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(CNN)   Remember all that money that went missing at the beginning at the Iraq war? Turns out, the receiver signed box 34A instead of 36B   (security.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 94
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2011-10-27 03:32:11 AM

Manfred J. Hattan: glenlivid: Manfred J. Hattan: Geez, you'd think an Obama-era report saying that a Bush-era scandal was less scandalous than originally thought would be a moment for bi-partisan celebration, or at least a brief thought that the system is at least 1% less screwed up than both sides thought it was.

Guess not.

I guess it just depends on how naive you are.

Well, it's true that people stupid enough to believe that are completely beyond reach.


I wish that made sense to me.

But here's my point: Rumsfeld announces that 2.3 TRILLION is completely unaccounted for. Missing. Pissed into the wind. Then came two wars that flushed another couple of trillion, and of that waste, all we can do is stand amazed that pallets of $100.00 dollar bills totaling 6 billion dollars vanished.

...It's like standing in awe at the tip of an iceberg.
 
2011-10-27 03:45:42 AM

glenlivid: Manfred J. Hattan: glenlivid: Manfred J. Hattan: Geez, you'd think an Obama-era report saying that a Bush-era scandal was less scandalous than originally thought would be a moment for bi-partisan celebration, or at least a brief thought that the system is at least 1% less screwed up than both sides thought it was.

Guess not.

I guess it just depends on how naive you are.

Well, it's true that people stupid enough to believe that are completely beyond reach.

I wish that made sense to me.

But here's my point: Rumsfeld announces that 2.3 TRILLION is completely unaccounted for. Missing. Pissed into the wind. Then came two wars that flushed another couple of trillion, and of that waste, all we can do is stand amazed that pallets of $100.00 dollar bills totaling 6 billion dollars vanished.

...It's like standing in awe at the tip of an iceberg.


That's not what he announced. He announced (and had been announcing for months before 9-11) that the Pentagon's accounting systems couldn't properly trace that amount from allocation to expenditure. They could do each step, but they didn't have a top-down way to report back to the top brass. Basically, an MBA problem. Within a couple of years, they fixed the systems and accounted for every penny (whether those pennies were spent wisely is of course a separate question). Poor bastard - Rumsford could have been the best peacetime Defense Secretary ever if there hadn't been a war to ruin things. His vision of the military of the futiure matches up nicely with how Obama is waging war now. But he was not, as they say, a wartime consiglieri.
 
2011-10-27 04:11:09 AM
I'm just glad my fat, ugly mama isn't alive to see this day...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-10-27 04:42:50 AM
here trilly trilly
 
2011-10-27 04:52:44 AM
testiclaw = why i read fark

/well done
 
2011-10-27 05:08:51 AM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2011-10-27 05:12:22 AM
4 trillion dollars. I am pretty sure we could buy a moon laser with that kind of scratch.
 
2011-10-27 05:21:33 AM

thursdaypostal: 4 trillion dollars. I am pretty sure we could buy a moon laser with that kind of scratch.


happy217.files.wordpress.com

/_____ that money maker
 
2011-10-27 05:41:32 AM
Dear US Government;

We are not that stupid, nor are we that naive. We understand that any government engaged in intelligence gathering needs a black budget. It's not like you can list who your paying for information, and for how much on a public ledger. We understand that sources need protection and that they deserve our protection because the information they provide does everything from save lives, to providing political leverage in our favor.

We just really wish you would just come out a say, this is our black budget, this is how much we need, and tho we can't tell details, you have a pretty good idea what it's for, and we are thankful for the trust you put in us by giving us our black budget.

$500000 toilet sets are an insult to our intelligence.

With Love, US Tax Payers
 
2011-10-27 05:51:43 AM
That should keep the morons' minds off of the missing $2.3 trillion (new window) from before the Iraq war.
 
2011-10-27 06:44:30 AM
What knockers!
 
2011-10-27 07:00:05 AM

fusillade762: Oops, looks like I lowballed amount that by quite a wide margin:

Iraq war will cost more than World War II
Iraq war, now winding down with US troop exit by December, has cost more than $800 billion so far. But ongoing medical treatment, replacement vehicles, etc., will push costs to $4 trillion or more. (new window)

Does anyone really feel $4 trillion dollars safer?


How much is that in bazillions of dollars? I can relate to that number. "Trillion" sounds like a fossil bug.
 
2011-10-27 07:42:16 AM

ultraholland: TFA: New evidence shows most of that money, $6.6 billion, did not go astray....but under the control of the Iraqi government,

same difference


Yes, this what the very notion I was coming to convey.


FTA:"The report focuses on money left over from shipments of more than $10 billion in U.S. currency shipped to Iraq - much of it in shrink-wrapped bricks of hundred dollars bills."

This image, of a palette carried by a fork-lift, coming off a C-130. Fresh, green hundreds in neat, cellophane bundles, stacked in a pile the size of a cord of wood. It is so boner-inducing.
 
2011-10-27 07:43:08 AM

FormlessOne: Bullshiat.

The money had to remain "missing", so that undocumented expenditures could continue. Now that we're about to leave, well, suddenly, the "missing" money turns up and we're supposed to believe that it wasn't "missing" at all - and that the remaining discrepancies will be eventually accounted for, once they're done cooking the books?

Bullshiat.


All they've "found" is a bunch of shrinkwrapped pieces of paper. How much would it cost to reprint those?
 
2011-10-27 07:58:44 AM

NFA: Safer? Saddam and Iraq were never a threat to the US.


Probably. But he sure was a regional threat willing to use chemical weapons. The Halabja chemical attacks were in 88, just a few years before gulf war I. I'll leave a GIS for Halabja here, because I don't want to get banned. Don't know where the chemical weapons went, but they were around a few years earlier, and got used.Link


Halabja.
 
2011-10-27 08:10:50 AM
It's nice to know we can hand deliver bricks of shrink wrapped $100 bills to a country full of people trying to kill us, but across the US schools can barely afford to keep enough teachers working to keep classes under 35 kids per teacher.

Gotta keep those priorities straight.
 
2011-10-27 08:30:07 AM

mccallcl:
Operation Drive Around the Desert Asking People Questions and Getting Shot At is worth it at twice the price. By "worth it" I don't actually mean worth it of course, but you get my drift.


I understand what you are saying. However, WW1 and WW2 soldiers didn't have access to our levels of medicine, means of transport (i.e. helicopters, jets & such for ferrying wounded around) or military equipment (body armour springs to mind).

So whilst we don't have the missing generations of previous wars, we have a greater financial burden because instead of coffins comming home we've got people needing major surgeries and fake limbs for the rest of their lives. Not that I think we should cheap out on after care for returning soldiers, they need $x million dollar false legs, they get $x million dollar false legs.

But we will be dealing with the consequences of these little border disputes probably for as long as we were dealing with the consequences of WW2.
 
2011-10-27 08:35:38 AM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: /small Cs to a big D... Game on biatches


greedy bastard.

/perky > big
 
2011-10-27 08:40:57 AM

fireclown: NFA: Safer? Saddam and Iraq were never a threat to the US.

Probably. But he sure was a regional threat willing to use chemical weapons. ...


Terrorism, save for the kind perpetrated by Iran - the arch-enemy of Iraq, never really was anything but a local affair around those parts.
 
2011-10-27 08:44:10 AM

GreenAdder: Oh, superb. Now we have $6.6 billion dollars more that we can spend on corporate welfare.


No, Iraq has $6.6 billion dollars.
 
2011-10-27 08:45:48 AM
Reminds me a little of this...

www.homevideos.com

"Nelson, we're talking about nuclear detonators here. You just don't 'lose' them and then 'find' them again. You lose your comb, and then you find it. Now I want to know where they were found and who found them. You catch my drift?"

Something tells me we'll never really know...

/obscure?
 
2011-10-27 08:51:24 AM

glenlivid: So if you're going to hang your "$60 billion a year in Medicare fraud" argument out there, you should probably back it up with some facts.

...I know, conjecture is just soooooooooo much easier.


The $60-billion-a-year number comes straight from Attorney General Eric Holder and has been reported on thoroughly by the aforelinked CBS, along with The Economist, the Washington Post, ABC, MSNBC, the Miami Herald, Time, and USA Today, for starters.

But I know, being a party-line kool-aid drinker is sooooooo much easier.
 
2011-10-27 09:27:55 AM

Gulper Eel: glenlivid: So if you're going to hang your "$60 billion a year in Medicare fraud" argument out there, you should probably back it up with some facts.

...I know, conjecture is just soooooooooo much easier.


The $60-billion-a-year number comes straight from Attorney General Eric Holder and has been reported on thoroughly by the aforelinked CBS, along with The Economist, the Washington Post, ABC, MSNBC, the Miami Herald, Time, and USA Today, for starters.

But I know, being a party-line kool-aid drinker is sooooooo much easier.


Hang on! Just got a call from the Elders of the Internet. They wanted me to make this proclamation:

"The moment someone refers to another as a 'kool-aid drinker' in a political argument, the credibility of the individual is lost."

Let your argument speak for itself, man, be the bigger person.
 
2011-10-27 09:35:32 AM

AngryPanda: Gulper Eel: glenlivid: So if you're going to hang your "$60 billion a year in Medicare fraud" argument out there, you should probably back it up with some facts.

...I know, conjecture is just soooooooooo much easier.


The $60-billion-a-year number comes straight from Attorney General Eric Holder and has been reported on thoroughly by the aforelinked CBS, along with The Economist, the Washington Post, ABC, MSNBC, the Miami Herald, Time, and USA Today, for starters.

But I know, being a party-line kool-aid drinker is sooooooo much easier.

Hang on! Just got a call from the Elders of the Internet. They wanted me to make this proclamation:

"The moment someone refers to another as a 'kool-aid drinker' in a political argument, the credibility of the individual is lost."

Let your argument speak for itself, man, be the bigger person.


While it's possible that Gulper could've been the better person, I'd say the snark might be warranted in this instance. Note the two bolded sections. Clearly one's playing off the other.

And clearly, one person has been proven to be significantly less factual than the other.
 
2011-10-27 09:38:38 AM

NFA: fusillade762: Does anyone really feel $4 trillion dollars safer?

Safer? Saddam and Iraq were never a threat to the US.



Why do you hate our Freedom? Why do you hate America?

I suppose you would have had us just sit around, thumbs up butt, while Iraqi landing craft disgorged the death of freedom and liberty onto the beaches of Florida.
 
2011-10-27 09:41:48 AM
aka.media.entertainment.sky.com

Why are you looking at us?
 
2011-10-27 09:49:30 AM

amd1433: Reminds me a little of this...

[www.homevideos.com image 266x200]

"Nelson, we're talking about nuclear detonators here. You just don't 'lose' them and then 'find' them again. You lose your comb, and then you find it. Now I want to know where they were found and who found them. You catch my drift?"

Something tells me we'll never really know...

/obscure?


Nothing is obscure on fark.
 
2011-10-27 09:58:21 AM
Make sure you don't mention this to the Chineese. We owe them a couple of bucks.
 
2011-10-27 09:59:34 AM
MUTHERFARKERS, IT WAS $9 BILLION!!!


http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/4228758/detail.html

/Oldest trick in the book.
 
2011-10-27 10:13:17 AM

ronaprhys: While it's possible that Gulper could've been the better person, I'd say the snark might be warranted in this instance. Note the two bolded sections. Clearly one's playing off the other.

And clearly, one person has been proven to be significantly less factual than the other.


Regardless of the argument at hand, it helps that if you're steering the conversation completely away from the topic at-hand, it helps to spring for a link or two. Odd that a problem that existed through several administrations is exclusively the fault of the most recent one.

And yes, using Rush Limbaugh-isms is the mark of a tool... especially ironic in this case considering his history with defrauding healthcare providers.
 
2011-10-27 11:00:57 AM

factoryconnection: Regardless of the argument at hand, it helps that if you're steering the conversation completely away from the topic at-hand, it helps to spring for a link or two. Odd that a problem that existed through several administrations is exclusively the fault of the most recent one.

And yes, using Rush Limbaugh-isms is the mark of a tool... especially ironic in this case considering his history with defrauding healthcare providers.


Steering and framing are at opposite ends of a similar spectrum. In one you're attempting to completely derail the argument with something that's, at best, tangentially-related. In the other, you're lending perspective to an argument. That doesn't mean the original argument is invalid, just that there may be larger fish to fry. Fairly similar to the arguments made when budget cuts come up and people push for cuts for welfare but the counters are about military spending.
 
2011-10-27 11:24:18 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: I suppose you would have had us just sit around, thumbs up butt, while Iraqi landing craft disgorged the death of freedom and liberty onto the beaches of Florida.


I give the french a LOT of credit for their assistance during the Rev war, which was more or less a rebel effort to remove the military and security apparatus of King George from my homeland.
 
2011-10-27 11:29:19 AM

factoryconnection: Regardless of the argument at hand, it helps that if you're steering the conversation completely away from the topic at-hand, it helps to spring for a link or two. Odd that a problem that existed through several administrations is exclusively the fault of the most recent one.


Which is not what I said. I do not think either party has the slightest interest in fighting off Medicare or defense fraud beyond the minimum effort. They will pay lip service to oversight, but anything that slows down the flow of government cheese to campaign contributors will be opposed, undermined or simply allowed to fail. Case in point: a recent story that showed up a couple of Sundays ago...that while the number of cases against fraudulent providers had increased, there was no follow-up attendance by federal authorities at the necessary hearings on revoking the thieves' Medicare-provider certificates.

So the crooks got their certificates back in many cases.

The only way Congress will sit up and take notice is when the money runs out. It's happening on the state level in my home state now. For ages there had been a proposal to palm-print Medicaid recipients to ensure that recipients were actually showing up and providers weren't just churning out bogus claims, but it was denounced by Democrats as racist and demeaning. The usual hackery. But now Uncle Sam is getting tight with Medicaid help for the states, and suddenly those same Democratic legislators are (tentatively) in favor of palm-printing because so much has been stolen from the state that it's now threatening to cause layoffs for unionized hospital workers and other key Democratic constituencies.
 
2011-10-27 11:30:28 AM
It was lining the walls of the banana stand.
 
2011-10-27 11:40:23 AM
I can't think how many times, though, I've asked, "How the fark do you lose 6 billion dollars."

It's nice to know they can come up with an answer even if it's probably not the truth.

I wonder if Barack Obama would loan me some of that money, since they found it an all. I have a small business I'd like to start.
 
2011-10-27 11:54:05 AM
I've always suspected that a lot of that money was spent on bribes, because how exactly do you officially document a bribe? CSB: I was deployed to Iraq twice, from June 2004-June 2005 and again from August 2006- November 2007, and on one occasion during my second deploymentI took part in a convoy that had the specific purpose of picking up $200,000 in bribe money to pay out to locals to "form neighborhood watch programs", or more accurately to "not try to kill us". It was in a shrink-wrapped bundle, probably $20 bills judging from the size, although I couldn't tell for sure through the shrink wrap. On the plus side, bribery worked much better than anything else we tried.
 
2011-10-27 11:54:23 AM

Hermione_Granger: I can't think how many times, though, I've asked, "How the fark do you lose 6 billion dollars."

It's nice to know they can come up with an answer even if it's probably not the truth.

I wonder if Barack Obama would loan me some of that money, since they found it an all. I have a small business I'd like to start.


It's the percent of total money that's an issue. If I've got a $20 and I lose a $0.25, I might not notice. However, if I've got $1 and I lose $0.25, I'm damn well going to notice.
 
2011-10-27 12:01:29 PM
Well, so long as there was a Report, all is cool. Right?

www.gamercoffee.com
 
2011-10-27 12:25:22 PM
Bu...bu...but Halliburton!
 
2011-10-27 01:08:07 PM

Hermione_Granger: I wonder if Barack Obama would loan me some of that money, since they found it an all. I have a small business I'd like to start.


for 6B it better be a small business like Cocoa Cola.
 
2011-10-27 02:51:49 PM
Why the fark were we giving them money again? We're NEVER going to benefit from anything going on in Iraq. Ever. They should farking pay us.
 
2011-10-27 05:12:08 PM

fusillade762: Does anyone really feel $4 trillion dollars safer?


Bush does.
 
2011-10-27 06:17:30 PM

Gulper Eel: glenlivid: So if you're going to hang your "$60 billion a year in Medicare fraud" argument out there, you should probably back it up with some facts.

...I know, conjecture is just soooooooooo much easier.


The $60-billion-a-year number comes straight from Attorney General Eric Holder and has been reported on thoroughly by the aforelinked CBS, along with The Economist, the Washington Post, ABC, MSNBC, the Miami Herald, Time, and USA Today, for starters.

But I know, being a party-line kool-aid drinker is sooooooo much easier.



So you are saying it's well documented and not exactly "crickets" as in your Boobies
 
2011-10-28 03:30:19 AM

Kanemano: So you are saying it's well documented and not exactly "crickets" as in your Boobies


It's documented. But not to the extent of this ridiculous pallet-cash story, which is now almost eight years old. Have you seen the Medicare/Medicaid fraud issue actually dealt with? All I've seen is a Medicare budget that keeps heading ever higher, and the only member of Congress willing to take a serious look at fraud was Tom Coburn, who didn't really get anywhere and couldn't resist overselling the point by high-balling his numbers (as if $60b/yr needed that).
 
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