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Treygreen13: Ha. If anyone is going to undeservedly win the MVP because ESPN wants it, it's Tom Brady.

Did Brady deserve it last year?

Sure thing moronic sports pundit!

/Come on guys, I know it's your job to troll but this...this is madness!

I jokingly said this a couple of weeks ago.

Poor Colts


/lol

Payton don't play D....

With a defense that is AVERAGING 32 points against, that team would suck regardless. Granted, I understand that the Colts' offensive ineptitude has an effect on their defense's performance, that D still blows ass.

Manning picked the right season to be on the sidelines, we'll just leave it at that.

I was just thinking of this exact thing when reading a different article about the Colt's woes. He clearly shouldn't actually win the MVP, but I hope he gets a few votes anyways.

MassD: Payton don't play D....

With a defense that is AVERAGING 32 points against, that team would suck regardless. Granted, I understand that the Colts' offensive ineptitude has an effect on their defense's performance, that D still blows ass.

Manning picked the right season to be on the sidelines, we'll just leave it at that.

It is completely shocking how well Manning done with this very bunch of flunkies in the same locker room. Reliable, powerful contender to bad joke with one substitution? I'm not a Colts fan, and I only like Manning in that fake United Way commercial, but really this just cements his already-monstrous legacy.

That being said, good QB or no, that fresh-leg defense got scorched for three TDs the first quarter on Sunday. That is inexcusable suckitude.

/Will it say b00bies quarter through the filter?

If he isn't on the field for at least one play, in what sense is he a 'player'?

It does somewhat validate Peyton's record number of MVPs, though.

Treygreen13: Ha. If anyone is going to undeservedly win the MVP because ESPN wants it, it's Tom BradyBRETT FAVRE.

FTFY

"If Peyton Manning merits MVP consideration, then I nominate Mike Singletary for Coach of the Year for not being in San Francisco," Jason Nawahine added. "Manning under center wasn't going to stop Drew Brees and the Saints from putting up a fifty-burger on that defense."

Completely ridiculous- if Peyton were in, and playing well, the Saints wouldn't have the time of possession required to put up that many points. It's not that the defense couldn't have stopped them, it's that they wouldn't have had the opportunity. Has this guy never watched a bad team play a good one with the "slow offense, keep the ball out of their hands" game plan?

Nah, if anything management should be voted worst management.

You ALWAYS have to have a legit contingency plan. If your team goes from perennial playoff team to 0-7 because of ONE guy, your planning sucks. This would have (or is technically I guess...) Manning's 14th season. It's pretty atypical to go that long without injury, without missing games, etc. Not having a viable backup is management's issue.

Pats lost Brady a few years back, Cassell stepped in and they went 12-4. Rodgers was out a game last year, Flynn stepped in (and though they lost) game them a legit shot at winning against a quality Pats team. Gotta have a viable backup nowadays, league is too strict on injuries not to.

EvilToni: Insert < doesn't play defense > post

He doesn't play at all.

devildog123: Last year the Patriots might not have gone to the Super Bowl, but Tom Brady, as an individual, had arguably one of the best seasons in the history of the NFL. 3900 yards passing, 36 touchdowns, and 4 interceptions. For all his personal flaws, and New England's lack of ability to finish out the season for the past few years, last year he earned the MVP, and could probably go to the HOF on that season alone.

I agree. I was more interested in whether the guy I quoted thought he didn't deserve it last year, but was given it because of ESPN's fanaticism. That seemed to be the implication.

IAmRight: As other people said on his FB page - Most Valuable PLAYER

As he has not played one down, he has not been a valuable player at all this season.

/similarly, Kurt Warner, by this metric would get MVPs for the past couple of years

Damn it I was going to make the same point using Dan Marino. John Elway, Steve Young, Jim Kelly, etc.

Or, I wanted a really fun reaction, Troy Aikman.

'if' I wanted, that is.

GAT_00: I think he's got a better argument for this season when the Pats are still sitting dead last for defense, yet they win by over a touchdown on average.

Meh. If things continue the way are, Aaron Rodgers should be damn near unanimous.

I like Sando, but that's really farking stupid.

devildog123: For all his personal flaws, and New England's lack of ability to finish out the season for the past few years, last year he earned the MVP, and could probably go to the HOF on that season alone.

Personal flaws? Is this that whole "he didn't marry the supermodel that he knocked up" thing again? Not a Pats fan by any stretch (they ruined the Birds' shot at a ring recently enough) but who gives a sh*t about that?

Super Chronic: I like Sando, but that's really farking stupid.


I always saw his name on the power rankings but never knew what he looked like. I figured a guy named Sando would be a fatass from eating too many cold-cuts.

I was disappointed when I saw his picture.

fatalvenom: Super Chronic: I like Sando, but that's really farking stupid.


I always saw his name on the power rankings but never knew what he looked like. I figured a guy named Sando would be a fatass from eating too many cold-cuts.

I was disappointed when I saw his picture.

You'll be happy to know that he once was a fatass, back when he was a beat writer in Seattle. He lost weight.

I wouldn't vote for Peyton Manning if I had an MVP vote, but the dude has a point. The Colts were terrible before they got Peyton, and since his first season, they've gone to the playoffs 11 out of 13 years and won more than 12 games 8 out of 13 years. Take him out of the equation, and they've gone from a perennial contender for the Super Bowl to a team rivaling the 2008 Detroit Lions for worst team ever status. This season cements for me that he deserves to be unanimously named to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Hell, even if voting were like the MLB Hall of Fame where nobody has ever been unanimously named, he would still deserve that honor.

As much as I would like to hate on a Manning, it is a legit question. Don't they have pretty much the same team from last year? I don't remember reading about any major personnel losses, maybe I missed something. Of course, he technically can't win it, but it does point to how valuable he is to the Colts.

/Eli's still a little biatch, though

Super Chronic: fatalvenom: Super Chronic: I like Sando, but that's really farking stupid.


I always saw his name on the power rankings but never knew what he looked like. I figured a guy named Sando would be a fatass from eating too many cold-cuts.

I was disappointed when I saw his picture.

You'll be happy to know that he once was a fatass, back when he was a beat writer in Seattle. He lost weight.


Sweet.

NO. That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

I've been a Colts fan since before they snuck out of Baltimore in the middle of the night, not even leaving a goodbye note. But NO. Peyton does not even need to be in the running. I knew we would suck this year, but not this bad. But we do. Oh well.

That being said, I DO NOT even want Peyton to consider coming back to play in 3 (maybe) games that will mean nothing. Why risk it? Heal. Come back next year. At the end of the day/season, IT'S A GAME. I don't want him (or any player really) coming back too soon to play in games that that far into season mean nothing, take a bad hit and bingo! Para/Quadra plegic

no.

not that important.

stay home.

Serious Black: This season cements for me that he deserves to be unanimously named to the Pro Football Hall of Fame

I would think that anyone who would vote against him doesn't deserve to be on the committee.

fatalvenom: Super Chronic: fatalvenom: Super Chronic: I like Sando, but that's really farking stupid.


I always saw his name on the power rankings but never knew what he looked like. I figured a guy named Sando would be a fatass from eating too many cold-cuts.

I was disappointed when I saw his picture.

You'll be happy to know that he once was a fatass, back when he was a beat writer in Seattle. He lost weight.


Sweet.

You know, after saying that, I'm not 100% sure it's true. I might have been like you, just wanting to believe it. I googled a little bit and couldn't find any visual evidence of it. And when I added "lost weight" to my search, I found an interview with him that kind of implied he was always thin. (A quote where he said that when he was younger, he could eat a bunch of maple bars and still lose weight.) Still, I choose to believe it, and that's what matters.

voting for Manning to be non-playing MVP is assuming the Colts were set to go 14-2 or 16-0 or something... 6-10 without the surgery is more realistic

so i vote for Manning's neck as MVP

GAT_00: It's not the worst argument. If they stay winless all year but Peyton comes back for the last 3 or 4 games and they win them all, I think he should get it. I figured the Colts would suck without him, but would they be this bad? Painter was doing real good until last week. Maybe the pressure of that first real big game got to him.

The problem is that the entire colts team is built around peyton manning.

Their offense revolves around peyton being able to call the play at the line based on what he sees to exploit miss-matches and and personnel packages. Very few QBs can do this with continued success like manning.

On top of that, their defense is built on the assumption that Peyton will put up 20-30 points a game and that the other team will need to pass a lot to keep up/catch up to the colts offense. So their defense has some smaller, quicker pass rushers. most of the Colts DL are all in the 250-260lbs range...Whereas a teams like the Packers or Jets have DL in the 290-300+lb range.

Likewise, the defense is based on the assumption that manning can control the game and clock (for the most part).

/The overall point...is that the colts do so poorly without manning becuase they built their entire team around him.

Super Chronic: You know, after saying that, I'm not 100% sure it's true. I might have been like you, just wanting to believe it. I googled a little bit and couldn't find any visual evidence of it. And when I added "lost weight" to my search, I found an interview with him that kind of implied he was always thin. (A quote where he said that when he was younger, he could eat a bunch of maple bars and still lose weight.) Still, I choose to believe it, and that's what matters.



I'm with you

qsblues: Treygreen13: Ha. If anyone is going to undeservedly win the MVP because ESPN wants it, it's Tom Brady BRETT FAVRE Tim Tebow.

FTFY

Fixed that for both of you

I'd venture to say that this Colts team would not finish better than 10-6 with Peyton 100% healthy. So when they finish 2-14, can you really say that 8 wins proves he's the best player right now?

MVP = Most Valuable Player

So far this season, Peyton Manning hasn't played a down, which means he can't be the 2011 MVP as he hasn't been a Player in 2011.

EvilToni: Insert < doesn't play defense > post

The Colts have consistently had a below average defense. So really, yes Peyton Manning should have been MVP every year as he carried that sad sack of shiat team to the playoffs every year.

/Not subby.

Too bad you award the MVP to a player that's helping your team win, and Peyton right now isn't doing ANYTHING to help his team win. GAME. SET. MATCH