Had to be done...

I like how some of them have features I wanted back when I had an iPhone, like replaceable batteries and media slots.

And what's the purpose of the dual SIM slots? I've seen that on some phones I've looked at from overseas. Do people put SIMs from two different carriers in them and then switch one on and one off to select different plans or providers or something?

The E-Phone? Mojo Nixon's going to be pissed...

/ Obscure?
// 619-239-KING

mongbiohazard: And what's the purpose of the dual SIM slots?

My Friend who travels extensively for his job has a phone with dual slots, in one slot he has his US carrier in the other slot he has an international Prepaid Sim card so if he has to call a local number he can do it for 10 cents a minute rather than $1.99

mongbiohazard: I like how some of them have features I wanted back when I had an iPhone, like replaceable batteries and media slots.

And what's the purpose of the dual SIM slots? I've seen that on some phones I've looked at from overseas. Do people put SIMs from two different carriers in them and then switch one on and one off to select different plans or providers or something?

Pretty much. One of our partner companies will often have employees commute between Taiwan and mainland China. They use different carriers between the two countries, so they either have a dual slot SIM phoen or carry around extra SIMs with them to swap out.

Two SIM cards might be used for something they call multihoming; you want to send high quality video, you divide the outgoing signal across multiple wireless cards, it gets reassembled at the other end. But normally multihoming HD needs 4, 6 or 8 cards. And you need a separate account for each card. So this may not be what this particular phone is doing.

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Had to be done...

Would have more weight if you had used a Samsung Galaxy S II....

Any Pie Left: Two SIM cards might be used for something they call multihoming; you want to send high quality video, you divide the outgoing signal across multiple wireless cards, it gets reassembled at the other end. But normally multihoming HD needs 4, 6 or 8 cards. And you need a separate account for each card. So this may not be what this particular phone is doing.

It's actually used for having multiple phone lines in one phone. That's pretty much the only use.

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Had to be done...

Would have more weight if you had used a Samsung Galaxy S II....

Having used both, I don't see what the comparison is to the iPhone. I mean if you want to nitpick, then Apple ripped from my HTC Wizard. It was a touch screen phone with icon interface and other features that the iPhone has, before iPhone was even a farking word.

nitefallz: tgambitg: LograyX: [t2.gstatic.com image 181x279]

Had to be done...

Would have more weight if you had used a Samsung Galaxy S II....

Having used both, I don't see what the comparison is to the iPhone. I mean if you want to nitpick, then Apple ripped from my HTC Wizard. It was a touch screen phone with icon interface and other features that the iPhone has, before iPhone was even a farking word.

It "looks" very similar. You know, once you get past the app drawer being open in the pictures Apple uses, and the big size difference, aspect ratio difference, big ass Samsung logo on the front, etc.....But it is a black rectangle with rounded edges and metal accents! It's the same thing!

Pfft. I know a genuine Panaphonics when I see one.

nitefallz: I mean if you want to nitpick, then Apple ripped from my HTC Wizard. It was a touch screen phone with icon interface and other features that the iPhone has, before iPhone was even a farking word.

If you want to nitpick, Apple developed and marketed an interface based on icons 13 years before HTC even existed.

But saying the HTC has other features the iPhone has is like saying a Yugo has other features found on a Mercedes.

/ that's just crass
// Crass, crass, crass

Tom_Slick: mongbiohazard: And what's the purpose of the dual SIM slots?

My Friend who travels extensively for his job has a phone with dual slots, in one slot he has his US carrier in the other slot he has an international Prepaid Sim card so if he has to call a local number he can do it for 10 cents a minute rather than $1.99

MightyPez: mongbiohazard: I like how some of them have features I wanted back when I had an iPhone, like replaceable batteries and media slots.

And what's the purpose of the dual SIM slots? I've seen that on some phones I've looked at from overseas. Do people put SIMs from two different carriers in them and then switch one on and one off to select different plans or providers or something?

Pretty much. One of our partner companies will often have employees commute between Taiwan and mainland China. They use different carriers between the two countries, so they either have a dual slot SIM phoen or carry around extra SIMs with them to swap out.


Ah! Got it. Thanks!

weirdest "knock off" of an iphone I've seen was at a corner store in Antioch, went in to get smokes, noted is was the kind of "convenience store" that had a large assortment of glass pipes...(and oddly a couple of basketball shoes?) and in the case with the bongs and crack pipes was a knock off iPhone box with pictures of the phone... turns out it was a camouflaged micro scale made to look like an iphone 3g...compelete with a back lit sticker to simulate the touch screen widgets. for $20... I was tempted...not that I would ever have a use for it....not being a dealer.

1macgeek: If you want to nitpick, Apple developed and marketed an interface based on icons 13 years before HTC even existed.

If you want to nitpick, Xerox developed and marketed an interface based on icons two years before Apple did.

/Xerox Star

nitefallz: tgambitg: LograyX: [t2.gstatic.com image 181x279]

Had to be done...

Would have more weight if you had used a Samsung Galaxy S II....

Having used both, I don't see what the comparison is to the iPhone. I mean if you want to nitpick, then Apple ripped from my HTC Wizard. It was a touch screen phone with icon interface and other features that the iPhone has, before iPhone was even a farking word.

Pfft, iPhone was already a word before Apple ripped it. It was a LinkSys product (new window).

I can sort of see where they're coming from with the Samsung TouchWiz interface. At a quick glance, if you didn't have any widgets on the home screen, you could be forgiven for thinking that it looks a bit like the iOS interface.



This is coming from an self confessed Android fan (Bought a Nexus One on launch day) who packs a Galaxy SII. Having said that, you would actually have to try hard to make it look like that. You would have to deliberately remove all widgets, and fill up the home screen with app icons.

Android vanilla however, doesn't have the similarity.

Pinko_Commie: nitefallz: tgambitg: LograyX: [t2.gstatic.com image 181x279]

Had to be done...

Would have more weight if you had used a Samsung Galaxy S II....

Having used both, I don't see what the comparison is to the iPhone. I mean if you want to nitpick, then Apple ripped from my HTC Wizard. It was a touch screen phone with icon interface and other features that the iPhone has, before iPhone was even a farking word.

Pfft, iPhone was already a word before Apple ripped it. It was a LinkSys product (new window).

I can sort of see where they're coming from with the Samsung TouchWiz interface. At a quick glance, if you didn't have any widgets on the home screen, you could be forgiven for thinking that it looks a bit like the iOS interface.

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This is coming from an self confessed Android fan (Bought a Nexus One on launch day) who packs a Galaxy SII. Having said that, you would actually have to try hard to make it look like that. You would have to deliberately remove all widgets, and fill up the home screen with app icons.

Android vanilla however, doesn't have the similarity.

Not the homescreen, that's the app drawer.

1macgeek: nitefallz: I mean if you want to nitpick, then Apple ripped from my HTC Wizard. It was a touch screen phone with icon interface and other features that the iPhone has, before iPhone was even a farking word.

If you want to nitpick, Apple developed and marketed an interface based on icons 13 years before HTC even existed.

But saying the HTC has other features the iPhone has is like saying a Yugo has other features found on a Mercedes.

/ that's just crass
// Crass, crass, crass

A better analogy would be BMW (Apple) claiming they invented the automobile (smartphone) with the introduction of the 3/15 (iPhone) in 1927 (2007) and that everyone since then has just been copying what they did since every other car (Android/WP/Palm/BB) has four wheels and a steering wheel (icon based UI).

/Gottlieb Daimler invented the first 4-wheeled gas-powered car in 1885
//it had a steering wheel

Stratohead: turns out it was a camouflaged micro scale made to look like an iphone 3g...compelete with a back lit sticker to simulate the touch screen widgets. for $20... I was tempted...not that I would ever have a use for it....not being a dealer.

When I was in the Pawn Business, I went to get a scale to weigh gold, it looked like a CD

tgambitg:

Not the homescreen, that's the app drawer.

True, but you have to admit that Samsung specifically modified the Galaxy S app drawer to have the same look and feel as the iPhone home screens. The stock Android app drawer scrolls up and down not side to side like on an iPhone. The "dock" area at the bottom of the screen is also something you don't see on stock Android that was lifted directly from the iPhone UI (Moto also ripped this off in then latest version of Blur).

That said, Apple has returned the favor by ripping off the Android notification area in iOS 5. Weirdly enough it seems like Microsoft is the only company that is showing any creativity at all with the Metro interface on Windows Phone, which has a VERY different look and feel from everyone else.

Mad_Radhu:
That said, Apple has returned the favor by ripping off the Android notification area in iOS 5. Weirdly enough it seems like Microsoft is the only company that is showing any creativity at all with the Metro interface on Windows Phone, which has a VERY different look and feel from everyone else.

Whilst I agree. Jesus farking christ, Microsoft actually being creative whilst everyone else rips off Apple/A N Other. Something has gone very very wrong with this world... possibly to the extent that I now think you've all got goatee's.

/Which world is this? I might want to get off it.

Mad_Radhu: Weirdly enough it seems like Microsoft is the only company that is showing any creativity at all with the Metro interface on Windows Phone, which has a VERY different look and feel from everyone else.

coming to you soon in Windows 8 as well

/been checking out the server dev preview.

sarah_t_s: Mad_Radhu:
That said, Apple has returned the favor by ripping off the Android notification area in iOS 5. Weirdly enough it seems like Microsoft is the only company that is showing any creativity at all with the Metro interface on Windows Phone, which has a VERY different look and feel from everyone else.

Whilst I agree. Jesus farking christ, Microsoft actually being creative whilst everyone else rips off Apple/A N Other. Something has gone very very wrong with this world... possibly to the extent that I now think you've all got goatee's.

/Which world is this? I might want to get off it.

I feel like we're still in that parallel universe, but now it's become a WACKY universe... (new window)

sarah_t_s: Jesus farking christ, Microsoft actually being creative whilst everyone else rips off Apple/A N Other. Something has gone very very wrong with this world...

Creativity for creativity's sake is about the worst approach to UI design I can think of.

Very little about interaction is truly intuitive; almost everything we do is informed by similar experiences we've had in the past. So it makes sense that a huge part of modern mobile UI design is based on other successful mobile UI designs.

Windows Metro may well be powerful and easy to learn; I haven't had any experience with it yet. But if it's anything like the 'creative' ribbon controls Microsoft came up with to replace the familiar menu system in recent editions of Office and Visio...

I swear these companies that make these horrible knockoffs are kept in business by people who buy them to make videos on how horrible they are.

Copying the iPhone? Isn't that sort of like judging who's turd smells the best?

Mad_Radhu: tgambitg:

Not the homescreen, that's the app drawer.

True, but you have to admit that Samsung specifically modified the Galaxy S app drawer to have the same look and feel as the iPhone home screens. The stock Android app drawer scrolls up and down not side to side like on an iPhone. The "dock" area at the bottom of the screen is also something you don't see on stock Android that was lifted directly from the iPhone UI (Moto also ripped this off in then latest version of Blur).

That said, Apple has returned the favor by ripping off the Android notification area in iOS 5. Weirdly enough it seems like Microsoft is the only company that is showing any creativity at all with the Metro interface on Windows Phone, which has a VERY different look and feel from everyone else.

Hmm, you're right. I'd forgotten about that. First thing I did when I got my SII was root it and rip all the Samsung shiate off of it. Now theres a stable release of Cyanogen I run that on it instead. I love Android, but can't stand most UI customisations.