and then complain that the rich paid for the spikes

Someone will need to clean the spikes ... JOB CREATORS!

It's when the safety net is used as a cot that people begin to have a problem with it

Not allowing poor people to die in the streets of starvation and frostbite is CLASS WARFARE!

Green Scorpio: It's when the safety net is used as a cot that people begin to have a problem with it

Different people are different. Most "job creators" inherited their wealth. Those few that are self made are simply amazing people. People who, against all odds, got ahead. These few, by definition thrive in a headwind. The poor for the most part languish in headwinds. What to do about this contradiction is one of the greatest intractable problems of our time.

DNRTFA, but that seems pretty dodgy, since the World Bank has spent the last 40 years demanding countries dismantle their social safety nets...

extroverted_suicide: DNRTFA, but that seems pretty dodgy, since the World Bank has spent the last 40 years demanding countries dismantle their social safety nets...

Maybe, just maybe, some Fresh Water economists are starting to loose credibility in some circles.

meat0918: I've never heard that term. I'll guess it has something to do with the Chicago school though.

Yup.

Fresh Water ~= The Chicago Boys
Salt Water ~= New Keynesian

The ongoing fact that the US can borrow at ~2% does not seem to fit many non-Keynesian models.

bootman: Green Scorpio: It's when the safety net is used as a cot that people begin to have a problem with it

Different people are different. Most "job creators" inherited their wealth. Those few that are self made are simply amazing people. People who, against all odds, got ahead. These few, by definition thrive in a headwind. The poor for the most part languish in headwinds. What to do about this contradiction is one of the greatest intractable problems of our time.

Really? Citation please. Most jobs are created by small businesses. Most small businesses are not handed down (although many are). Therefore, most job creators are small business folks who start from not so much and take risks. Many successful large-scale entrepreneurs do so as well. The difference seems to be largely the willingness and opportunity to take risks. In the US, there's a fair amount of opportunity. In many other places, not so much; a budding entrepreneur would have to leave (a risk in itself) to succeed.

How to get risk-averse people to take risks, particularly when they are fairly comfortable and can vote themselves more comfort at the expense of others, is intractable, yes, I agree.

Galloping Galoshes: bootman: Green Scorpio: It's when the safety net is used as a cot that people begin to have a problem with it

Different people are different. Most "job creators" inherited their wealth. Those few that are self made are simply amazing people. People who, against all odds, got ahead. These few, by definition thrive in a headwind. The poor for the most part languish in headwinds. What to do about this contradiction is one of the greatest intractable problems of our time.

Really? Citation please. Most jobs are created by small businesses. Most small businesses are not handed down (although many are). Therefore, most job creators are small business folks who start from not so much and take risks. Many successful large-scale entrepreneurs do so as well. The difference seems to be largely the willingness and opportunity to take risks. In the US, there's a fair amount of opportunity. In many other places, not so much; a budding entrepreneur would have to leave (a risk in itself) to succeed.

How to get risk-averse people to take risks, particularly when they are fairly comfortable and can vote themselves more comfort at the expense of others, is intractable, yes, I agree.

I did put "job creators" in quotes. "Job Creators" is Luntz new-speak for wealthy. No, no citation for you.

meat0918: bootman: Galloping Galoshes:Really? Citation please. Most jobs are created by small businesses. Most small businesses are not handed down (although many are). Therefore, most job creators are small business folks who start from not so much and take risks. Many successful large-scale entrepreneurs do so as well. The difference seems to be largely the willingness and opportunity to take risks. In the US, there's a fair amount of opportunity. In many other places, not so much; a budding entrepreneur would have to leave (a risk in itself) to succeed.

How to get risk-averse people to take risks, particularly when they are fairly comfortable and can vote themselves more comfort at the expense of others, is intractable, yes, I agree.

I did put "job creators" in quotes. "Job Creators" is Luntz new-speak for wealthy. No, no citation for you.

I thought that was pretty clear you were talking about the people the Republicans are trying to please, not small business owners.

Obviously I was trying to be too clever. It apparently gave Galloping Galoshes the needed space to reply while ignoring my headwinds analogy. Shame on me.

MrEricSir: Not allowing poor people to die in the streets of starvation and frostbite is CLASS WARFARE!

Voluntarily helping people on our own is compassion. Voting away other people's money to send it to a cause you personally support is being self-rightous.

meat0918: I thought that was pretty clear you were talking about the people the Republicans are trying to please, not small business owners.

Sorry, I'm not tuned into the snark here. Don't speak Luntz, either.

tgregory: Voting away other people's money to send it to a cause you personally support is being self-rightous.

Voting it to yourself is democracy.

tgregory: Voluntarily helping people on our own is compassion. Voting away other people's money to send it to a cause you personally support is being self-rightous.

Yeah, fark those self-righteous PRICKS who care about human life, educating our children, defending our country, maintaining the peace, or paving roads?

Why don't they think about people other than themselves?

tgregory: MrEricSir: Not allowing poor people to die in the streets of starvation and frostbite is CLASS WARFARE!

Voluntarily helping people on our own is compassion. Voting away other people's money to send it to a cause you personally support is being self-rightous.

Some feel that civilization is forcing everyone to effectively be a venture capitalist investor in everyone else. The poor tend to be unsanitary and sometimes suffer from communicable illnesses. I think of it a preventive protection money paid to keep anyone from going all "The Humungus" on them. The wealthy have seemed to have stopped paying around 1979.

tgregory: MrEricSir: Not allowing poor people to die in the streets of starvation and frostbite is CLASS WARFARE!

Voluntarily helping people on our own is compassion. Voting away other people's money to send it to a cause you personally support is being self-rightous.

You're right. Society as a whole agreeing to partial redistribution of wealth to help those less fortunate is a terrible concept and only worthy of scorn.

sheesh.

WhoIsNotInMyKitchen: tgregory: MrEricSir: Not allowing poor people to die in the streets of starvation and frostbite is CLASS WARFARE!

Voluntarily helping people on our own is compassion. Voting away other people's money to send it to a cause you personally support is being self-rightous.

You're right. Society as a whole agreeing to partial redistribution of wealth to help those less fortunate is a terrible concept and only worthy of scorn.

sheesh.

What is more admirable... A person who takes their own time and money to help others or a person who votes away money from others when the tax money is going to a cause they support?

It's terrible to rob from Peter to pay Paul. If you stand for something, stand for it. Don't vote it away like a coward.


MrEricSir: tgregory: Voluntarily helping people on our own is compassion. Voting away other people's money to send it to a cause you personally support is being self-rightous.

Yeah, fark those self-righteous PRICKS who care about human life, educating our children, defending our country, maintaining the peace, or paving roads?

Why don't they think about people other than themselves?

Use your own money. Start a charity. Why take from others to pay for a cause you personally believe in?

Do you believe your tax payer money should go towards faith-based programs?

winterwhile: dem-o-rats ask you to get in line behind the drunk and the druggie

/thread

No one can hope to follow such an insightful and intelligent comment.

tgregory: Use your own money. Start a charity. Why take from others to pay for a cause you personally believe in?

Oh, I see. You're one of those Tea Party trolls who thinks taxes are "stealing" and got an F in civics. I see you think you're entitled to have an opinion despite not understanding what you're talking about.

Thanks for playing, but it's time for you to complete your GED.

World Bank calls for safety net for poor people. Republicans call for lowering the net to the floor and installing steel spikes

Whereas the Democrats want to erect anti-globalization trade barriers and demand first-world working conditions, both of which end up closing the overseas businesses that employed them. They may be out of a job, but at least they're out of high-paying non-"sweatshop" jobs.

Subby? Grow up.

Reps would rather see everyone rich.

Dems would rather see everyone poor.

douchebag/hater: Subby? Grow up.

Reps would rather see everyone rich.

Dems would rather see everyone poor.

blaarrgghhllballls

douchebag/hater: Subby? Grow up.

Reps would rather see everyone rich.

Dems would rather see everyone poor.

Your name fits you well.

MrEricSir: Not allowing poor people to die in the streets of starvation and frostbite is CLASS WARFARE!

Hell no. We don't let them die in the streets.

We have alleys for that sort of thing.

WhoIsNotInMyKitchen: tgregory: MrEricSir: Not allowing poor people to die in the streets of starvation and frostbite is CLASS WARFARE!

Voluntarily helping people on our own is compassion. Voting away other people's money to send it to a cause you personally support is being self-rightous.

You're right. Society as a whole agreeing to partial redistribution of wealth to help those less fortunate is a terrible concept and only worthy of scorn.

sheesh.

Are we helping OWS kids that want healthcare and less student debt, or the actual poor that barely get enough food to survive?

marfar: Are we helping OWS kids that want healthcare and less student debt, or the actual poor that barely get enough food to survive?

In a surprising number of cases, the two are one and the same.

sinschild: MrEricSir: Not allowing poor people to die in the streets of starvation and frostbite is CLASS WARFARE!

Hell no. We don't let them die in the streets.

We have alleys for that sort of thing.

Plus think of all the thugs cops we will need to keep the dying 99 from soiling the view of the 1.

MrEricSir: Not allowing poor people to die in the streets of starvation and frostbite is CLASS WARFARE!

Feel free to invite them to live with you.

MrEricSir: tgregory: Use your own money. Start a charity. Why take from others to pay for a cause you personally believe in?

Oh, I see. You're one of those Tea Party trolls who thinks taxes are "stealing" and got an F in civics. I see you think you're entitled to have an opinion despite not understanding what you're talking about.

Thanks for playing, but it's time for you to complete your GED.

What a thoughtful and intelligent rebuttal.

DrPainMD: What a thoughtful and intelligent rebuttal.

Why should I respond with something "thoughtful" to someone who doesn't think in the first place?