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2011-10-26 08:18:43 AM
The question asks itself: why would you want to occupy Oakland in the first place?
 
2011-10-26 08:22:18 AM
begun, the class war has.
 
2011-10-26 08:24:57 AM
I am getting tired of hearing about the occupy this or that. I guarantee over half of the chuckleheads 'protesting' do not even have a single clue, as to what they are protesting.
 
2011-10-26 08:27:32 AM
Maybe if they'd been "occupying" a JOB SITE they wouldn't have gotten the gas.
 
2011-10-26 08:27:37 AM
Oblig.

i160.photobucket.com
 
2011-10-26 08:27:37 AM
Enthusiast: For all those who ever end up recording video for any occasion: A video camera is a device that records moving images. It's a camera. You point the camera at the subject you're taking pictures of.

Cut the guy some slack. He just got f*cking tear-gassed.
 
2011-10-26 08:32:00 AM
Tophersky: I am getting tired of hearing about the occupy this or that. I guarantee over half of the chuckleheads 'protesting' do not even have a single clue, as to what they are protesting.

Why don't you go to a local protest and find out. After all, that's why they are out in the streets, to give their grievances a voice. Go listen to what they have to say. Even if you don't agree at least you won't be talking out of your ass anymore.
 
2011-10-26 08:32:43 AM
shivashakti

Enthusiast: For all those who ever end up recording video for any occasion: A video camera is a device that records moving images. It's a camera. You point the camera at the subject you're taking pictures of.

Cut the guy some slack. He just got f*cking tear-gassed.



Like hell - if you are going to do it....do it right. What a waste of tape.
 
2011-10-26 08:41:02 AM
I went to the Occupy Atlanta protest yesterday.
It was like going to a church service of a denomination you're not familiar with and you don't know anybody.
 
2011-10-26 08:43:12 AM
I liked them better when they were called The Tea Party.
 
Bf+
2011-10-26 09:00:04 AM
These are peaceful protests.
Just wait until a child is hit with a 4:00am flashbang.
 
2011-10-26 09:06:25 AM
Liberals protest and they burn down the cities. Republicans protest and they leave the city cleaner then when they got there. I wonder which group is more civilized and responsible. Hmmm....this is so hard to figure out.
 
2011-10-26 09:09:30 AM
lordaction: I wonder which group is more civilized and responsible

You'd have to take your head out of your ass to answer that.
 
2011-10-26 09:10:10 AM
lordaction: Liberals protest and they burn down the cities. Republicans protest and they leave the city cleaner then when they got there. I wonder which group is more civilized and responsible. Hmmm....this is so hard to figure out.

you're either an f-ing idiot, or a 8/10 troll...
 
2011-10-26 09:11:09 AM
lordaction: Liberals protest and they burn down the cities. Republicans protest and they leave the city cleaner then when they got there. I wonder which group is more civilized and responsible. Hmmm....this is so hard to figure out.

ok, genius, tell us which cities have been burnt down and we MIGHT believe you.

Y'know, besides Atlanta more than a century ago.

or was that damned cow in chicago a librul?
 
2011-10-26 09:11:29 AM
lordaction Liberals protest and they burn down the cities. Republicans protest and they leave the city cleaner then when they got there. I wonder which group is more civilized and responsible. Hmmm....this is so hard to figure out.

This!

But the only part you forgot is that most news outlets will ignore the violent liberal protests and concentrate on the one scrap of paper left at the republican's rally.


/fair and balanced indeed
 
2011-10-26 09:16:14 AM
Perlin Noise: Tophersky: I am getting tired of hearing about the occupy this or that. I guarantee over half of the chuckleheads 'protesting' do not even have a single clue, as to what they are protesting.

Why don't you go to a local protest and find out. After all, that's why they are out in the streets, to give their grievances a voice. Go listen to what they have to say. Even if you don't agree at least you won't be talking out of your ass anymore.


Ahhh go on
 
2011-10-26 09:19:55 AM
Isn't it cute. One side of the people that got farked over are arguing with the other side of the people that got farked over. Keep it up, just don't start looking at the farkers.
 
2011-10-26 09:22:10 AM
shivashakti: Enthusiast: For all those who ever end up recording video for any occasion: A video camera is a device that records moving images. It's a camera. You point the camera at the subject you're taking pictures of.

Cut the guy some slack. He just got f*cking tear-gassed.


I've been tear gassed.. it's not that serious.
 
2011-10-26 09:22:18 AM
Does teargas work on zombies?
 
2011-10-26 09:24:57 AM
Tophersky: Ahhh go on

Not trying to be obtuse but I don't know what this means. I thought my point was rather clear, not sure what I should go on about.

If you think that I have a personal reason to protest, you are right. But there are so many damn things wrong that they will not match up to other peoples reasons. Is this a request to express why I feel a reason to protest?
 
2011-10-26 09:24:58 AM
Maybe it's about time we start walking like Egyptians...

Practical Protest Techniques Link (PDF)

Delia Smith's Basic Blockading Link (new window)

Shieldbook Link (new window)
 
2011-10-26 09:35:02 AM
I wonder how Democratic politicians are going to continue their narrative that they support OWS when the protesters were just cleared out of two cities run by Democratic mayors?

Oh and the police are denying they used flashbangs on the crowds. They claim it was fireworks thrown at police by protesters. You be the judge. Are the police full of it as usual?
 
2011-10-26 09:38:00 AM
Brubold: I wonder how Democratic politicians are going to continue their narrative that they support OWS when the protesters were just cleared out of two cities run by Democratic mayors?

Oh and the police are denying they used flashbangs on the crowds. They claim it was fireworks thrown at police by protesters. You be the judge. Are the police full of it as usual?


Bah, I screwed up the link. Let's try this again.
 
2011-10-26 09:45:46 AM
Perlin Noise: Tophersky: Ahhh go on

Not trying to be obtuse but I don't know what this means. I thought my point was rather clear, not sure what I should go on about.

If you think that I have a personal reason to protest, you are right. But there are so many damn things wrong that they will not match up to other peoples reasons. Is this a request to express why I feel a reason to protest?


OK first, why don't you untie the huge knot that you have in your panties, I never said you/anyone shouldn't be protesting. If you got something to biatch about, then by all means get out there and biatch. I simply said that I guarantee that half the people who ARE out there protesting, do not even know what it is they are protesting. It is obvious, that you clearly may have a real reason to be out there, so by all means, get off your ass and go protest. It is noted you may not be in the 'half' I was referring to. You can relax now.
 
2011-10-26 09:51:03 AM
No sympathy here for the "protesters" that got teargassed. One reason is because that's exactly what they want to happen. That way they have people's responses alternating between "How could they do that to those innocent people" and "The MAN is try to stifle them and their message". Guaranteed they're happy to be living martyrs, takin' one for the team.

Don't want to get teargassed? Conduct yourselves in a civil fashion.
 
2011-10-26 09:53:07 AM
Perlin Noise: you're either an f-ing idiot, or a 8/10 troll...

there's no difference between the two things.
 
2011-10-26 09:59:35 AM
To all those in the United States currently occupying parks, squares and other spaces, your comrades in Cairo are watching you in solidarity. Having received so much advice from you about transitioning to democracy, we thought it's our turn to pass on some advice.

Indeed, we are now in many ways involved in the same struggle. What most pundits call "The Arab Spring" has its roots in the demonstrations, riots, strikes and occupations taking place all around the world, its foundations lie in years-long struggles by people and popular movements. The moment that we find ourselves in is nothing new, as we in Egypt and others have been fighting against systems of repression, disenfranchisement and the unchecked ravages of global capitalism (yes, we said it, capitalism): a System that has made a world that is dangerous and cruel to its inhabitants. As the interests of government increasingly cater to the interests and comforts of private, transnational capital, our cities and homes have become progressively more abstract and violent places, subject to the casual ravages of the next economic development or urban renewal scheme.

An entire generation across the globe has grown up realizing, rationally and emotionally, that we have no future in the current order of things. Living under structural adjustment policies and the supposed expertise of international organizations like the World Bank and IMF, we watched as our resources, industries and public services were sold off and dismantled as the "free market" pushed an addiction to foreign goods, to foreign food even. The profits and benefits of those freed markets went elsewhere, while Egypt and other countries in the South found their immiseration reinforced by a massive increase in police repression and torture.

The current crisis in America and Western Europe has begun to bring this reality home to you as well: that as things stand we will all work ourselves raw, our backs broken by personal debt and public austerity. Not content with carving out the remnants of the public sphere and the welfare state, capitalism and the austerity-state now even attack the private realm and people's right to decent dwelling as thousands of foreclosed-upon homeowners find themselves both homeless and indebted to the banks who have forced them on to the streets.

So we stand with you not just in your attempts to bring down the old but to experiment with the new. We are not protesting. Who is there to protest to? What could we ask them for that they could grant? We are occupying. We are reclaiming those same spaces of public practice that have been commodified, privatized and locked into the hands of faceless bureaucracy , real estate portfolios, and police 'protection'. Hold on to these spaces, nurture them, and let the boundaries of your occupations grow. After all, who built these parks, these plazas, these buildings? Whose labor made them real and livable? Why should it seem so natural that they should be withheld from us, policed and disciplined? Reclaiming these spaces and managing them justly and collectively is proof enough of our legitimacy.

In our own occupations of Tahrir, we encountered people entering the Square every day in tears because it was the first time they had walked through those streets and spaces without being harassed by police; it is not just the ideas that are important, these spaces are fundamental to the possibility of a new world. These are public spaces. Spaces forgathering, leisure, meeting, and interacting - these spaces should be the reason we live in cities. Where the state and the interests of owners have made them inaccessible, exclusive or dangerous, it is up to us to make sure that they are safe, inclusive and just. We have and must continue to open them to anyone that wants to build a better world, particularly for the marginalized, excluded and for those groups who have suffered the worst .

What you do in these spaces is neither as grandiose and abstract nor as quotidian as "real democracy"; the nascent forms of praxis and social engagement being made in the occupations avoid the empty ideals and stale parliamentarianism that the term democracy has come to represent. And so the occupations must continue, because there is no one left to ask for reform. They must continue because we are creating what we can no longer wait for.

But the ideologies of property and propriety will manifest themselves again. Whether through the overt opposition of property owners or municipalities to your encampments or the more subtle attempts to control space through traffic regulations, anti-camping laws or health and safety rules. There is a direct conflict between what we seek to make of our cities and our spaces and what the law and the systems of policing standing behind it would have us do.

We faced such direct and indirect violence , and continue to face it . Those who said that the Egyptian revolution was peaceful did not see the horrors that police visited upon us, nor did they see the resistance and even force that revolutionaries used against the police to defend their tentative occupations and spaces: by the government's own admission; 99 police stations were put to the torch, thousands of police cars were destroyed, and all of the ruling party's offices around Egypt were burned down. Barricades were erected, officers were beaten back and pelted with rocks even as they fired tear gas and live ammunition on us. But at the end of the day on the 28 th of January they retreated, and we had won our cities.

It is not our desire to participate in violence, but it is even less our desire to lose. If we do not resist, actively, when they come to take what we have won back, then we will surely lose. Do not confuse the tactics that we used when we shouted "peaceful" with fetishizing nonviolence; if the state had given up immediately we would have been overjoyed, but as they sought to abuse us, beat us, kill us, we knew that there was no other option than to fight back. Had we laid down and allowed ourselves to be arrested, tortured, and martyred to "make a point", we would be no less bloodied, beaten and dead. Be prepared to defend these things you have occupied, that you are building, because, after everything else has been taken from us, these reclaimed spaces are so very precious.

By way of concluding then, our only real advice to you is to continue, keep going and do not stop. Occupy more, find each other, build larger and larger networks and keep discovering new ways to experiment with social life, consensus, and democracy. Discover new ways to use these spaces, discover new ways to hold on to them and never givethem up again. Resist fiercely when you are under attack, but otherwise take pleasure in what you are doing, let it be easy, fun even. We are all watching one another now, and from Cairo we want to say that we are in solidarity with you, and we love you all for what you are doing.

Comrades from Cairo.
24th of October, 2011.
 
2011-10-26 10:02:50 AM
Observatory

To all those in the United States currently occupying parks, squares and other spaces, your comrades in Cairo are bla, bla, bla....



Sorry, but with my short attention span - that is as far as I got.....but I bet it was very important.
 
2011-10-26 10:04:15 AM
These farking morons don't even know what they're protesting. All they know is that they are poor and don't want to work to change that situation. Fark 'em. Gas the shiat out of them.
 
2011-10-26 10:06:00 AM
Ahh, it's always something to see when some peasants in a dictatorship in some second or third world shiathole stage peaceful protest and then the ruling class whoops their asses.
 
2011-10-26 10:09:26 AM
Quit your whining about a little CS in an open air area.

Sincerly,
Everyone who has ever been to a military boot camp.

3.bp.blogspot.com

/Sir, Private LesserEvil, Platoon 2057, Sir!
//Did not leave until they saw the whites of every recruit's eyes.
 
2011-10-26 10:09:45 AM
It's early morning in the Western hemisphere and already the trolls are awake, peeking out from under the bridges, ready to shiat upon a new day.
 
2011-10-26 10:10:26 AM
karnal: Observatory

To all those in the United States currently occupying parks, squares and other spaces, your comrades in Cairo are bla, bla, bla....


Sorry, but with my short attention span - that is as far as I got.....but I bet it was very important.


yep, you need short talking points and sloganeering repeated over and over to appeal to a "conservative".
 
2011-10-26 10:13:38 AM
I'm really happy the 2nd amendment anti-government tyranny crowd is out in force to cheer teargassing protesters again.

Show us who you really are.
 
2011-10-26 10:13:58 AM
Headso

karnal: Observatory

To all those in the United States currently occupying parks, squares and other spaces, your comrades in Cairo are bla, bla, bla....


Sorry, but with my short attention span - that is as far as I got.....but I bet it was very important.

yep, you need short talking points and sloganeering repeated over and over to appeal to a "conservative".


....and pictures of boobies.
 
2011-10-26 10:14:18 AM
LesserEvil: Quit your whining about a little CS in an open air area.

Sincerly,
Everyone who has ever been to a military boot camp.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 563x382]

/Sir, Private LesserEvil, Platoon 2057, Sir!
//Did not leave until they saw the whites of every recruit's eyes.

Sir, recruit nukeim, platoon 1056, Senior Drill Instructor Staff Sgt. Patrick! OOORAAAH!


*exits

*watches 3" column of snot going from mouth to feet in it's marvelous glory and thinks of times he could have used 4 pounds of snot
 
2011-10-26 10:14:31 AM
karnal: Observatory

To all those in the United States currently occupying parks, squares and other spaces, your comrades in Cairo are bla, bla, bla....


Sorry, but with my short attention span - that is as far as I got.....but I bet it was very important.


It was very informative and well written. It also talked about freedom and rights and that there is no such thing as rape in his culture cause women are property and that he had that going for him, which was nice.
 
2011-10-26 10:17:42 AM
Tophersky: You can relax now.

Not really stressed out, but thanks. All I am saying is that I think you should go find out if your guarantee holds any water, because I don't think it does. That's not to say there are not people in the streets that don't know crap. From what I have seen the percent is a great deal lower than half. Although, I admit, I am in a college town so I too may be full of it. At least they are not that way around here.

Also, I would consider it a good thing if ignorant people get involved so they can learn what its about. That can only bring strength to many of the just causes (as well as the few crazy ones I guess).

I'm really just happy that at least there is finally a forum for these concerns. Before it always seemed like BS. But I am a progressive so there is that...
 
2011-10-26 10:18:17 AM
Giltric

karnal: Observatory

To all those in the United States currently occupying parks, squares and other spaces, your comrades in Cairo are bla, bla, bla....


Sorry, but with my short attention span - that is as far as I got.....but I bet it was very important.

It was very informative and well written. It also talked about freedom and rights and that there is no such thing as rape in his culture cause women are property and that he had that going for him, which was nice.


Wow - I almost wish I had read it. Almost.
 
2011-10-26 10:22:43 AM
nukeim: LesserEvil: Quit your whining about a little CS in an open air area.

Sincerly,
Everyone who has ever been to a military boot camp.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 563x382]

/Sir, Private LesserEvil, Platoon 2057, Sir!
//Did not leave until they saw the whites of every recruit's eyes.

Sir, recruit nukeim, platoon 1056, Senior Drill Instructor Staff Sgt. Patrick! OOORAAAH!

*exits

*watches 3" column of snot going from mouth to feet in it's marvelous glory and thinks of times he could have used 4 pounds of snot


...and lucky me, stationed 6 miles from Parris Island when I went through NCO School, getting to have all that fun again on a Recruit Depot, including another run through the "Boot Camp" style gas chamber.

Non-military Farkers will see that photo and not realize that for most of us, the CS was so thick that you couldn't see all the way across the room.

As for the snot... yeah, hard to believe the body can produce that much of it in one shot.
 
2011-10-26 10:36:28 AM
LesserEvil: nukeim: LesserEvil: Quit your whining about a little CS in an open air area.

Sincerly,
Everyone who has ever been to a military boot camp.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 563x382]

/Sir, Private LesserEvil, Platoon 2057, Sir!
//Did not leave until they saw the whites of every recruit's eyes.

Sir, recruit nukeim, platoon 1056, Senior Drill Instructor Staff Sgt. Patrick! OOORAAAH!

*exits

*watches 3" column of snot going from mouth to feet in it's marvelous glory and thinks of times he could have used 4 pounds of snot

...and lucky me, stationed 6 miles from Parris Island when I went through NCO School, getting to have all that fun again on a Recruit Depot, including another run through the "Boot Camp" style gas chamber.

Non-military Farkers will see that photo and not realize that for most of us, the CS was so thick that you couldn't see all the way across the room.

As for the snot... yeah, hard to believe the body can produce that much of it in one shot.



Boot camp was nothing. We got gassed at 29 palms by mistake...After they had taken away our old (MCU2P??) gas masks and BEFORE they had issued the new ones. They were supposed to gas the grunts 20 miles away. That shiat was 10 times worse than boot camp.

At least it got us out of the field for two days (been there for a month) for showers and hot meals!
 
2011-10-26 10:38:12 AM
Tophersky: I simply said that I guarantee that half the people who ARE out there protesting, do not even know what it is they are protesting.

You sound like a farkin idiot when you guarantee something that you have no experience or knowledge of.
 
2011-10-26 11:03:50 AM
So, I wonder if an order to disperse was given before the tear gas came in to play...
 
2011-10-26 11:04:51 AM
Rev. Skarekroe: I went to the Occupy Atlanta protest yesterday.
It was like going to a church service of a denomination you're not familiar with and you don't know anybody.


Did they offer any Kool-Aid? (c;
 
2011-10-26 11:37:09 AM
-Sent from my iPhone

/Also, aren't the police part of "The 99%" as well, or did Oakland go full retard and call up the ultra-elite super rich members of "The 1% Riot Squad"?
 
2011-10-26 11:41:25 AM
Tophersky: I simply said that I guarantee that half the people who ARE out there protesting, do not even know what it is they are protesting.

Do it. Put up or shut up.
 
2011-10-26 11:42:02 AM
Old_Chief_Scott: So, I wonder if an order to disperse was given before the tear gas came in to play...

Pretty much this. There's plenty of cases where tear gas is appropriate. Video that was started after the tear gas was deployed doesn't tell us anything about whether or not it was appropriate in this circumstance.
 
2011-10-26 11:43:25 AM
Rich Cream: Tophersky: I simply said that I guarantee that half the people who ARE out there protesting, do not even know what it is they are protesting.

Do it. Put up or shut up.


What, you want a refund?
 
2011-10-26 11:44:32 AM
chrisco123: These farking morons don't even know what they're protesting. All they know is that they are poor and don't want to work to change that situation. Fark 'em. Gas the shiat out of them.
They are perfectly aware of what they're protesting. You're just a farking idiot who would rather sit by idly.

I cannot believe the amount of people on Fark who are completely okay with the state of the US government and the amount of influence the banks hold. I also cannot believe how many people are completely on board with the banks getting away with profiting billions of dollars by stealing from them, the existence of proof, and the zero arrests made.

You people are really okay with companies stealing from you? If I wear a company logo, do you mind if I break into your house and steal your shiat, then?

The protesters, people who are not okay with banks getting away with their crimes, are fighting against something that should have been broken years ago. For you, for themselves, and for the future of your country.

This will continue to grow exponentially, and the banks will resort to anything to stop it.

Eventually, it's going to lead to bloodshed. On both sides.
 
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