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(Orange County Register) Dumbass If you're going to display a pro-atheist billboard with a quote from Thomas Jefferson, first make sure Jefferson actually said the quote. "I should have done the research before I put my billboard up"   (ocregister.com) divider line 299
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2011-10-26 08:03:09 PM
Thank God - now we can discount atheists and go back to sweet, sweet sky-god lovin'.
 
2011-10-26 08:14:48 PM
Let's go to the tote board!

Atheist billboard factual errors: 1

Religious billboard factual errors: Too many to count
 
2011-10-26 08:38:37 PM
Atheists are free to BELIEVE Thomas Jefferson said anything they like. Sure, he might have said it in the privy, or when farking some French trollop, but just because it is not authentically attributed to him there is no reason not to believe he said it.

Just because they don't believe in God doesn't mean they can't believe in Thomas Jefferson.
 
2011-10-27 12:09:06 AM

Ayup. That looks to be a mistake all right. Of course, it's possible a letter with such a quote exists; but given there is no evidence to credibly support the conjecture... wait.

Reason and experiment have been indulged, and error has fled before them. It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.

- Thomas Jefferson, Query XVII of Notes on the State of Virginia
 
2011-10-27 12:36:58 AM
Didn't TJ say
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed,
the lips acquire stains.
The stains become a warning.
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
 
2011-10-27 01:04:32 AM
Jefferson said it. I believe it. That settles it.
 
2011-10-27 01:51:45 AM
It's interesting to watch the different reactions when somebody gets caught making a statement with no supporting evidence.

Atheist: "Shiat, my bad, I feel like an idiot now, sorry"


Religious person: "It's my right to believe whatever I want, and your asking for evidence is oppressing me. STOP OPPRESSING ME!"
 
2011-10-27 02:45:42 AM
DammitIForgotMyLogin: It's interesting to watch the different reactions when somebody gets caught making a statement with no supporting evidence.

Atheist: "Shiat, my bad, I feel like an idiot now, sorry"


Religious person: "It's my right to believe whatever I want, and your asking for evidence is oppressing me. STOP OPPRESSING ME!"


I heart this post.
 
2011-10-27 03:18:02 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-10-27 03:45:32 AM
Hai guise, I'd like to see them prove he didn't say it.
 
2011-10-27 04:52:19 AM
You know what should've tipped him off? It's a stupid quote. it hasn't been written into our DNA the way Jefferson has, ""I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature. It is founded on fables and mythology." Christianity has a number of redeeming features; the problem is that the loudest Christians don't. And there's nothing wrong with myth and fable. It was there before Christianity; it will be there after. It is the wellspring of our spirituality and our morality.
 
2011-10-27 06:01:56 AM
FormlessOne: Thank God - now we can discount atheists and go back to sweet, sweet sky-god lovin'.
 
2011-10-27 06:02:01 AM
Come come now, being an atheist doesn't require fact-checking anymore than being a theist does.
 
2011-10-27 06:02:54 AM
Thomas Jefferson, like Jesus and all other religious figures, never existed. When are we going to stop pretending that these so-called "founding fathers" are anything more than lies created to control the populace?
 
2011-10-27 06:04:05 AM
jsnbase: DammitIForgotMyLogin: It's interesting to watch the different reactions when somebody gets caught making a statement with no supporting evidence.

Atheist: "Shiat, my bad, I feel like an idiot now, sorry"


Religious person: "It's my right to believe whatever I want, and your asking for evidence is oppressing me. STOP OPPRESSING ME!"

I heart this post.


www.lukewyatt.us
 
2011-10-27 06:07:51 AM
Evangelicals piss me off. Even the evangelical atheists. Believe what you want, but why do you all feel the need to try to convince me that you're right?
 
2011-10-27 06:16:45 AM
GDubDub: Believe what you want, but why do you all feel the need to try to convince me that you're right?

When's the last time an atheist evangelical knocked on your door?

On the other hand, if the subject comes up in conversation and you don't like it, stop conversing with people.
 
2011-10-27 06:20:50 AM
The major problem with atheists who put up billboards is the same problem with the Christians, Muslims, or anyone else who puts one up: they're dumb attention whores.

Logical arguments are only useful in a very limited capacity. Outside of orderly debate they're either too long and rambling for anyone to sit through or provoke an immediate oppositional reaction simply for being out of context.

Don't believe me? When was the last time you as an atheist pulled into a church for mass on Sunday because of a pithy saying on the local Jesus Saves billboard? Uh huh. And when was the last time some quote from a German philosopher hung up by an atheist made you doubt your belief in high powers as a religious person. That's what I thought.

So all the billboards are really doing is annoying everyone and providing taggers with something to do of a slow Thursday night. If you truly really feel that you've got some religious belief that's new, unique, or correct above all others that have come before: kill yourself. There's no view on religion that wasn't held vocally by at least one of the Greeks. Even seemingly new things like Descartes' Cogito were often discussed by Indian philosophers before even the Buddha was born. Your pet belief was held by countless people before you and will be held by countless after you and it hasn't swept the world yet. The least you can do is play it close to the vest.
 
2011-10-27 06:24:55 AM
doglover: The major problem with atheists who put up billboards is the same problem with the Christians, Muslims, or anyone else who puts one up: they're dumb attention whores.

Logical arguments are only useful in a very limited capacity. Outside of orderly debate they're either too long and rambling for anyone to sit through or provoke an immediate oppositional reaction simply for being out of context.

Don't believe me? When was the last time you as an atheist pulled into a church for mass on Sunday because of a pithy saying on the local Jesus Saves billboard? Uh huh. And when was the last time some quote from a German philosopher hung up by an atheist made you doubt your belief in high powers as a religious person. That's what I thought.

So all the billboards are really doing is annoying everyone and providing taggers with something to do of a slow Thursday night. If you truly really feel that you've got some religious belief that's new, unique, or correct above all others that have come before: kill yourself. There's no view on religion that wasn't held vocally by at least one of the Greeks. Even seemingly new things like Descartes' Cogito were often discussed by Indian philosophers before even the Buddha was born. Your pet belief was held by countless people before you and will be held by countless after you and it hasn't swept the world yet. The least you can do is play it close to the vest.


Incorrect quote aside, the stated motivation was this:

Gleason said his group is pushing two goals: "To let other people, non-believers, know that there's a place you can go and share the idea that you can be good and do good without a religion or god. And the second thing is that we want to expunge the myth that this is a Christian nation, the idea that the Declaration of Independence or Constitution have one ounce of Christian tenets."

The first goal is usually the one cited by atheists buying ad space according to every other fark article on the exact same subject.
 
2011-10-27 06:25:34 AM
I always hear about these 'militant atheists' who go around pushing their lack of belief down eveyone's throat. I have yet to meet one, where are they? If the most they do is a billboard people are free to ignore, I don't think that counts. I think religious people are just so unused to their beliefs being questioned anything feels like an assault...
 
2011-10-27 06:28:03 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-10-27 06:28:05 AM
You just have to have faith that Jefferson said it.
 
2011-10-27 06:28:13 AM
doglover: The major problem with atheists who put up billboards is the same problem with the Christians, Muslims, or anyone else who puts one up: they're dumb attention whores.

Logical arguments are only useful in a very limited capacity. Outside of orderly debate they're either too long and rambling for anyone to sit through or provoke an immediate oppositional reaction simply for being o....................


tl;dr;
 
2011-10-27 06:28:53 AM
doglover: Don't believe me? When was the last time you as an atheist pulled into a church for mass on Sunday because of a pithy saying on the local Jesus Saves billboard? Uh huh. And when was the last time some quote from a German philosopher hung up by an atheist made you doubt your belief in high powers as a religious person. That's what I thought.

You didn't think very deeply. There are more than two committed groups of people.
There are plenty of people on the fence who can be pushed either way.
And it makes sense for either side to try to push them the way that they think will better the country/world/pocketbook.
 
2011-10-27 06:29:48 AM
It's funny seeing atheists go yapping in a circle because somebody else believes in someone they don't. If atheists can believe in nothing, what's the problem with someone else believing in someone? If we want to pray before a football game, fine; if you don't, don't. Leave us to our beliefs. You think a small bunch of Communists ought to change the rules for everyone so the national anthem is NOT sung before sporting events? It's the same logic.

Atheism: the belief that there was nothing in the beginning and nothing happened to that nothing until that nothing just happen to explode, creating everything and then a bunch of everything just happen to rearrange itself into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense.

Seems like that would take more faith to believe in than believing in God.
 
2011-10-27 06:32:43 AM
Amigajoe: I always hear about these 'militant atheists' who go around pushing their lack of belief down eveyone's throat. I have yet to meet one, where are they? If the most they do is a billboard people are free to ignore, I don't think that counts. I think religious people are just so unused to their beliefs being questioned anything feels like an assault...

Hence this cartoon

img195.imageshack.us

Salut!
 
2011-10-27 06:33:29 AM
i1127.photobucket.com


Guy was willing to own his fail so he gets some credit for that.
 
2011-10-27 06:35:12 AM
tony41454: Seems like that would take more faith to believe in than believing in God.

No. Not at all. Do you read and understand science much?
 
2011-10-27 06:41:02 AM
tony41454: Atheism: the belief that there was nothing in the beginning and nothing happened to that nothing until that nothing just happen to explode, creating everything and then a bunch of everything just happen to rearrange itself into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense. the lack of belief in any deity

FTFY. Much more accurate this way. Anything else you can describe may be different philosophies and even science, but they are a part of a person's world view along with atheism. They are not, in and of themselves, atheism.
 
2011-10-27 06:43:06 AM
Frowns on your misquotations:
www.anunews.net
 
2011-10-27 06:43:06 AM
tony41454: It's funny seeing atheists go yapping in a circle because somebody else believes in someone they don't. If atheists can believe in nothing, what's the problem with someone else believing in someone? If we want to pray before a football game, fine; if you don't, don't. Leave us to our beliefs. You think a small bunch of Communists ought to change the rules for everyone so the national anthem is NOT sung before sporting events? It's the same logic.

Atheism: the belief that there was nothing in the beginning and nothing happened to that nothing until that nothing just happen to explode, creating everything and then a bunch of everything just happen to rearrange itself into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense.

Seems like that would take more faith to believe in than believing in God.

i18.photobucket.com
Things are not always what they seem.
One never really knows what goes on inside one's refrigerator, does one?
 
2011-10-27 06:44:37 AM
This guy should have done his research. After all, as the Bible says, "God only helps those who help themselves."
 
2011-10-27 06:45:22 AM
Amigajoe: If the most they do is a billboard people are free to ignore, I don't think that counts

I hate ALL billboards, except the occasional one with very small writing and very big titties. (or very nice small titties) But not everyone makes those. In face most don't. Which is sad because I'd MUCH rather support the company that uses it's advertising budget to give back to the community rather than the one that just wants you to comply.

www.thepinupfiles.com

THESE GALS BROUGHT TO YOU BY [YOUR COMPANY HERE]


Much better than:

3.bp.blogspot.com

or

www.churchrequel.com
 
2011-10-27 06:47:07 AM
Jimmy crack corn


(You finish it.)
 
2011-10-27 06:47:27 AM
esciencenews.com

emm what?
 
2011-10-27 06:47:54 AM
oldebayer: Atheists are free to BELIEVE Thomas Jefferson said anything they like. Sure, he might have said it in the privy, or when farking some slave, but just because it is not authentically attributed to him there is no reason not to believe he said it.


FTFY for accuracy.

And I hear what you said about attribution and there's no reason not to believe you said you totally like goatse with your mom.

/My point. See it?
 
2011-10-27 06:48:46 AM
Amigajoe: I always hear about these 'militant atheists' who go around pushing their lack of belief down everyone's throat. I have yet to meet one, where are they?

Riiiiiight here. I'm the smarmy bastard that keeps reminding them that their own religious text reveals just how full of FAIL their particular deity is. I'm a one-man, Sperry jackboot-wearing, cheap coffee-drinking, book-reading, logic-spewing oppression squad, fighting the war against the ignorance inherent in religious zeal-ism, deep in the heart of the southern Baptist stronghold.

I am the 0.^A% lucid fringe.
 
2011-10-27 06:56:34 AM
0Icky0: There are plenty of people on the fence who can be pushed either way.

In the right situation. Maybe by reading a book, maybe by talking with someone, maybe by just seeing the divine IRL or it's complete absence.

A text billboard, though? Anyone swayed by a text billboard is probably gonna be swayed to the other side for a free hot dog or some kind of snarky web comment.


I really just wanted to post tits, but GIS likes the NSFW pics so I had to go with a pin up girl.
 
2011-10-27 06:59:30 AM
tony41454: It's funny seeing atheists go yapping in a circle because somebody else believes in someone they don't. If atheists can believe in nothing, what's the problem with someone else believing in someone? If we want to pray before a football game, fine; if you don't, don't. Leave us to our beliefs. You think a small bunch of Communists ought to change the rules for everyone so the national anthem is NOT sung before sporting events? It's the same logic.
Praying before a football game and the national anthem are two very different events. I'm proud to be an American for all the freedoms and relative safety it provides in a real world. I would hope others are as well, and have a little pride as our national identity and collective beliefs are recognized. I do not pray to invisible men in the sky, and I politely ask that one belief not be singled out and foisted upon me. Your question "what's the problem with someone else believing in someone?" should read "what's wrong with not believing in someone?" as most religious folk are the ones to get their panties in a twist when I say there is no god. I don't want to hear a prayer before a game or dinner or during times of stress. Do you understand? Those of us with no religion have been told to "let it pass" as the religious conduct their business at our inconvenience.

Atheism: the belief that there was nothing in the beginning and nothing happened to that nothing until that nothing just happen to explode, creating everything and then a bunch of everything just happen to rearrange itself into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense.

If only there were some internet meme or joke for me to denote how ignorant you are. It's not that we think nothing happened, because obviously it did. We think that things occurred differently than the religious. We use fact-finding and evidence based theories to conclude what has occurred since time began. The wonderful thing about our argument is we actually have proof. And if we're wrong? Hey. We're wrong. We try to find the next answer and move on. The Christian (specifically) answer to wrongness is "FARK YOU I LOVE MY FAITH PRAISE JEEBUS."


Seems like that would take more faith to believe in than believing in God.

lol wut
 
2011-10-27 07:02:22 AM
This just in... Both sides of this spectrum have stupid, inbred morons without a drop of class, taste, quality or IQ, that get so excited and fired up they do really stupid things.

Leave religion out of it atheists, people are morons no matter what they believe
 
2011-10-27 07:05:47 AM
tony41454: It's funny seeing atheists go yapping in a circle because somebody else believes in someone they don't.

I don't care what you believe. Just don't insist that I believe it too, or use the government to enforce your beliefs over mine. Simple as that.
 
2011-10-27 07:07:01 AM
doglover: I really just wanted to post tits

And I commend you for this. Nothing better than a nice pair of titties.
 
2011-10-27 07:07:21 AM
GDubDub: Evangelicals piss me off. Even the evangelical atheists. Believe what you want, but why do you all feel the need to try to convince me that you're right?

Sigh...

One more time: Religion isn't harmless.

If all Christianity was was a bunch of people singing in churches on Sundays and trying to be nice to people then there'd be no problem.

But it isn't.

I don't want to tell you what to think. I want you to figure out that religion isn't harmless, that it's endemic in government and education and that you need to fight it.
 
2011-10-27 07:12:42 AM
I don't understand why anyone is upset. If the atheists are correct then we will all cease to exist when we die, and if the Christians are correct then they will get to watch the atheists burn in hell for eternity with, of course, an "I told you so" look on the Christian's faces. None of us really have very long to wait in relation to this worlds age which is also brought into question by certain groups...I mean...Dang it.
 
2011-10-27 07:12:58 AM
doodoobutter: This guy should have done his research. After all, as the Bible says, "God only helps those who help themselves."

Except that's not in the Bible, like the Jefferson quote isn't a Jefferson quote. Oh...I see what you did there. Very funny.

Vote for FREE GUN SUBSIDIES!
 
2011-10-27 07:14:49 AM
SurfaceTension: tony41454: It's funny seeing atheists go yapping in a circle because somebody else believes in someone they don't.

I don't care what you believe. Just don't insist that I believe it too, or use the government to enforce your beliefs over mine. Simple as that.


Just curious, but exactly when has the government of the United States ever enforced anything other than universally moral standards upon you?
 
2011-10-27 07:16:25 AM
Terrydatroll: I don't understand why anyone is upset. If the atheists are correct then we will all cease to exist when we die, and if the Christians are correct then they will get to watch the atheists burn in hell for eternity with, of course, an "I told you so" look on the Christian's faces. None of us really have very long to wait in relation to this worlds age which is also brought into question by certain groups...I mean...Dang it.

What if the Sihks are correct? Or what if the Vikings were correct? Or the indigenous Hawaiians? Or the Egyptians?
 
2011-10-27 07:17:16 AM
Pretty funny - considering Jefferson stated that he was a Christian.
 
2011-10-27 07:18:07 AM
doodoobutter 2011-10-27 06:44:37 AM
This guy should have done his research. After all, as the Bible says, "God only helps those who help themselves."

No, it doesn't.


Mighty Puzz 2011-10-27 06:59:30 AM

If only there were some internet meme or joke for me to denote how ignorant you are. It's not that we think nothing happened, because obviously it did. We think that things occurred differently than the religious. We use fact-finding and evidence based theories to conclude what has occurred since time began. The wonderful thing about our argument is we actually have proof. And if we're wrong? Hey. We're wrong. We try to find the next answer and move on. The Christian (specifically) answer to wrongness is "FARK YOU I LOVE MY FAITH PRAISE JEEBUS."

Fact-finding and evidence based on theories??? We actually have proof? (Based on theories? --i.e., "a speculative idea or plan as to how something might be done") If, as you (as a group) say, that religion is just a fairy tale, then why are you so OFFENDED, irritated, annoyed or angered by a fairy tale? Are you sure you're probably not more threatened by it being real than offended that it's not?
 
2011-10-27 07:19:05 AM
Everyone knows it was Lincoln that said that... or was it MLK?

/should have gotten his friend Sam Jefferson to say it and just put the last name- and no pic
 
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