Rally Monkey
Rally Squirrel
is the Rally Wall next?

I'm so embarrassed.

FreakinB: Lost in that is that they are *also* changing the dimensions. At least as far as I know.

Anyway, the Mets aren't going to be better than mediorce for at least a couple of years, and I'm ok with that.

It's mentioned in TFA that they've already started construction.

Who has ever said that they're losing BECAUSE of the deep walls? No one. Or, idiots.

Now, if you want to say that playing in a vast park with giant fences makes for a bland, depressing game devoid of home runs or over-the-wall catches, sure. That's a problem.

Outfield dementia can have a demoralizing effect on a team.

Don't quote me regulations. I co-chaired the committee that reviewed the recommendation to revise the color of the book that regulations are in. We kept it gray.

chimp_ninja: Dafatone: Who has ever said that they're losing BECAUSE of the deep walls? No one. Or, idiots.

Now, if you want to say that playing in a vast park with giant fences makes for a bland, depressing game devoid of home runs or over-the-wall catches, sure. That's a problem.

I wonder if Subby knows that the deep outfield fences remain deep when the visitors bat.

A weird park should be to your advantage. It's why the Yankees chase power-hitting lefties. It's why Boston could play defensively-retarded LFs like Manny for years. You create a niche, then you make sure that your club competes well in that niche.

Got deep fences? Make sure you have three reasonably speedy outfielders. Pick up pitchers who get most of their outs on fly balls, and let all the small-park teams bid up sinker/splitter guys. Grab linedrive hitters with gap power. Have bench help that helps you win close ball games (pinch runners, defensive replacements) instead of generic platoon options.

This is why I don't want the Mets to fix the outfield too much. Lower the fences but don't bring them in. Looks like they're lowering them and bringing them in some. We'll see how this goes.

Tap the brakes there, Subby.

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RANGERS!

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Dafatone: Who has ever said that they're losing BECAUSE of the deep walls? No one. Or, idiots.

Now, if you want to say that playing in a vast park with giant fences makes for a bland, depressing game devoid of home runs or over-the-wall catches, sure. That's a problem.

Actually, they might be losing because of them. For example, the Mo's corner mentioned in the article is David Wright's opposite field power alley. When you play 81 games in a park that's all but going to turn a home run into a deep fly out and you're the number 3, 4, or shiatter, the team is going to suffer.

chimp_ninja: Dafatone: Who has ever said that they're losing BECAUSE of the deep walls? No one. Or, idiots.

Now, if you want to say that playing in a vast park with giant fences makes for a bland, depressing game devoid of home runs or over-the-wall catches, sure. That's a problem.

I wonder if Subby knows that the deep outfield fences remain deep when the visitors bat.

A weird park should be to your advantage. It's why the Yankees chase power-hitting lefties. It's why Boston could play defensively-retarded LFs like Manny for years. You create a niche, then you make sure that your club competes well in that niche.

Got deep fences? Make sure you have three reasonably speedy outfielders. Pick up pitchers who get most of their outs on fly balls, and let all the small-park teams bid up sinker/splitter guys. Grab linedrive hitters with gap power. Have bench help that helps you win close ball games (pinch runners, defensive replacements) instead of generic platoon options.

The player who's been most helped by Citifield is probably Reyes, who hits a lot of line drives and gap shots. The Mets power is supplied mostly by Jason Bay, and David Wright, both right handed hitters, both trying to clear a sixteen foot high fence 385-410 feet away. When Ike Davis was in the lineup, this was less of a problem, since he supplied power from the left side of the plate, so they could stick him in between those two and protect him.

And Bay was part of the problem. Little speed, and that was OK when they had Beltran in center and Pagan in right, it became a glaring problem when Beltran was traded and Duda was made the right fielder.

Talk about lumbering giants...

Team has bad pitching? LOWER THE FENCES!

actor212: Actually, they might be losing because of them. For example, the Mo's corner mentioned in the article is David Wright's opposite field power alley. When you play 81 games in a park that's all but going to turn a home run into a deep fly out and you're the number 3, 4, or shiatter, the team is going to suffer.

You're supposed to build your team around the quirks of your stadium and make it your advantage. But when do the Mets ever do what a baseball team is supposed to do?

actor212: Dafatone: Who has ever said that they're losing BECAUSE of the deep walls? No one. Or, idiots.

Now, if you want to say that playing in a vast park with giant fences makes for a bland, depressing game devoid of home runs or over-the-wall catches, sure. That's a problem.

Actually, they might be losing because of them. For example, the Mo's corner mentioned in the article is David Wright's opposite field power alley. When you play 81 games in a park that's all but going to turn a home run into a deep fly out and you're the number 3, 4, or shiatter, the team is going to suffer.

To my eyes, Wright's power alley is a little closer to right-center, right where the Mo zone ends. But yeah, he'shiat a few right into that cutout as well.

The Mets had the 2nd best OBP in the National League(.335, the league average is .319), the league average for slugging(.391) and scored the 6th most runs in the NL(718: League average is 668). The hitting is not and has not been their problem.

Their team did have the 4th worst ERA, the 4th most runs allowed, the second worst ERA+, the fourth worst WHIP...yeah, their pitching sucked.

Count the whole league and they were 12th most in runs scored, 6th best in OBP, 9th best in OPS+(Adjusting it for the ballpark!) and even 9th in stolen bases.

Their ERA, on the other hand, barely beats out such great pitchers as the Red Sox(4.19 vs. 4.20) and the Cleveland Indians(4.19 vs. 4.23). Their ERA+ is 4th worst in the league: Only the Orioles, Astros and Twins had worse. WHIP was 7th worst in the league. And so on.

Hitting is not their problem. Pitching is.

SO WHY MAKE IT HARDER TO PITCH?

damageddude: 4NTLRZ: LET'S!
GO!
RANGERS!


Finally getting their first home game in the renovated MSG tonight.

Wrong Rangers, man. Let me clarify for you.











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So how much are the mets going to over pay for the pitchers that the phillies refused options on? Which one was it, Oswalt?

steamingpile: So how much are the mets going to over pay for the pitchers that the phillies refused options on? Which one was it, Oswalt?

They're not going to overpay for Oswalt. Sandy Alderson's much too smart for that.

They're going to overpay for Lidge.

Dafatone: steamingpile: So how much are the mets going to over pay for the pitchers that the phillies refused options on? Which one was it, Oswalt?

They're not going to overpay for Oswalt. Sandy Alderson's much too smart for that.

They're going to overpay for Lidge.

I dont know, it seems whoever goes to the mets suffers a brain hemorrhage and then signs every athlete that ends up suffering a franchise killing injury.

I know what outfield dimensions are. And maybe if you remove the outfield from a conversation, you de-mention it.

But demensions? Get a brain, moran.