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(Yahoo)   In 2006, multimillionaire Barack Obama failed to pay $8,558.46 in state income taxes, forcing the state of Illinois to file a tax lien that he fought until 2008. This would be an outrage, if it were actually Obama, and not Herman Cain   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 125
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2011-10-26 10:13:16 AM  
Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?
 
2011-10-26 10:35:03 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?


Which totally means it's OK for him to not pay his taxes.
 
2011-10-26 10:43:58 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?


I KNOW that you would say the exact same thing if it was Obama *rolleyes*
 
2011-10-26 11:01:26 AM  

No YOU'RE a Towel: Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?

I KNOW that you would say the exact same thing if it was Obama *rolleyes*


I know. Remember all those times every single Republican kept completely quiet when a tax issue came up with the President's cabinet? Totally not hypocritical.
 
2011-10-26 11:09:18 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?


New rule: if you disagree with a law, you don't have to follow it.
 
2011-10-26 12:13:14 PM  
After reading the entire article I can't say I'm monumentally outraged.
 
2011-10-26 12:31:04 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?

New rule: if you disagree with a law, you don't have to follow it.


Awesome. Saves me from hiding that hooker's body from the weekend.
 
2011-10-26 02:21:04 PM  

Quasar: After reading the entire article I can't say I'm monumentally outraged.


Pretty much this.
 
2011-10-26 02:22:34 PM  

No YOU'RE a Towel: I KNOW that you would say the exact same thing if it was Obama *rolleyes*


If Obama loves taxes so much, he should pay them himself first, before reaching for my wallet.
Herman Cain hates taxes, loves America, and shouldn't have to pay since he would have used that money to create jobs.

Your false dichotomy ab homophone argument fails.
 
2011-10-26 02:50:53 PM  
So, based on this thread Link (new window), and this one here..... the GOP stance on having cancer is when you have cancer, you don't have to pay your taxes and you don't have to do your job. Do I have that straight?
 
2011-10-26 03:06:38 PM  
"Jesus was a conservative" - Herman Cain

blog.firstcredit.net


"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" - Jesus

www.rolandsmartin.com
 
2011-10-26 03:10:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: sweetmelissa31: Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?

New rule: if you disagree with a law, you don't have to follow it.

Awesome. Saves me from hiding that hooker's body from the weekend.


You probably should do something with it. They start to stink after a couple of days.
 
2011-10-26 03:14:09 PM  

EvilEgg: cameroncrazy1984: sweetmelissa31: Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?

New rule: if you disagree with a law, you don't have to follow it.

Awesome. Saves me from hiding that hooker's body from the weekend.

You probably should do something with it. They start to stink after a couple of days.


photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net

Just make sure you don't use the bathtub, OK?
 
2011-10-26 03:19:06 PM  
Pay my taxes...?

Nein! Nein! Nein!
 
2011-10-26 03:19:06 PM  
In 2006, multimillionaire Barack Obama failed to pay $8,558.46 in state income taxes...

HA!! STUPID LIBTARD COMMIE CRIMINAL!!1!

...This would be an outrage, if it were actually Obama, and not Herman Cain


YOU LIBTARD DEMON-RATS ARE THE REAL RACISTS!!
 
2011-10-26 03:24:37 PM  
There are a lot of things that would be outrages if it were Obama instead of some republican.
 
2011-10-26 03:37:59 PM  

Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?


Right, because there's no difference between refusing to pay what is owed and having a tax lien ala Cain, and disputing the amount actually owed. None at all.
 
2011-10-26 03:46:56 PM  
But which party will accept the rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperadoes, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists?
 
2011-10-26 03:47:35 PM  
Agggh damn wrong thread stealing my post.
 
2011-10-26 03:49:32 PM  
Gordon said Cain had filed with the IRS and won a six-month reprieve in paying his 2006 federal taxes as he was undergoing his treatment for stage four lymphoma and believed that filing should also have bought him time with the state of Georgia. "In Georgia, a taxpayer can submit a copy of his federal extension to request an extension of state income taxes," Gordon said.

But instead, the state sent a notice of overdue taxes in October 2007, and then proceeded with the tax lien four months later, he said.

Cain's accountant fought the Georgia Department of Revenue on behalf of his client well into 2008 and the two sides finally settled the matter in November 2008. A court formally withdrew the state tax lien on Dec. 8, 2008, court records show.


What a contemptible human being--using the old "I was distracted trying to survive my stage-4 cancer treatment and thought my federal extension also applied to the state Georgia" excuse.

The only thing shameful about this article are the people trying to score points with it.
 
2011-10-26 03:57:26 PM  
i157.photobucket.com
 
2011-10-26 04:03:01 PM  

wyltoknow: Agggh damn wrong thread stealing my post.


Still works.
 
2011-10-26 04:07:06 PM  

Meatzilla: Liberal's response


Which liberal?
 
2011-10-26 04:09:13 PM  

gilgigamesh: Meatzilla: Liberal's response

Which liberal?


You. All of them.
 
2011-10-26 04:10:51 PM  

dletter: So, based on this thread Link (new window), and this one here..... the GOP stance on having cancer is when you have cancer, you don't have to pay your taxes and you don't have to do your job. Do I have that straight?


Awesome, then I would really like the money back for my 2006 taxes, since I had to file mine when I was still recovering from cancer surgery on my leg. To add insult to injury, my boss put the wrong amount on my W2, I didn't catch it, and in 2009, had to pay $900 extra.

I'll be waiting for that cancer exemption check.

Obviously, I feel bad the man had cancer, but it's not like he's some person who handles their own affairs with Turbo Tax. He is the CEO of an apparently major pizza chain -- he certainly has an accountant that takes care of things like his taxes, whether or not he is ill.
 
2011-10-26 04:11:19 PM  
I find Cain to be a serious ideologue and somewhat of a zealot, but this is stupid. It was pretty obviously a mistake, and pretty obviously one he took care of.

Find real reasons to oppose a politician, not silly crap like this.
 
2011-10-26 04:12:13 PM  
Meatzilla:

I remember Liberals telling Herman Cain that he should stay on the plantation and die of cancer.

Oh, wait! no I don't. Because that never happened.
 
2011-10-26 04:13:56 PM  

vernonFL: Meatzilla:

I remember Liberals telling Herman Cain that he should stay on the plantation and die of cancer.

Oh, wait! no I don't. Because that never happened.


It's okay, Vern... you just do not know as much as you think you do.
 
2011-10-26 04:17:50 PM  

Meatzilla: i157.photobucket.com


Cain has/had cancer?

I had no idea.

I hope he's OK, and I hope the fool never holds any position of authority.

I guess that makes me a slaver, eh Meaty?
 
2011-10-26 04:21:37 PM  

Meatzilla: vernonFL: Meatzilla:

I remember Liberals telling Herman Cain that he should stay on the plantation and die of cancer.

Oh, wait! no I don't. Because that never happened.

It's okay, Vern... you just do not know as much as you think you do.


You'll link to it for vern though, won't you?
 
2011-10-26 04:22:44 PM  

unlikely: I find Cain to be a serious ideologue and somewhat of a zealot, but this is stupid. It was pretty obviously a mistake, and pretty obviously one he took care of.

Find real reasons to oppose a politician, not silly crap like this.


The way I read that, he seems to think that the government not knowing he was ill was the problem --

""The experience serves as an example of how broken our federal and state bureaucracies are with respect to the collection of revenue," Cain campaign spokesman J.D. Gordon told The Beast. "The entire process is driven by automated letters generated in response to deadlines."

How else would he expect this to be handled? Someone personally checking in to make sure everything is okay? Under what circumstances would you be free from the deadlines? Sick? Stressed out? Broke? Just had a baby? Parent died? THAT is really where I find an issue with it. He thinks that automated letters based on deadlines for things such as taxes are somehow a problem.

Honestly, what other way would work to collect taxes from the millions of people in this country who have to pay them?
 
2011-10-26 04:26:19 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Cain has/had cancer?

I had no idea.

I hope he's OK, and I hope the fool never holds any position of authority.



It is in the link.
 
2011-10-26 04:29:33 PM  

serpent_sky: unlikely: I find Cain to be a serious ideologue and somewhat of a zealot, but this is stupid. It was pretty obviously a mistake, and pretty obviously one he took care of.

Find real reasons to oppose a politician, not silly crap like this.

The way I read that, he seems to think that the government not knowing he was ill was the problem --

""The experience serves as an example of how broken our federal and state bureaucracies are with respect to the collection of revenue," Cain campaign spokesman J.D. Gordon told The Beast. "The entire process is driven by automated letters generated in response to deadlines."

How else would he expect this to be handled? Someone personally checking in to make sure everything is okay? Under what circumstances would you be free from the deadlines? Sick? Stressed out? Broke? Just had a baby? Parent died? THAT is really where I find an issue with it. He thinks that automated letters based on deadlines for things such as taxes are somehow a problem.

Honestly, what other way would work to collect taxes from the millions of people in this country who have to pay them?


Well, to be fair to Cain.... with his "9-9-9" plan... you don't have any deductions from what I understand, so, the 9% collected by the employer from your paycheck would be what you owed... you wouldn't need to fill out any tax forms (or at the very least, your tax form is 'everything got paid thru my employer', you wouldn't need to figure out what is owed/refunded). The 9% business tax is paperwork businesses are already filling out, and the 9% sales tax is just another tax the business pays and has paperwork on.

Of course, his plan is very biased towards overtaxing the poor and giving the rich even more of a break, but, one thing it would do is not have nearly as many problems collecting taxes from individuals, since they would be completely collected from businesses and not individuals, if I understand it correctly.
 
2011-10-26 04:31:54 PM  
You know, if he's a cancer survivor, he might want to get a campaign manager who won't expose him to second hand smoke.

Just sayin'.
 
2011-10-26 04:40:42 PM  

violentsalvation: Lionel Mandrake: Cain has/had cancer?

I had no idea.

I hope he's OK, and I hope the fool never holds any position of authority.


It is in the link.


...until now, I shoulda said

/my bad
 
2011-10-26 04:49:28 PM  

dletter: Of course, his plan is very biased towards overtaxing the poor and giving the rich even more of a break, but, one thing it would do is not have nearly as many problems collecting taxes from individuals, since they would be completely collected from businesses and not individuals, if I understand it correctly.


Okay, I guess that is fair to give him -- that there wouldn't be forms and whatever was taken out would be taken out and that was that.

You are correct that it would be a burden on the poor -- it would also be a huge burden on the self-employed, wouldn't it?
 
2011-10-26 05:38:07 PM  

Meatzilla: [i157.photobucket.com image 640x480]


What in god's name does that even mean?
 
2011-10-26 05:45:13 PM  

imapirate: Meatzilla: [i157.photobucket.com image 640x480]

What in god's name does that even mean?


I believe it is termed "transference", a mental condition in which one transfers their own thoughts, desires and feelings onto another.
 
2011-10-26 05:51:35 PM  
Huh, crazy that he handles his own taxes. That must be nuts if he tries to file for deductions etc.
 
2011-10-26 05:52:28 PM  

serpent_sky: dletter: Of course, his plan is very biased towards overtaxing the poor and giving the rich even more of a break, but, one thing it would do is not have nearly as many problems collecting taxes from individuals, since they would be completely collected from businesses and not individuals, if I understand it correctly.

Okay, I guess that is fair to give him -- that there wouldn't be forms and whatever was taken out would be taken out and that was that.

You are correct that it would be a burden on the poor -- it would also be a huge burden on the self-employed, wouldn't it?


Most likely as well. Also, what is unclear to me that things like FICA would go away, so, this doesn't completely get rid of all the "federal taxes" on the bill.

But, digressing from that... what I never see from these "flat tax" people is "why" income bracketed tax is inherently "unfair". It isn't like a "rich" person pays "35%" on "all" of the yearly income they pay.... they only pay it on every dollar over $380k (roughly). Their 1st dollar earned, and their 500th dollar earned, are taxed the exactly same as someone who makes $10k a year... at 10%.

Honestly, I AM for getting rid of all the deductions, and having a much lower % near the bottom, and then going up from there. Just throwing some numbers out there (I'll just do "single", since, IMO, that would be part of "simplifying the tax code"... no married/partner tax rates)....

$0-20k 1%
$20-30k 2%
$30-40k 3%
$40-50k 5%
$50-60k 7%
$60-80k 9%
$80-100k 11%
$100-150k 13%
$150-200k 15%
$200-500k 20%
$500k-$1m 30%
$1m-$5m 35%
$5m+ 40%

So, yea, the very poor would start to get some income taxed, since they couldn't get exemptions to get out of it, but, it would be extremely low ($200 on the first $20k). And although the percentages would be much lower, I don't think you'd lose as much income, since for middle class folks, paying right now basically up to 25% (married filing jointly is 25% from $69-139), but, considering what you get from child/dependent, mortgage deductions, etc, if you aren't getting to deduct those things, it would basically be a 'wash' (basically, paying what you pay now as a %).

I have no idea if this would bring in the same income... someone else would figure all the exact #'s out. But, why it won't happen.... because any changes to tax law are written by the "billionaires"... and they want any "tax burden" to basically be transferred back and forth between the poor and the middle class segments.... nothing really touches the Top 1%, or certainly the top 1/2%. Anything that touches anyone within the Top 1% is written in such a way that they can pay tax attorney's 10 cents on the tax dollar to get out of paying it (but, it is written in such a way that only someone who can afford a tax attorney like that can figure out how to get the deduction). The 9% individual income tax... heck the rich would LOVE to have just that, they'll be happy to just pay those taxes.... I can't believe the tax attorneys wouldn't lobby heavily AGAINST any of these "flat tax" proposals. But, the rich are not going to go for getting rid of all the exemptions AND paying a "high" percentage on their incomes into the millions of dollars.
 
2011-10-26 06:17:03 PM  
He paid what he wanted to pay, like those trendy new restaurants. If we all did that, our debt problems would go away.
 
2011-10-26 06:18:31 PM  

vernonFL: Meatzilla:

I remember Liberals telling Herman Cain that he should stay on the plantation and die of cancer.

Oh, wait! no I don't. Because that never happened.


If you criticize him at all, for anything, ever; then you wish he had died of cancer while on the plantation. Herman Cain is a businessman, and therefore a brilliant problem solver, and every idea he has is tremendous. Even the ones that really suck.
 
2011-10-26 06:19:18 PM  

BravadoGT: What a contemptible human being--using the old "I was distracted trying to survive my stage-4 cancer treatment and thought my federal extension also applied to the state Georgia" excuse.


Anyone and everyone should know that extension of time to file DOES NOT mean extension of time to pay.
 
2011-10-26 06:19:19 PM  

EvilEgg: cameroncrazy1984: sweetmelissa31: Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?

New rule: if you disagree with a law, you don't have to follow it.

Awesome. Saves me from hiding that hooker's body from the weekend.

You probably should do something with it. They start to stink after a couple of days.




They don't stink bad if you remember to gut them and fill the cavity with salt.
 
2011-10-26 06:20:35 PM  
I work for the IRS so I'm getting a kick out of this. Mainly because it's not a federal issue and I hate Illinois Nazis.
 
2011-10-26 06:21:36 PM  

GAT_00: No YOU'RE a Towel: Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?

I KNOW that you would say the exact same thing if it was Obama *rolleyes*

I know. Remember all those times every single Republican kept completely quiet when a tax issue came up with the President's cabinet? Totally not hypocritical.


Since he was battling cancer I will give Herman the benefit of the doubt, but I totally agree with your point. Would a cancer stricken Obama get the benefit of the doubt from the partisan right?
 
2011-10-26 06:22:35 PM  

dletter: Honestly, I AM for getting rid of all the deductions, and having a much lower % near the bottom, and then going up from there. Just throwing some numbers out there (I'll just do "single", since, IMO, that would be part of "simplifying the tax code"... no married/partner tax rates)....



How about this?

$0-50k 0%
$50-75k 10%
$75-100k 20%
$100-200k 30%
$200k-1M 40%
$1M+ 45%
 
2011-10-26 06:23:00 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?

New rule: if you disagree with a law, you don't have to follow it.


I dare you to post that on the next legalize pot thread.

They'd probably love it so much they'd make you Ron Paul's running mate.
 
2011-10-26 06:23:15 PM  
Non issue.

"Herman Cain has tax dispute with government then pays his taxes" isn't something to get excited about.

This is left wing whargarble, fellas. We have much more important things to biatch about.
 
2011-10-26 06:23:43 PM  

Elvis_Bogart: Why is it an outrage? Cain isn't one of those jackasses yelling "RAISE MY TAXES!" while owing almost a billion dollars like Warren Buffet?


That was probably easier to type than something that was relevant.
 
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