrote that she will "personally monitor" investigations of police misconduct.

Given that she "personally ordered" the crackdown in the first place, I have the utmost confidence that this investigation will be a sham.

Occam's Nailfile: What rallying cry, obey lawful police orders or get yourself farked up?

What specifically makes a ploice order lawful? Simply that it is from a LEO? If a LEO tells me to F myself, can he then arrest me for public indecency if I do, or arrest me for not "obeying a lawful police order" if I don't? Sounds like a win /win for the cop...

I get the feeling she's more incompetent than heavy-handed. Having seen her on TV a bunch locally, she isn't a very imposing or confident authority figure. She probably told the police chief to clean things up, but don't use too much force, and he was like "whatever lady" and went out there and beat some ass.

Occam's Nailfile: WTF Indeed: Thank you for creating a rallying cry for the rest of us.

What rallying cry, obey lawful police orders or get yourself farked up?

You're right, aiming a tear gas canister at someones head is clearly the proper response to non compliance. I personally think that isn't good enough. Someone should have tossed a flash bang at the group trying to assist the man with a massive head wound on top of it.

Defending what happened there makes you a shiatty human being. Or are you one of the naive morons who believe that guy got hit in the head by that canister on accident and that the flash bang wasn't an attempt to cause extra, unnecessary harm to that group who tried to help him?

Occam's Nailfile: What rallying cry, obey lawful police orders or get yourself farked up?

Er, it's not a lawful police order, they have the right to assemble.

Occam's Nailfile: But like lots of farkers, the protestors are angling for confrontation.

Know how I know you haven't actually read up on any of the protest groups?

brukmann: Occam's Nailfile: WTF Indeed: Thank you for creating a rallying cry for the rest of us.

What rallying cry, obey lawful police orders or get yourself farked up?

It's called civil disobedience, and it's an inseparable part of any healthy free country. It's okay, not all of us were raised to know when to break the rules.

Hey, I'm all for civil disobedience. I wouldn't call myself an OWS supporter, but I support people's right to protest, and sympathize with the people protesting. But these confrontations are going to continue because the protestors WANT them to happen. I don't feel sympathy for the people who get knocked around when they are TRYING to get knocked around.

Bullchit. WTF is this?

99% of our officers stayed professional during difficult and dangerous circumstances as did some of the demonstrators who dissuaded other protestors from vandalizing downtown and for helping to keep the demonstrations peaceful.

I think she may have that backward . . .

(or could she possibly mean only some of the protestors who dissuaded others from vandalism were professional while the other dissuaders were dicks about NOT VANDALIZING?)

vernonFL: Now replace Syria with Oakland and have fun kids..


In Syria over 3000 people have been killed and thousands more tortured and imprisoned.

In Oakland, 1 protester was accidentally severely injured.

See the difference?

While I agree there is a difference in magnitude, I wish to point out:

Being shot, at close range, in the head, by a 'less lethal' round is not exactly an accident. Unless these guns just magically discharge themselves?

vernonFL: In Syria over 3000 people have been killed and thousands more tortured and imprisoned.

In Oakland, 1 protester was accidentally severely injured.

See the difference?

no, because in syria the population lives in what is widely considered to be the freest and fairest (although flawed) political and economic system in the world, while the economic picture is not so rosy in america. there is no freedom of speech and little economic opportunity, which is why noone immigrates to that shiathole. furthermore if you try to disrupt the little economic activity left and destroy public property (taxes are theft, so all public property should be destroyed), the police assault the shiat out of you.

hopefully both the law enforcement and the protestors will take steps to ensure that the protests can remain non-violent in the future. both sides claim to be their for everyone's protection, so hopefully they can both begin to act like it.

MFL: They should punish those evil police officers by taking their collective bargaining rights away.

Got anything to contribute? No? Just that snarky little barb that holds up to no scrutiny in the context of the events or discussion? Okay, keep it up, then.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The right wing butthurt over this is going to be so sweet.

Why would anyone want to be a cop in Oakland? What's the point?

Occam's Nailfile: But these confrontations are going to continue because the protestors WANT them to happen.

No they don't. There was no need for the police to be out in riot gear and be lobbing canisters of tear gas. Part of crowd control is not escalating a situation.

Occam's Nailfile: But when they come at you 100 strong with bullhorns and riot gear, and you don't do what you're told to do, you're begging to get farked up.

Only if you're a farking coward. Some people are willing to stand up for what they believe in, and the riot-clad security forces don't scare them.

Because this is, in many ways, a win for OWS. Have a few videos of jackbooted "security forces" pepperspraying and beating and teargassing peaceful protestors, and people REALLY start to open their eyes to oppression they hadn't even seen before.

Ask anyone who was in Tahrir Square.

vernonFL: Now replace Syria with Oakland and have fun kids..


In Syria over 3000 people have been killed and thousands more tortured and imprisoned.

In Oakland, 1 protester was accidentally severely injured.

See the difference?

Did all 3000 Syrians get killed in the same instant, or was in an escalation over time? Freedom is paper-thin, it can't be easily cemented like oppression.

vernonFL: In Syria over 3000 people have been killed and thousands more tortured and imprisoned.

In Oakland, 1 protester was accidentally severely injured.

See the difference?

In Syria, they've had an open, armed rebellion and have overthrown their government, slaughtering their oppressors by the hundreds.

In Oakland, peaceful protesters have carried signs and chanted.

See the difference?

Trawg: Defending what happened there makes you a shiatty human being. Or are you one of the naive morons who believe that guy got hit in the head by that canister on accident and that the flash bang wasn't an attempt to cause extra, unnecessary harm to that group who tried to help him?

I do NOT defend what happened there. Like I said earlier, it was unnecessary force, and you'll be unlikely to see me EVER defend a cop. But when you are begging for confrontation, you're likely to get it. The OWSers WANT a flash point:

WTF Indeed: Thank you for creating a rallying cry for the rest of us.

Well, fine. So be it. But if you manage to push the envelope just far enough to trigger an over the top response, well, you kinda got what you were asking for, didn't you?

Oddly enough, a group in Oakland filed recall papers against Quan. I'm guessing she needs to dust off her resume.

This woman is a pathological liar and needs a new dress made of tar and feathers.