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(Some Guy) Stupid Warner Bros. to vault "Harry Potter" films. Apparently no one explained this whole "digital" thing to them   (ropeofsilicon.com) divider line 86
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2011-10-25 03:11:41 PM
Ah, the old "create a false sense of scarcity so the marks will buy the super mega special edition you're already working on for release in two years" bit.

Looks like other companies are learning from Disney.
 
2011-10-25 03:20:20 PM
It's ok, we have the book versions which were much better anyway.

/But isn't that usually the case?
 
2011-10-25 03:29:24 PM
FirstNationalBastard: Looks like other companies are learning from Disney.

I'm still waiting for the re-release of Song of the South.

/zippity-farkin-doo-dah
 
2011-10-25 03:43:58 PM
lohphat: I'm still waiting for the re-release of Song of the South.

/zippity-farkin-doo-dah


The really bad version. The one Walt would only show at parties.
 
2011-10-25 06:14:08 PM
lohphat: FirstNationalBastard: Looks like other companies are learning from Disney.

I'm still waiting for the re-release of Song of the South.

/zippity-farkin-doo-dah


There's always the ride.
 
2011-10-25 06:20:22 PM
"Warner Bros. to vault "Harry Potter" films...after re-releasing them all in 3D"

You know it's gonna happen..
 
2011-10-25 06:26:48 PM
scottydoesntknow: "Warner Bros. to vault "Harry Potter" films...after re-releasing them all in 3D"

You know it's gonna happen..


I can see it now. "Re-experience the magic in 3D!!!" will be the tagline.
 
2011-10-25 06:26:57 PM
FirstNationalBastard: Looks like other companies are learning from Disney.

I understand why Disney USED to do it. It cost too much for theatrical re-releases and they wanted to make sure each generation would see the films by creating faux excitement every seven years, It also made sense because most VHS tapes would be worn out by the time the next version arrived.

But this... this is idiotic. If I really wanted physical copies of the Potter films, I could get most of them from the nearest used bin for three or four bucks a pop. Maybe they'll become a little more scarce once this vaulting occurs, but I doubt copies will be going for astronomical prices on Ebay like they did when Disney temporarily shelved "Tron."

Honestly, though, I think it's time to start re-examining the idea of re-releases. With digital projection, it's far easier to get the product into a theatre. Just look at what Sony did with Ghostbusters - it's been playing Thursday nights for the last two weeks to pretty decent crowds (the nearby theatre reported about 80 people last Thursday - for a 26 year old movie that everyone has seen a thousand times!). Last summer I had one of the best theatrical experiences ever when I saw JAWS at a gorgeous theater in Atlanta (mind you that was a perfect 35mm print).

Or maybe that's WB's plan. In a few years they'll dump the Potter flicks back out (maybe with horrific 3D upgrades) into theatres and make an extra 75 million per movie.

Wait. That's like $600 million for the entire series.

Did I say this was idiotic? My mistake.
 
2011-10-25 06:30:43 PM
Was Harry Potter shot in digital or film? I ask because film to date is still some of the highest quality source one can use. And therefore, storing the originals make sense.

IMO, only a few major studios have switched to using 4k digital as their source recordings.
 
2011-10-25 06:32:18 PM
imgod2u: Was Harry Potter shot in digital or film? I ask because film to date is still some of the highest quality source one can use. And therefore, storing the originals make sense.

IMO, only a few major studios have switched to using 4k digital as their source recordings.


Film, but the point of the article wasn't that they're storing the negatives (which is perfectly sensible). This is about taking the DVDs off the market and "into the vault" like Disney does with their animated films.
 
2011-10-25 06:34:44 PM
Is this a marketing stunt for The Pirate Bay?
 
2011-10-25 06:36:19 PM
They'll re release in 20 years with updated FX, and a few minor changes. The quiddich match will have an additional 20 minutes, an alternate scene in which Cedric Diggory shoots first. Also, Harry's parents will be digitally replaced, as well as Vincent Crabe.
All leading up to the trilogy prequels "The Riddle Menace", "Attack of the Riddle", and "Revenge of the Riddle"
 
2011-10-25 06:38:56 PM
That there is funny, I don't care who you are
 
2011-10-25 06:39:55 PM
Meh... I'm waiting for the part 1 + part 2 of the last one to come out as a set and get it so to complete my DVD set.

This is the only DVD(s) that I actually planned to get in the last year as I get everything online now as I barely bother with the extras that disks offer as most extras can be found online (youtube) anyways.

And after finding out that Disney has a policy to release the BluRay copies a month before they release the DVD version to push people to switch over, they seriously lost me as I have no desire to be manipulated in this fashion.

Sure you can get the BluRay version that contains the DVD disk, but all the extras are on the BlueRay in such version... and as I have zero desire to buy a freaking BR player, they can shove it.

Great way to push people to go towards torrents,
 
2011-10-25 06:40:40 PM
If they were actually going to update the effects, especially on the older ones, I could understand it.

I doubt it, though. It's just to create a false demand. However, if you haven't bought the Potter movies yet and want to, be patient and wait for the uber-set that'll come out down the line. It's bound to be awesome.
 
2011-10-25 06:43:01 PM
Mulchpuppy: imgod2u: Was Harry Potter shot in digital or film? I ask because film to date is still some of the highest quality source one can use. And therefore, storing the originals make sense.

IMO, only a few major studios have switched to using 4k digital as their source recordings.

Film, but the point of the article wasn't that they're storing the negatives (which is perfectly sensible). This is about taking the DVDs off the market and "into the vault" like Disney does with their animated films.


Does this mean streaming services are SOL too? I've never been a Harry Potter fan but I can only see this escalading piracy.
 
2011-10-25 06:44:29 PM
To the torrents
 
2011-10-25 06:46:38 PM
Makh: lohphat: I'm still waiting for the re-release of Song of the South.

/zippity-farkin-doo-dah

The really bad version. The one Walt would only show at parties.


Nice. Loved that funhouse.
 
2011-10-25 06:46:51 PM
imgod2u: escalading piracy.

citation, please.
 
2011-10-25 06:47:51 PM
I tried to watch these flicks with my girlfriend this year and I swear to god, I was asleep by the hour mark in every single one. This coming from someone who can watch a Trakovsky marathon or Berlin Alexanderplatz straight thru.
 
2011-10-25 06:48:30 PM
raygundan: imgod2u: escalading piracy.

citation, please.


What part of "I can only see" suggests it's empirically historical?
 
2011-10-25 06:49:43 PM
Falco09: scottydoesntknow: "Warner Bros. to vault "Harry Potter" films...after re-releasing them all in 3D"

You know it's gonna happen..

I can see it now. "Re-experience the magic in 3D!!!" will be the tagline.


They'd be fools not to.

/sorry bit it's called "show business", not "show artistic integrity"
 
2011-10-25 06:53:05 PM
Mulchpuppy: Last summer I had one of the best theatrical experiences ever when I saw JAWS at a gorgeous theater in Atlanta (mind you that was a perfect 35mm print).

Holy shiat dude, I would give my middle nut to see that. I saw it in a re-release when I was 3 but I don't remember it.
 
2011-10-25 06:53:08 PM
ongbok: To the torrents

Why?

Do you think WB is going to get a court order to pull every copy from used movie stores, shut down sales from third party sellers on Amazon and ebay, and make sure that if a copy of Harry Potter is no longer wanted by someone, it will have to be destroyed?

These aren't some obscure or low printed movies we're talking about. It isn't like the Criterion collection Spinal Tap or Straw Dogs discs, or the original release of Swamp Thing where the European cut was accidentally used and we got more Adrienne Barboobage than was meant to be released. It's Harry farking Potter. There will be plenty of copies out there to be had for pennies until the big rerelease comes up in a couple years.
 
2011-10-25 06:56:19 PM
Mugato: Falco09: scottydoesntknow: "Warner Bros. to vault "Harry Potter" films...after re-releasing them all in 3D"

You know it's gonna happen..

I can see it now. "Re-experience the magic in 3D!!!" will be the tagline.

They'd be fools not to.

/sorry bit it's called "show business", not "show artistic integrity"


Well then. That excuses everything.
 
2011-10-25 06:57:08 PM
Mulchpuppy
If I really wanted physical copies of the Potter films, I could get most of them from the nearest used bin for three or four bucks a pop.

You can even get them new for three or four (Euro-)bucks a pop.

I once pointed out to a friend who wanted to rent one of them that she could actually buy that movie for the same price her video store would charge her if she kept the rented disc over night.
 
2011-10-25 06:58:48 PM
FirstNationalBastard: the original release of Swamp Thing where the European cut was accidentally used and we got more Adrienne Barboobage than was meant to be released.

Wait, what?

To the torrents
 
2011-10-25 07:04:45 PM
FirstNationalBastard: ongbok: To the torrents

Why?

Do you think WB is going to get a court order to pull every copy from used movie stores, shut down sales from third party sellers on Amazon and ebay, and make sure that if a copy of Harry Potter is no longer wanted by someone, it will have to be destroyed?

These aren't some obscure or low printed movies we're talking about. It isn't like the Criterion collection Spinal Tap or Straw Dogs discs, or the original release of Swamp Thing where the European cut was accidentally used and we got more Adrienne Barboobage than was meant to be released. It's Harry farking Potter. There will be plenty of copies out there to be had for pennies until the big rerelease comes up in a couple years.


You don't think that they won't attempt to buy up most of the copies that are out there to try to create a scarcity so when they are ready to do a super hyped special theatrical re-release of all of the movies and sell new boxsets, there will be a demand? I was just pointing out that Hollywood's old formula of doing this won't work as well anymore since torrents are easily available.
 
2011-10-25 07:17:32 PM
ongbok: FirstNationalBastard: ongbok: To the torrents

Why?

Do you think WB is going to get a court order to pull every copy from used movie stores, shut down sales from third party sellers on Amazon and ebay, and make sure that if a copy of Harry Potter is no longer wanted by someone, it will have to be destroyed?

These aren't some obscure or low printed movies we're talking about. It isn't like the Criterion collection Spinal Tap or Straw Dogs discs, or the original release of Swamp Thing where the European cut was accidentally used and we got more Adrienne Barboobage than was meant to be released. It's Harry farking Potter. There will be plenty of copies out there to be had for pennies until the big rerelease comes up in a couple years.

You don't think that they won't attempt to buy up most of the copies that are out there to try to create a scarcity so when they are ready to do a super hyped special theatrical re-release of all of the movies and sell new boxsets, there will be a demand? I was just pointing out that Hollywood's old formula of doing this won't work as well anymore since torrents are easily available.


It's possible they could, but it seems like an expense they don't need just to create a bullshiat scarcity, especially when you consider that major hyped rereleases usually make money no matter what. People always go for the newest, "best" copy.

But you're completely right that if the movies do become scarce, there's always the torrents.

And speaking of...

Mulchpuppy: FirstNationalBastard: the original release of Swamp Thing where the European cut was accidentally used and we got more Adrienne Barboobage than was meant to be released.

Wait, what?

To the torrents


The original DVD release of Swamp Thing "accidentally" had a 30 second Adrienne Barbeau nude scene restored to it that had been cut from the US version of the film.

Naturally, MGM let that version go OOP, and when they rerereleased the film on DVD, the Barboobs were gone.

Actually, the Barboobs version is going for about 15 bucks on Amazon now, so the price has come down. Of course, you can't always trust 3rd party sellers, especially if they don't explicitly state which version they're selling. It could just be some jerk-off selling the common version for an inflated price.

So, TO THE TORRENTS!

And for anyone interested in trying to find the DVD on ebay, or just trying to run across it somewhere in a pawn shop or video store or something, you're looking for the version with this cover.

www.swampthingroots.com
 
2011-10-25 07:20:51 PM
imgod2u: escalading piracy.


damn SUV drivers
 
2011-10-25 07:21:49 PM
raygundan: imgod2u: escalading piracy.

citation, please.


Well right now they're at Navigator level...
 
2011-10-25 07:23:30 PM
Also, I'd like to check out Emma Watson's vault, if you know what I mean.
 
2011-10-25 07:24:17 PM
raygundan: imgod2u: escalading piracy.

General Motors is not going to like this. Not one bit.
 
2011-10-25 07:25:44 PM
imfallen_angel: Meh... I'm waiting for the part 1 + part 2 of the last one to come out as a set and get it so to complete my DVD set.

This is the only DVD(s) that I actually planned to get in the last year as I get everything online now as I barely bother with the extras that disks offer as most extras can be found online (youtube) anyways.

And after finding out that Disney has a policy to release the BluRay copies a month before they release the DVD version to push people to switch over, they seriously lost me as I have no desire to be manipulated in this fashion.

Sure you can get the BluRay version that contains the DVD disk, but all the extras are on the BlueRay in such version... and as I have zero desire to buy a freaking BR player, they can shove it.

Great way to push people to go towards torrents,



Why the Blu-Ray hate? Unless you are watching on an small, crappy SDTV, it is a small investment for pretty substantial increase in audio and video quality. I'm to the point where it is almost painful to watch DVDs on my HDTV now because I've gotten so used to how nice the Blu-Rays look.

It's not even that expensive anymore. Even brand name players are at the sub-$100 price point now, and most of them will serve double duty as streaming devices for Netflix and other video services. The movies themselves really don't carry much of a premium, either (Beauty and the Beast is $23 at Amazon for the 3 disc BR/DVD combo pack, while the DVD version is $17, for example). For something like Bridesmaids, I can see where it is not worth the money to pay extra for Blu-Ray, but for something like the Lion King or Toy Story 3, you can really see the extra resolution and more vibrant colors in the Blu-Ray video. I can understand holding off when it was expensive as hell to buy the players and the movies, but there really isn't a lot of added cost these days.
 
2011-10-25 07:27:30 PM
ongbok: raygundan: imgod2u: escalading piracy.

General Motors is not going to like this. Not one bit.


You wouldn't download a car!
 
2011-10-25 07:28:43 PM
Car_Ramrod: raygundan: imgod2u: escalading piracy.

citation, please.

Well right now they're at Navigator level...


It's about time someone did their civic duty here. It bugs me when my jokes fall fIat.
 
2011-10-25 07:29:27 PM
I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, FirstNationalBastard. When you say the boobage is gone in the current version of Swamp Thing, are you saying there's NO boobage at all? I would swear I remember seeing the naked bits when I saw Swamp Thing on cable as a child. Of course, the cable stations back then weren't always consistent with their content (I think they occasionally would mess up and show the more violent cut of Blade Runner as well), so it's entirely possible they had the wrong version.

Or I'm just confusing it with the boobage in Beastmaster and WHERE THE FARK IS THAT DVD?

My first greenlight in ages and I'm derailing it talking about boobs.
 
2011-10-25 07:32:45 PM
ongbok: To the torrents

Yeah, I was going to get the 8 disc set. I like the series an want it in Blu-ray, but if they're only going to ship it FOR A MONTH AND A HALF the odds of me getting it for myself during that time frame (when I'm usually focused on other people's presents) are slim and it'll be gone.

So yeah, I'll probably have to result to torrents to get good hD versions.

/I hate vaulting. It had it's time but is just ridiculous nowadays.
 
2011-10-25 07:37:41 PM
Makh: It's ok, we have the book versions which were much better anyway.

/But isn't that usually the case?


This thread is done.
 
2011-10-25 07:37:44 PM
FirstNationalBastard: ongbok: raygundan: imgod2u: escalading piracy.

General Motors is not going to like this. Not one bit.

You wouldn't download a car!


I would if I could!
 
2011-10-25 07:39:30 PM
Makh: It's ok, we have the book versions which were much better anyway.

/But isn't that usually the case?


Jaws.
 
2011-10-25 07:39:52 PM
megalynn44: Makh: It's ok, we have the book versions which were much better anyway.

/But isn't that usually the case?

This thread is done.


Reopening for further discussion on Adrienne Barbeau boobage.
 
2011-10-25 07:40:54 PM
Mugato: Makh: It's ok, we have the book versions which were much better anyway.

/But isn't that usually the case?

Jaws.


Ten Commandments.
 
2011-10-25 07:54:38 PM
Mad_Radhu: Why the Blu-Ray hate? Unless you are watching on an small, crappy SDTV, it is a small investment for pretty substantial increase in audio and video quality. I'm to the point where it is almost painful to watch DVDs on my HDTV now because I've gotten so used to how nice the Blu-Rays look.

No disrespect, but it's 'cause I ain't retarded to waste my money on it.

I have a media center system and get just about everything I want online. As in my post, the only disk I am planning to buy this year, so to have the extras is the Harry Potter as I already have the rest and would like to finish my "set".

BR is a "flash in the pants" format, and does not make that much of a difference with a decent system (upscaling). My collection is way too big to care to switch, nor do I have a ridiculously large TV.

In the end, it's entertainment, and me (and the family) love our TV shows and movies, but we simply don't have a stick up our butts about having to see the actors pores and such.

I've tested a few HD movies against upscaled DVD and the difference just wasn't as mind blowing as it appears to be for you. Sitting at normal TV distance, we couldn't barely see any difference that was worth even mentioning. And not worth the triple file size.

A few movies I'd get HD due to the details that might show more, but overall, it's nothing that I consider worth it.

BR will die fairly fast as streaming and downloading is becoming the norm... just like it did for music.
 
2011-10-25 08:02:22 PM
imfallen_angel: BR will die fairly fast as streaming and downloading is becoming the norm... just like it did for music.

I'll always want to have a physical media collection of movies. Being a movie geek who never learned to read, it's what I have instead of a book library. But I agree that the difference isn't worth replacing all my DVDs. Star Wars, sure. Caddyshack, nah. It's not like the VHS to DVD switch.
 
2011-10-25 08:05:18 PM
Mulchpuppy: I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, FirstNationalBastard. When you say the boobage is gone in the current version of Swamp Thing, are you saying there's NO boobage at all? I would swear I remember seeing the naked bits when I saw Swamp Thing on cable as a child. Of course, the cable stations back then weren't always consistent with their content (I think they occasionally would mess up and show the more violent cut of Blade Runner as well), so it's entirely possible they had the wrong version.

Or I'm just confusing it with the boobage in Beastmaster and WHERE THE FARK IS THAT DVD?

My first greenlight in ages and I'm derailing it talking about boobs.


I don't know what the current version is like.

But there's one specific scene with Adrienne Barbeau skinny dipping that isn't in the current DVD version, and was seemingly only in the European version of the film which was mistakenly used for the original DVD release.

Whether there are other boobs, or if cable used a different version, I couldn't tell you.

/boobs are never considered to be derailing a conversation.
 
2011-10-25 08:44:31 PM
Mugato: imfallen_angel: BR will die fairly fast as streaming and downloading is becoming the norm... just like it did for music.

I'll always want to have a physical media collection of movies. Being a movie geek who never learned to read, it's what I have instead of a book library. But I agree that the difference isn't worth replacing all my DVDs. Star Wars, sure. Caddyshack, nah. It's not like the VHS to DVD switch.



I used to think that way too (having physical media)... and my walls all around me are a testament to that (I have over 3000 DVDs, not counting the TV series box sets).

Then I ripped everything to hard drives and I've never looked back.

The kids are using the DVDs to watch in their rooms as they have the old TVs and DVD players, but overall, I could easily fix a few more computers up to stream from the central hard drives boxes (which I already did in my bedroom) and be done with using any of the DVDs.

My collection is over 5000 movies I believe (or getting darn close) and over 150 TV shows, and I have everything on a 16TB system, with a duplicate for backup.

At this point, it's more nostalgia and the fact that I spend thousands on these DVDs that has prevented me to box them up, and the several bookshelves kinda look nice like this. But I've been trying to push towards moving them elsewhere so to use the space for better things.

Since I ripped the DVDs as they are, I lose nothing, and if anything, I gain a lot more.

1) no more shuffling disks around.

2) instant access to everything

3) no worries about lost or misplaced or damaged disks

4) instant flipping to next movie or episode

5) search for similar movie or other movies by actor, director, etc.

6) sort in just about any fashion instantly

7) customizable images, text, etc.

etc.
 
2011-10-25 09:09:12 PM
lohphat: FirstNationalBastard: Looks like other companies are learning from Disney.

I'm still waiting for the re-release of Song of the South.

/zippity-farkin-doo-dah


I'm waiting for "The Day the Clown Cried." There better be a line in Lewis' will authorizing the release.
 
2011-10-25 09:31:31 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: lohphat: FirstNationalBastard: Looks like other companies are learning from Disney.

I'm still waiting for the re-release of Song of the South.

/zippity-farkin-doo-dah

I'm waiting for "The Day the Clown Cried." There better be a line in Lewis' will authorizing the release.


We are gonna need Geraldo Rivera to break into his vault after he dies. I really hope they do release it eventually.
 
2011-10-25 09:47:07 PM
Ravijn: Prank Call of Cthulhu: lohphat: FirstNationalBastard: Looks like other companies are learning from Disney.

I'm still waiting for the re-release of Song of the South.

/zippity-farkin-doo-dah

I'm waiting for "The Day the Clown Cried." There better be a line in Lewis' will authorizing the release.

We are gonna need Geraldo Rivera to break into his vault after he dies. I really hope they do release it eventually.


I hope he's buried with the only copy.
 
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