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(The New York Times) Obvious Obama's foreign policy failures aren't his own fault. They're America's fault   (nytimes.com) divider line 144
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2011-10-26 09:41:08 AM
From the opinion piece: Barack Obama has turned out to be so much more adept at implementing George W. Bush's foreign policy than Bush was[.]

That isn't why I voted for him, though. I wish he was better at his own policy.
 
2011-10-26 09:51:32 AM
Failures? Such as?
 
2011-10-26 09:57:27 AM
SphericalTime: From the opinion piece: Barack Obama has turned out to be so much more adept at implementing George W. Bush's foreign policy than Bush was[.]

That isn't why I voted for him, though. I wish he was better at his own policy.


Did you actually read it? The Bush foreign policy he's talking about is the War on Terror, which Bush farked up royally whereas Obama has been quite a bit more successful.

Good grief.
 
2011-10-26 10:03:19 AM
Barbigazi: Failures? Such as?

FTA:

But while Obama has been deft at implementing Bush's antiterrorism policy, he has been less successful with his own foreign policy. His Arab-Israeli diplomacy has been a mess. His hopes of engaging Iran foundered on the rocks of, well, Iran. He's made little effort to pull together a multilateral coalition to buttress the Arab Awakening, in places like Egypt, to handle the postrevolution challenges. His ill-considered decision to double down on Afghanistan could prove fatal. He is in a war of words with Pakistan. His global climate policy is an invisible embarrassment. And the coolly calculating Chinese and Russians, while occasionally throwing him a bone, pursue their interests with scant regard to Obama's preferences. Why is that?

So he hasn't solved the Arab-Israeli problem. Shocker
Iran is not our BFF. Oh no.
We didn't intervene in Egypt. Good.
Stone-aged Afghanistan hasn't become a democratic paradise already. Another shocker.
The Chinese and Russians pretty much do what they want. Amazing.

The guy is picking some serious nits.
 
2011-10-26 10:04:08 AM
Sorry republicans. You have lost that whole "we are better at foriegn policy" thing. Let it go man cause its gone. No matter how you spin it Obama has done a excellent job on that front. Just to rub it in Clinton did a better job of it too. Those two have seen foriegn policy as something vital to our nation and for too long your guys ahve used it as a campaign strategy. Booga booga terrorism doesn't work anymore.
 
2011-10-26 10:06:11 AM
And the coolly calculating Chinese and Russians, while occasionally throwing him a bone, pursue their interests with scant regard to Obama's preferences. Why is that?

Guy, even in Jesus Christ Himself were President, Russia and China would pursue their own interests. They're powerful sovereign nations. It's not possible for any President to bend them to his will.
 
2011-10-26 10:07:29 AM
Tor_Eckman: SphericalTime: From the opinion piece: Barack Obama has turned out to be so much more adept at implementing George W. Bush's foreign policy than Bush was[.]

That isn't why I voted for him, though. I wish he was better at his own policy.

Did you actually read it? The Bush foreign policy he's talking about is the War on Terror, which Bush farked up royally whereas Obama has been quite a bit more successful.

Good grief.


Er, yes? My comment was on the fact that Friedman's opinion is that he isn't as good at his own policy initiatives, which I generally agree with.

But yes, Obama has been ten times more successful in the War on Terror than Bush. I just don't necessarily agree with all of the facets of the war on Terrorism.
 
2011-10-26 10:31:06 AM
Dear Mr. Friedman,

Welcome to the world before World War II. We are sorry that throughout your relatively perfect life your generation never knew a time when America didn't get it's way all the time. We know respecting the sovereignty of nations is a hard thing for you to understand, and we are especially sorry that at your age you've just now realized that countries have their own self interests that are apart from the United States. We are also sorry that you still haven't realized that the majority of Americans below the age of 45 don't give a shiat about Israel/Palestine since they both refuse to act like adults.

I know this is all a shock to you and your generation, so we'll give you a minute to take it all in.

Sincerely,

Reality
 
2011-10-26 10:31:06 AM
Tor_Eckman: Barbigazi: Failures? Such as?

FTA:

But while Obama has been deft at implementing Bush's antiterrorism policy, he has been less successful with his own foreign policy. His Arab-Israeli diplomacy has been a mess. His hopes of engaging Iran foundered on the rocks of, well, Iran. He's made little effort to pull together a multilateral coalition to buttress the Arab Awakening, in places like Egypt, to handle the postrevolution challenges. His ill-considered decision to double down on Afghanistan could prove fatal. He is in a war of words with Pakistan. His global climate policy is an invisible embarrassment. And the coolly calculating Chinese and Russians, while occasionally throwing him a bone, pursue their interests with scant regard to Obama's preferences. Why is that?

So he hasn't solved the Arab-Israeli problem. Shocker
Iran is not our BFF. Oh no.
We didn't intervene in Egypt. Good.
Stone-aged Afghanistan hasn't become a democratic paradise already. Another shocker.
The Chinese and Russians pretty much do what they want. Amazing.

The guy is picking some serious nits.


Actually, we supposedly did intervene a little in Egypt, When Mubarak was ordering his army to crack down on the protesters like the police was, we apparently asked them to either support the protesters or stay neutral, which came in handy since they would have been using mass quantities of American hardware to crush the protests otherwise.

A good leader knows when to act, when not to act, and when to nudge the situation so that it has a better chance of turning out in his/her favor.

Look at Libya, we fired off about 2 billion worth of missiles, sold more to the UK and France when they ran out, and let the Libyans do the heavy on the ground stuff by preventing them from being slaughtered, no American lives lost, and guess what, the Libyans like us better now.
 
2011-10-26 10:32:34 AM
Hey, he killed Osama ... right ?

/ with his cold.bare.hands
 
2011-10-26 10:53:30 AM
For fark's sake. His foreign policy has been pretty good. Even my only complaint has been the execution of people without a trial, not that he hasn't gone after them. I actually have the impression that we've done good outside of this country, something I never had during the Bush years.
 
2011-10-26 11:17:55 AM
Barbigazi: Failures? Such as?
 
2011-10-26 11:21:50 AM
Zalan: A good leader knows when to act, when not to act, and when to nudge the situation so that it has a better chance of turning out in his/her favor.

Look at Libya, we fired off about 2 billion worth of missiles, sold more to the UK and France when they ran out, and let the Libyans do the heavy on the ground stuff by preventing them from being slaughtered, no American lives lost, and guess what, the Libyans like us better now.


This. We handled Libya well because we did exactly what we had to and no more. We didn't get stuck in there. We didn't pick a single narrow faction or hold up a specific leader we want to take Quadaffi's place. We just provided tactical support. And you know what? Yes, Libya might become an Islamic theocracy, but it will be a theocracy that will keep us on their good side because we didn't play midwife with their fledgling government by kicking the mother in the stomach as she gave birth.
 
2011-10-26 11:26:25 AM
veedeevadeevoodee: Hey, he killed Osama ... right ?

/ with his cold.bare.hands


Nope. He took the risk and gave the order to proceed.

Something Bush had the opportunity to do, but he lacked the balls. So Osama got another decade of life.

You guys just hate it when Obama succeeds where the badass Republicans failed miserably, dontcha?

I love to listen to whine.
 
2011-10-26 11:49:53 AM
Bloody William: kicking the mother in the stomach as she gave birth.

Surprising that the Republicans would even support that?
 
2011-10-26 11:52:58 AM
Lionel Mandrake: veedeevadeevoodee: Hey, he killed Osama ... right ?

/ with his cold.bare.hands

Nope. He took the risk and gave the order to proceed.

Something Bush had the opportunity to do, but he lacked the balls. So Osama got another decade of life.

You guys just hate it when Obama succeeds where the badass Republicans failed miserably, dontcha?

I love to listen to whine.


Bush farked Iraq so badly, he lacked any credibility/leeway to take any chances pissing off another country like Pakistan. If Bush had stuck to Afghanistan, I suspect that he probably would have had the balls to go after OBL in Pakistan. Not getting OBL, is really just an extension of his failure in invading Iraq.
 
2011-10-26 11:53:47 AM
Bloody William: This. We handled Libya well because we did exactly what we had to and no more. We didn't get stuck in there. We didn't pick a single narrow faction or hold up a specific leader we want to take Quadaffi's place. We just provided tactical support.

And we did it under the guise of NATO. Yes, that means we weren't "the leader" of the operation - that's the point.
 
2011-10-26 11:54:34 AM
THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

The New York Times pays me to write something every week and so I have to come up with some sort of bullshiat and also I need to attempt to make it entertaining because I'm an famous economist and author and I write for the New York Times and what the fark am I supposed to write about because this shiat is getting old and I need to stay relevant and I really need the paycheck.
 
2011-10-26 12:34:43 PM
1) Retards voted in retards in 2010.
2) Voted-in retards have done nothing in 2011 but block policy.
3) Done, validated. American retards are the culprits.
 
2011-10-26 12:35:28 PM
vernonFL: THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

The New York Times pays me to write something every week and so I have to come up with some sort of bullshiat and also I need to attempt to make it entertaining because I'm an famous economist and author and I write for the New York Times and what the fark am I supposed to write about because this shiat is getting old and I need to stay relevant and I really need the paycheck.


That moustache isn't going to trim itself!
 
2011-10-26 12:36:01 PM
Barack Kissinger Obama


I believe it's: Broke Kissing-ass Hussein Fartbongo
 
2011-10-26 12:36:18 PM
Obama has yet to unite the entire world underneath the American Flag. This is a serious shortcoming which should not be overlooked in the next election.
 
2011-10-26 12:37:12 PM
impaler: Bloody William: This. We handled Libya well because we did exactly what we had to and no more. We didn't get stuck in there. We didn't pick a single narrow faction or hold up a specific leader we want to take Quadaffi's place. We just provided tactical support.

And we did it under the guise of NATO. Yes, that means we weren't "the leader" of the operation - that's the point.


Funny how when we try to force a revolution, it's not very popular:

www.tc.umn.edu
www.tc.umn.edu

Obama's foreign policy is worthy of a Doctrine.
 
2011-10-26 12:39:39 PM
Bush didn't have a foreign policy, he had a foreign ideological vision which was implemented without a coherent policy--which is one reason why it was such a fustercluck. Obama one the other hand has been very pragmatic in cleaning up the mess.
 
2011-10-26 12:44:16 PM
veedeevadeevoodee: Hey, he killed Osama ... right ?

/ with his cold.bare.hands


Just another case of Obama pursuing Bush's policies. In this case, Obama pursued the "we'll get the people who knocked down these buildings" Bush policy of 2001 rather than the "meh" Bush policy of 2004.
 
2011-10-26 12:47:49 PM
One would think the transformation of the entire military and creation of joint op rapid strike teams WOULD take a little while to get going efficiently...
 
2011-10-26 12:49:14 PM
vernonFL: THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

The New York Times pays me to write something every week and so I have to come up with some sort of bullshiat and also I need to attempt to make it entertaining because I'm an famous economist and author and I write for the New York Times and what the fark am I supposed to write about because this shiat is getting old and I need to stay relevant and I really need the paycheck.


You had me until the bit about needing the paycheck; his wife is loaded - although her family's fortune took a big hit when the real estate market tanked - so he's no breadwinner.
 
2011-10-26 12:52:01 PM
Lumpmoose: impaler: Bloody William: This. We handled Libya well because we did exactly what we had to and no more. We didn't get stuck in there. We didn't pick a single narrow faction or hold up a specific leader we want to take Quadaffi's place. We just provided tactical support.

And we did it under the guise of NATO. Yes, that means we weren't "the leader" of the operation - that's the point.

Funny how when we try to force a revolution, it's not very popular:

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Obama's foreign policy is worthy of a Doctrine.


I'd call it the Leading From Behind doctrine, but the LGBT community would argue that he hasn't done enough for them.
 
2011-10-26 12:52:17 PM
He could have taken a dump in the Queen of England's hat and his foreign policy record would still be way better than his predecessor's.
 
2011-10-26 12:54:07 PM
Cassius Belle: his wife is loaded - although her family's fortune took a big hit when the real estate market tanked

(from Wiki) Friedman's wife, Ann, is a graduate of Stanford University and the London School of Economics. Her father, Matthew Bucksbaum, was the chairman of the board of General Growth Properties, a real estate development group. As of 2007, Forbes estimated the Bucksbaum family's assets at $4.1 billion, including about 18.6 million square meters of mall space, but the firm's value later plummeted. The family's trust declined in value from $3.6 billion to $25 million.On April 16, 2009, the company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, after failing to reach a deal with its creditors. The GGP collapse marked the largest real estate bankruptcy in U.S. history.

Wow.
 
2011-10-26 12:54:13 PM
Zalan: A good leader knows when to act, when not to act, and when to nudge the situation so that it has a better chance of turning out in his/her favor.

So what you're saying is you have to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, and know when to run?

/sorry
 
2011-10-26 12:54:39 PM
coeyagi: I'd call it the Leading From Behind doctrine, but the LGBT community would argue that he hasn't done enough for them.

Getting rid of DADT and stopping defense of the DOMA isn't enough?
 
2011-10-26 12:56:04 PM
cameroncrazy1984: coeyagi: I'd call it the Leading From Behind doctrine, but the LGBT community would argue that he hasn't done enough for them.

Getting rid of DADT and stopping defense of the DOMA isn't enough?


It's enough for me, but I am not trying to get married to a dude now am I?

//Progress - You can't have it all at once™
 
2011-10-26 12:57:26 PM
The Bush policy that tickled me was deriding the UN and Europe about getting on board for Iraq and then asking them for help, later.

Freedom Fries.
 
2011-10-26 12:58:27 PM
coeyagi: cameroncrazy1984: coeyagi: I'd call it the Leading From Behind doctrine, but the LGBT community would argue that he hasn't done enough for them.

Getting rid of DADT and stopping defense of the DOMA isn't enough?

It's enough for me, but I am not trying to get married to a dude now am I?

//Progress - You can't have it all at once™


While I agree he probably hasn't done enough on the gay marriage front, if you lived in New York you'd be pretty happy if you were trying to marry a dude.
 
2011-10-26 12:59:44 PM
Jake Havechek: The Bush policy that tickled me was deriding the UN and Europe about getting on board for Iraq and then asking them for help, later.

Freedom Fries.


Bush Doctrine - Nation-Building without Nations (plural) Building™
 
2011-10-26 01:01:32 PM
cameroncrazy1984: coeyagi: cameroncrazy1984: coeyagi: I'd call it the Leading From Behind doctrine, but the LGBT community would argue that he hasn't done enough for them.

Getting rid of DADT and stopping defense of the DOMA isn't enough?

It's enough for me, but I am not trying to get married to a dude now am I?

//Progress - You can't have it all at once™

While I agree he probably hasn't done enough on the gay marriage front, if you lived in New York you'd be pretty happy if you were trying to marry a dude.


Like I said, I am happy with the progress, I just never hear anyone from the LGBT community (other than those in NYC) get all hyped about what he's done. Not that my area is teaming with LGBT folks that I would know, other than what MSNBC or CNN occasionally tells me.
 
2011-10-26 01:02:53 PM
What in the hell is this clown on about?
 
2011-10-26 01:05:31 PM
I read the NYT because all that money, power and influence tells no lies and never supports the 1%-ers agenda. That is one impartial paper. They get all their info from the top. Their sources are the salt of the Earth, the highest up of the highest up. We all know those people are looking out for our best interests.


Oh, that font is really official looking and all.
 
2011-10-26 01:13:46 PM
GAT_00: For fark's sake. His foreign policy has been pretty good. Even my only complaint has been the execution of people without a trial, not that he hasn't gone after them. I actually have the impression that we've done good outside of this country, something I never had during the Bush years.

you don't put the enemy on trial when your at war with them, you just shoot them. Al-Qaeda decalred war on 9/11. Don't wanna get killed, don't kill 3000 people.
 
2011-10-26 01:15:38 PM
coeyagi: Like I said, I am happy with the progress, I just never hear anyone from the LGBT community (other than those in NYC) get all hyped about what he's done. Not that my area is teaming with LGBT folks that I would know, other than what MSNBC or CNN occasionally tells me.

Luckily, he doesn't have to worry about running on his record of what he has done, as long as he's done anything, which, of course, he has. All he has to run on, as far as the LGBT community is concerned, is the very real threat by Republican candidates to purposely undo the progress he has made.
 
2011-10-26 01:16:42 PM
One thing I really want to see Obama do is stand up and talk about the difference between foreign and domestic policy

On foreign policy, he's pretty much the boss given the evolution of the presidency. So what has he gotten done? Osama killed, many other high ranking al-Qaida leaders dead, Libya handled without a single US life lost, US pulling out of Iraq, etc. His biggest failure is around Israel, a place where Congress feels free to meddle whenever it pleases.

On domestic policy, he has to get everything through Congress. He barely managed a watered-down health care reform law even when given an overwhelming majority in Congress. He can't get a jobs bill through at all now. Any attempt at serious economic He can't even get basic political appointees approved.

The conclusion we can draw from this is obviously that Obama is at fault for not fixing domestic stuff, right?
 
2011-10-26 01:17:37 PM
Glockenspiel Hero: One thing I really want to see Obama do is stand up and talk about the difference between foreign and domestic policy

On foreign policy, he's pretty much the boss given the evolution of the presidency. So what has he gotten done? Osama killed, many other high ranking al-Qaida leaders dead, Libya handled without a single US life lost, US pulling out of Iraq, etc. His biggest failure is around Israel, a place where Congress feels free to meddle whenever it pleases.

On domestic policy, he has to get everything through Congress. He barely managed a watered-down health care reform law even when given an overwhelming majority in Congress. He can't get a jobs bill through at all now. Any attempt at serious economic reform is DOA. He can't even get basic political appointees approved.

The conclusion we can draw from this is obviously that Obama is at fault for not fixing domestic stuff, right?


Sorry, FTFM
 
2011-10-26 01:18:07 PM
Lemme guess:

Obummer is not allowing the far right of a foreign power to dictate our policy in the middle east!11ty!
 
2011-10-26 01:18:37 PM
Wyalt Derp: He could have taken a dump in the Queen of England's hat and his foreign policy record would still be way better than his predecessor's.

You're assuming taking a dump in Her Majesty's hat is a negative for foreign relations.
 
2011-10-26 01:19:21 PM
Barbigazi: Failures? Such as?

We aren't collecting tribute from our occupied nations, for one.
 
2011-10-26 01:24:29 PM
AcneVulgaris: Barbigazi: Failures? Such as?

We aren't collecting tribute from our occupied nations, for one.


Tribute?! You steal men's souls and make them your slaves!
 
2011-10-26 01:34:23 PM
Jake Havechek: The Bush policy that tickled me was deriding the UN and Europe about getting on board for Iraq and then asking them for help, later.

Freedom Fries.


A few months after I was on Parliament Hill (Canada) with 50,000 of my countrymen giving our respects for the victimes of 9/11, we were berated for not joining the coallition of the willing in the Iraq invasion. We supported the Afghanistan war effort and we will never forget the Bush administration for shiatting on us for not going after the "WMDs" with them in Iraq.
 
2011-10-26 01:39:17 PM
Lionel Mandrake:

Something Bush had the opportunity to do, but he lacked the balls.

fayinc.files.wordpress.com

/ pulling something out of your ass doesn't count
 
2011-10-26 01:39:53 PM
Targeted killings, coordinated intelligence, and limited engagement (while shoring up international support) were NEVER President Bush's policies, and they have ALWAYS been President Obama's policies.
 
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