Anyone with the power to issue such orders should first be required to submit himself to such testing on a regular basis.

We're paying you. If you're gonna pay us, then drug test away.

welcome to Obamanation.

Wow and they were going to make the students pay for the test?

I like this idea, it would let me who I can buy drugs from.

Naturally, I assume they'd also be drug testing the teachers, staff, the the board of regents, of course.

NeoBad: welcome to Obamanation.

so Obama runs Linn State Technical College too? man that guy is good.

It's a bit of a double standard drug testing the students. One of the nice things about working for a public university is knowing they'll never drug test employees. They'd lose too many professors.

Why does this school not want students/their tuition?

What were the perceived benefits here? If someone failed a test they get to to throw them out and keep the tuition?

What I do on my own time is no one's damn business. That goes for school, government and especially employers.

I believe I could ace a drug test. Is it a written test, or do you identify samples by taste and consistency?
The answer to #1 is A) Peruvian Flake

You know, invasion of privacy or not?

Actually, if it was a private university, the student had a *choice* of attending it, and by choosing to do so, he's agreed to the rules that the campus provides. -That student handbook means *something*. The university has to be concerned about its reputation, and if a student was running a drug ring out of his dorm room, or died of an overdose, parents wouldn't want their kids going to that school.

This is the same reason that when a student dies of alcohol poisoning, the school clamps down on alcohol consumption around the campus. I say let them drug test. Any large company will drug test you. The school is probably going to get crap when they have a bunch of pot heads graduating saying "I'm part of the 99%" that can't get jobs other than Starbucks because they can't pass a drug test to join a real company.

Besides, if you can't put down your joint for a few weeks to get into college, or manage to pass a drug test in general, you're probably too stupid to go to college anyway.

/the second drugs are legalized in this country, I could give a rat's ass, but in the meantime there's no reason they *shouldn't* be doing a drug test. -It's essentially a form of a background test.

Andromeda: Whenever I hear about something like this, I always wonder what the hell was going through the mind of the person who first thought this would be a good idea and then all the other people who agreed with him. I mean really, who are these people?

Problem?

Head of Linn State Technical College's Board had this comment:



Just because the freshman outdeal the faculty is now reason to punish them.

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Anyone with the power to issue such orders should first be required to submit himself to such testing on a regular basis.

Employers do this. Attending Missouri is optional. Just like the school has a code of ethics, I see no problem with this.

wombatoftruth: It's a bit of a double standard drug testing the students. One of the nice things about working for a public university is knowing they'll never drug test employees. They'd lose too many professors.

I think if you get the right assortment of brownshirted tax-cuttin' Crusaders in office, they will. Here in Kansas, we have Sam Brownback. If he could find a way to do it under the guise of saving money, he would. There are some real huckleberries in office right now.

Hypothetical Imperative: What were the perceived benefits here? If someone failed a test they get to to throw them out and keep the tuition?

This happens with honor code violations. Streaker from Arizona last week may be kicked out, running on a field worse than drugs?

"Brown earlier acknowledged that the scope and breadth of the program is unique, but "there aren't many colleges as unique as ours.""

disagrees that you are special...

BurnShrike: What I do on my own time is no one's damn business. That goes for school, government and especially employers.

So incredibly much this!

hosalabad: Wow and they were going to make the students pay for the test?

They'd be paying for it one way or another, tuition or a fee.

Gabrielmot: You know, invasion of privacy or not?

Actually, if it was a private university, the student had a *choice* of attending it, and by choosing to do so, he's agreed to the rules that the campus provides. -That student handbook means *something*. The university has to be concerned about its reputation, and if a student was running a drug ring out of his dorm room, or died of an overdose, parents wouldn't want their kids going to that school.

This is the same reason that when a student dies of alcohol poisoning, the school clamps down on alcohol consumption around the campus. I say let them drug test. Any large company will drug test you. The school is probably going to get crap when they have a bunch of pot heads graduating saying "I'm part of the 99%" that can't get jobs other than Starbucks because they can't pass a drug test to join a real company.

Besides, if you can't put down your joint for a few weeks to get into college, or manage to pass a drug test in general, you're probably too stupid to go to college anyway.

/the second drugs are legalized in this country, I could give a rat's ass, but in the meantime there's no reason they *shouldn't* be doing a drug test. -It's essentially a form of a background test.

Any decent job doesn't drug test. They just want the talent. There are a few exceptions, but not usually any good paying job. If you can't do your job b/c you can't handle your recreational activities, you'll be fired.

If it's private, it's perfectly acceptable. If it's public, I wouldn't be against it as part of the background check the university does for admission or prior to receiving public funds as financial aid.

you are free to do what we tell you!

we should just test everyone ,every day and if they fail. kill them.

Brown earlier acknowledged that the scope and breadth of the program is unique, but "there aren't many colleges as unique as ours."

You are either unique or you are not unique. The quality of being unique does not have degrees. One thing can not be more unique than another thing that is also unique.

This being a tech school, I should not have expected better.

northguineahills: Any decent job doesn't drug test. They just want the talent. There are a few exceptions, but not usually any good paying job. If you can't do your job b/c you can't handle your recreational activities, you'll be fired.

Err, pretty much every publicly owned company drug tests new hires. Many public agencies also require them.

The thing is, it is quite a simple feat to fake a drug test. Ironically, easily the hardest drug to get away with on drug screens is pot (arguably cocaine could be as tough, though). But pain meds, heroin, and so on are either on short half-lives in your body or water-soluble or both. Plus, unlike the military or other security clearance screens, most cannot watch you take your wee-wee out so it's easy to smuggle in clean piss anyway.

The authoritarian assholes are already getting their undies in a bunch. Imagine what kind of anal retentive church lady is sitting around and stewing over the idea that somebody somewhere is smoking a joint. They've probably never had a relaxed moment in their life.

Ulcers are Gods way of ridding us of busy bodies.

NeoBad: welcome to Obamanation.

I'd bet $100 that the dickheads demanding the drug testing are fascist Republitards.

Ow! That was my feelings!: "Brown earlier acknowledged that the scope and breadth of the program is unique, but "there aren't many colleges as unique as ours.""

disagrees that you are special...

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If it's the Linn County I'm thinking of, the only thing special about it is the absolute lack of things to do.

darthgarlic: May I ask why in the world would the College NEED to know if you were taking drugs anyway?

You know how I know you didn't read the article?

NeoBad: welcome to Obamanation.

Really? Because this has conservative Republican stink all over it.

Oh...wait...Obama is a conservative Republican.

Carry on.

sure, enact it, but only if you give scholarships to those on nootropil/piracetam + hydergine/Ergoloid mesylates stacks.

Bob16: The authoritarian assholes are already getting their undies in a bunch. Imagine what kind of anal retentive church lady is sitting around and stewing over the idea that somebody somewhere is smoking a joint. They've probably never had a relaxed moment in their life.

Ulcers are Gods way of ridding us of busy bodies.

no she's probably zoned out on Valium,Xanax or any number of what the old ladies call "nerve pills" . as long as you're contributing to Big Pharma and the expensive healthcare system it's okay to be in a blissful stupor.

Why in the hell would I enroll in a college that drug tests? That's when you're supposed to be doing drugs.

Oh, helicopter parents are sending their precious babies out in the world, that's it, right?

Hermione_Granger: NeoBad: welcome to Obamanation.

Really? Because this has conservative Republican stink all over it.

Oh...wait...Obama is a conservative Republican.

Carry on.

Sad, but true. I comfort myself by thinking how bad things would have been by now if McCain and Palin had won.

Can you imagine?

wombatoftruth: One of the nice things about working for a public university is knowing they'll never drug test employees. They'd lose too many professors.

I went to a private university, and most of my professors were druggies. Hell, one of them would even smoke pot in his office. He did lean out the window, though, because they asked him not to stink up the place.

Hermione_Granger: NeoBad: welcome to Obamanation.

Really? Because this has conservative Republican stink all over it.

No, this has the stink of a school who does work with heavy machinery establishing liability.

Honestly, the only schools I see drug testing their students are the ones required by law to do so (maritime academies), and schools like this one who want to keep from getting sued.

wildcardjack: Why in the hell would I enroll in a college that drug tests? That's when you're supposed to be doing drugs.

I must've missed that in the college handbook. Do you have a citation?

SH: NeoBad: welcome to Obamanation.

I'd bet $100 that the dickheads demanding the drug testing are fascist Republitards.

Foolish bet. In my experience people who care about such labels are equally interested in controlling behavior. For example, in PA, it is the Democrats pushing school drug tests as a sort of backdoor to getting greater control over the healthcare system.

jpbreon: The thing is, it is quite a simple feat to fake a drug test. Ironically, easily the hardest drug to get away with on drug screens is pot (arguably cocaine could be as tough, though). But pain meds, heroin, and so on are either on short half-lives in your body or water-soluble or both. Plus, unlike the military or other security clearance screens, most cannot watch you take your wee-wee out so it's easy to smuggle in clean piss anyway.

I beat the drug tests for pot easily by abstaining for a few days and dilution. The guy that showed me how to beat them was on probation and he smoked the night before the tests and beat them with dilution many times.

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BurnShrike: What I do on my own time is no one's damn business. That goes for school, government and especially employers.

So incredibly much this!

Agreed. As a fellow subject forced into labor, we have to find a way to avoid being hired by people who subject us to pee tests.

atomic-age: wombatoftruth: It's a bit of a double standard drug testing the students. One of the nice things about working for a public university is knowing they'll never drug test employees. They'd lose too many professors.

I think if you get the right assortment of brownshirted tax-cuttin' Crusaders in office, they will. Here in Kansas, we have Sam Brownback. If he could find a way to do it under the guise of saving money, he would. There are some real huckleberries in office right now.

True. Sadly, worrying about things like that only increases the amount of drug use.

northguineahills: Any decent job doesn't drug test. They just want the talent. There are a few exceptions, but not usually any good paying job. If you can't do your job b/c you can't handle your recreational activities, you'll be fired.

You seriously believe this?