Mugato: Is he still popular across the pond? Because he's just considered an asshole here.

Indeed. F that guy. F him hard. After his "has been" comment about Michael Hutchence, I have wished the worst for him. I wonder how he feels about that comment now that his day has passed.

A decade ago.

And was very short to begin with.

F that guy.

Maybe the fact that "anyone" can do it, is why it's so popular.

In that video at the bottom of the page, Noel looks like Pierce Brosnan if he got into a Mark Hamil style accident.

hahahahaha I don't make dance music but I am a f*cker using a Korg electribe to make music. And yes of course it is easier, but it is still hard to make something that is actually good that you want to listen to.

Beardyman. YouTube. Do it now.

impaler: Mugato: Is he still popular across the pond? Because he's just considered an asshole here.

I can't tell which side of the pond you're on.

Doesn't really matter, he's considered an asshole pretty much everywhere.

I guess you have to be a natural musical genius to rip off The Beatles.

xiaodown: STORY TIME:


ME: http://www.nme.com/news/noel-gallagher/60039
ME: guy's kind of a douche.
FRIEND: its ok, i was part of a group who stole the caps off the airplugs on their bus once.
ME: what, seriously?
FRIEND: one day {REDACTED GF} and I were on {STREET REDACTED}
FRIEND: in my car
FRIEND: and in front of the howard johnsons
FRIEND: was a huge tour bus
FRIEND: that said "OAISIS" on it
FRIEND: and we were like "you've got to be kidding, these {CENCORED} have their band name on their bus?!"
FRIEND: so we went ovet to it
FRIEND: and we saw him and his brother literally getting back on the bus from being in the lobby
ME: hahaha
FRIEND: ok
ME: that's awesome.
FRIEND: so the bus starts going
FRIEND: so we follow it
FRIEND: all the way downtown
FRIEND: like, they took {STREET REDACTED} or whatever its spelled
FRIEND: and went and parked like, not int he {RESTAURANT REDACTED} parking lot, but on the other side of the street, closer to the river.
FRIEND: and as the bus was backing in (i swear im not making this up)
FRIEND: the bass player leaned out a window with a sign that said "stop following us"
ME: i'm waiting with bated breath.
ME: hahahahahaha
FRIEND: and the whole band was like looking at is
FRIEND: no shiat
FRIEND: So we both in total {FRIEND} and {REDACTED GF} fashion gave them all the finger in perfect synchronization.
FRIEND: to which we got looks of total shock, followed by laughter.
FRIEND: so {REDACTED GF} is being {REDACTED GF} and shes like "we gotta get these farkers"
FRIEND: so we go around the block and park
FRIEND: they all get out of the bus and go to farking {OVERPRICED MUSICAL EQUIPMENT STORE}
FRIEND: I guess they needed more pretentious overpriced bullshiat, who knows.
FRIEND: and shes over at the bus trying desperatly to break it.
FRIEND: at this point, im like around the corner not wanting to go to jail
ME: she had balls man
FRIEND: but she was always much more reckless than me.
FRIEND: She comes back with the farking caps off the tires.
FRIEND: im like "that's it?"
ME: the little air stem caps?
FRIEND: shes like "the door was locked"
FRIEND: Yea, the little air stems.
ME: hah
ME: should have put them back on with a tiny little rock so the air leaked out.
FRIEND: I was 100% sure she was going to return with a guitar and then smash it in the street or something.
FRIEND: so, as uneventful as it ended up being
FRIEND: it was pretty odd.
FRIEND: on retrospect
FRIEND: I think it's even funnier how we had literally no intention of like talking to the band or being star struck or anything, even as 16 year olds.
FRIEND: yea, this was all in the summer of 1996, according to their wiki
FRIEND: which makes sense as I had just gotten my license.


/hot

For those that don't know the difference between the brothers....

Liam is the self centered arsehole frontman.

Noel is the quite humorous, irreverent, often insightful guitar player brother who was the main songwriter. Chuck Klosterman wrote a great piece on him recently. He also just put out a solo record that's better than anything he's done since the first two Oasis records.

lostinspace1978: I guess you have to be a natural musical genius to rip off The Beatles.

Why not, every other band has been doing it for the last 40 years.

'I'll Be Disappointed If People Don't Like My Album'

Yeah... you know, I might be going out on a limb here, but I'd wager that every farking artist that makes an album ultimately wants folks to enjoy it.

So please, regale us with another Madden-esque revelation about music.. perhaps another completely baseless lament about how guitar music is dead.

So, the photo of him making this argument while sitting in front of a computer with Ableton Live running is meant for irony value, right?

He's implying there was a time where dance music required talent.

InmanRoshi: For those that don't know the difference between the brothers....

Liam is the self centered arsehole frontman.

Noel is the quite humorous, irreverent, often insightful guitar player brother who was the main songwriter. Chuck Klosterman wrote a great piece on him recently. He also just put out a solo record that's better than anything he's done since the first two Oasis records.

Humorous, irreverent, insightful?

"Has-beens should not present farking awards to gonna-be's."

Humorous, irreverent, insightful. Not so much. I would say egotistical, idiotic, and rude. Self centered arsehole, like his brother, seems to fit the bill, too.

Again, fark that guy.
/INXS fan, can ya tell?

bigmattress: "Has-beens should not present farking awards to gonna-be's."

Humorous, irreverent, insightful. Not so much. I would say egotistical, idiotic, and rude. Self centered arsehole, like his brother, seems to fit the bill, too.

Again, fark that guy.
/INXS fan, can ya tell?

Eh, I thought Hutchinson got them back pretty good with "Elegantly Wasted".

"Sad to say, it seems everyone can make a pretty good record in their bedroom today. You go buy the kit and you can make a pretty good record. 'Pretty good' is the new 'terrible.' In a tsunami of 'pretty good' stuff, you can't find the really good stuff. So I've kind of given up looking."

-- Some pivotal figure in UK pub rock and punk rock

bigmattress: Mugato: Is he still popular across the pond? Because he's just considered an asshole here.

Indeed. F that guy. F him hard. After his "has been" comment about Michael Hutchence, I have wished the worst for him. I wonder how he feels about that comment now that his day has passed.

A decade ago.

And was very short to begin with.

F that guy.

Dude, Oasis' last album, released just 3 years ago, went triple platinum, and up until their breakup this year, they sold out every venue they plugged in at around the world.

Just because U.S. radio lost interest after "Be Here Now," that doesn't mean their efforts afterwards weren't enormous successes.

Noel is an asshole, but I wouldn't say he's a has-been just yet.

bloobeary: the reason dance music became so popular was because guitar music had "come to a dead end" and was "farking going nowhere".

No, the reason is because It takes more effort, talent and skill to make music with a guitar, than it does to loop a bassline over a drum machine for twenty minutes. And the recording industry is all about the cheap, and the disposable.

There could be a big scene/young musicians are just as capable of making epic major label music like the classic rock from the 70's...and there are actually bands out there today making progressive music .

The (large scale) issue seems to be the lack of audience attention span and the inability to market such "involved" music to the masses versus the quick fix of mindless dance music.

Oasis: The F.A.B. Four.

Fake Ass Beatles.

Mugato: bloobeary: No, the reason is because It takes more effort, talent and skill to make music with a guitar, than it does to loop a bassline over a drum machine for twenty minutes

Thank you.

/guitar player
//not a good one
///but it's a farking instrument

The computer is simply an instrument, it just happens to be much easier to learn and has a much wider range of sounds than you could ever hope to produce with any "traditional" instruments.

I'm pretty sure they said something similar about electric guitars and electronic keyboards when they first turned up.

InmanRoshi: bigmattress: "Has-beens should not present farking awards to gonna-be's."

Humorous, irreverent, insightful. Not so much. I would say egotistical, idiotic, and rude. Self centered arsehole, like his brother, seems to fit the bill, too.

Again, fark that guy.
/INXS fan, can ya tell?

Eh, I thought Hutchinson got them back pretty good with "Elegantly Wasted".

Who is Hutchinson? ;)

kab: another completely baseless lament about how guitar music is dead.

stoli n coke: bigmattress: Mugato: Is he still popular across the pond? Because he's just considered an asshole here.

Indeed. F that guy. F him hard. After his "has been" comment about Michael Hutchence, I have wished the worst for him. I wonder how he feels about that comment now that his day has passed.

A decade ago.

And was very short to begin with.

F that guy.

Dude, Oasis' last album, released just 3 years ago, went triple platinum, and up until their breakup this year, they sold out every venue they plugged in at around the world.

Just because U.S. radio lost interest after "Be Here Now," that doesn't mean their efforts afterwards weren't enormous successes.

Noel is an asshole, but I wouldn't say he's a has-been just yet.

Fine. He'll get there, and when he does, I would love it if someone like Justin Bieber humiliated and offended him on national television.

/not comparing NG to JB, so save it

Mugato
Pinko_Commie: The computer is simply an instrument, it just happens to be much easier to learn and has a much wider range of sounds than you could ever hope to produce with any "traditional" instruments.

I'm pretty sure they said something similar about electric guitars and electronic keyboards when they first turned up.

Well not really, since those were still instruments and you had to learn things like music theory to play them. Whether they were electric or acoustic was immaterial. We'll just agree to disagree on the whole musicality thing.


Okay, go buy a music production station and produce a hit. Shoot, just make one song that sounds really good. Shoot, just make one song that sounds pretty good. Yeah, you can hit buttons and make beats and loop them, and hit the keys to add harmony and melody, but you still have to have a good hear and understand music.

It ain't as easy as it seems...

but yeah, I get it, my first album is titled "Thank you, Technology" because I am fully aware that I would not have been able to create my songs with out the technology. It is fun. Actually finishing up a couple songs tomorrow night.

But we can disagree, I don't really care. I fully agree the guitar is harder, but is difficulty the point of music? Not to me.

"Guitar/rock music is dead."
"Why's that?"
"Because I'm old and like to spend most of my time drinking vodka tonics by my pool and I really have no desire to make guitar/rock music any longer."

Repeat ad nauseum for the next 1000 years.

Noel is right. Anybody can make electronic music. I play several instruments and the easiest way to make music is to open up garageband on my Macbook and layer beats and loops into something semi-interesting.

Shimmercore: Noel is right. Anybody can make electronic music. I play several instruments and the easiest way to make music is to open up garageband on my Macbook and layer beats and loops into something semi-interesting.

Semi-interesting to you, but to those of us who actually listen to dance music, we can tell the difference between amateurs and those who actually have talent.

Yes, it can be easy to make dance music and plenty of popular producers are just going through the motions. Deadmau5, for example, is some of the most mediocre music out there. Daft Punk nick all their riffs and run it through a filter. They put up a light show and people think they're amazing. Don't even get me started on Skrillex, that kid is an embarrassment.

bigmattress: Indeed. F that guy. F him hard. After his "has been" comment about Michael Hutchence, I have wished the worst for him.

Good to know you are against a working class hero, but in support of a pedophile. Do you also like to stray dogs? What about punching babies?

busy chillin': Okay, go buy a music production station and produce a hit. Shoot, just make one song that sounds really good. Shoot, just make one song that sounds pretty good. Yeah, you can hit buttons and make beats and loop them, and hit the keys to add harmony and melody, but you still have to have a good hear and understand music.

It ain't as easy as it seems...

but yeah, I get it, my first album is titled "Thank you, Technology" because I am fully aware that I would not have been able to create my songs with out the technology. It is fun. Actually finishing up a couple songs tomorrow night.

But we can disagree, I don't really care. I fully agree the guitar is harder, but is difficulty the point of music? Not to me.

Your points are valid, but I think you're missing the underlying theme, which is that if a billion people can suddenly make music, you suddenly have a billion songs... only a very few of which have much artistic merit, and it's very difficult for the listener to find the "good art" in with all the other dross. If making music is difficult, then (theoretically, at least) only those with a sincere drive, or powerful musical ideas, will continue through to the end. But if doing it becomes very easy, then there isn't much determination or soul within most of the music that ends up coming out of that process.

Thing is, one could make the argument that as the cost of production goes down, so too does the average quality of what is produced.

However, he comes off as: "Waah! It's not artificially scarce anymore! Waah! It's not exclusive anymore! Waah!"

This argument is so farking stale. When you distill it down to the essence of what is being said, its sounds more like:

"I took the time to learn to play guitar and started a band and made the BEST MUSIC EVAR!! and we would have been HUGE if it weren't for all those kids and their dang computers in their mom's basements clogging up the record label's tubez"

While I agree that the disposable POP music that big music is so eager to continue to spray out of their proverbial butt holes is unimaginative and generic, it is also very calculated and meticulously produced by [otherwise] talented people. THIS is not something the kids are doing. If you want to see what all those 'kids' are clogging, go check out myspace's bandwidth status. Anything created by stellar programming and/or production skills will always stand out.
This goes both for rock music and electronic music.

haterade69: bigmattress: Indeed. F that guy. F him hard. After his "has been" comment about Michael Hutchence, I have wished the worst for him.

Good to know you are against a working class hero, but in support of a pedophile. Do you also like to stray dogs? What about punching babies?

LOL

WUT

nebulou5: Anything created by stellar programming and/or production skills will always stand out.

That statement is so filled with wrong, I don't even know where to start.