vernonFL: [brightcove.vo.llnwd.net image 480x360]

I don't care about that.

You got a new fool
I like it like that
I have only one burning desire
Let me stand next to your fire

Subby:Rick Perry doesn't care about rich people; replied "I don't care about that." when asked about why his new flat tax plan essentially being a giveaway to the uber-wealthy

Doesn't that mean he doesn't care about poor people? Substitute "that" with the actual object: "I don't care about my new flat tax plan essentially being a giveaway to the uber-wealthy".

There, now that's the Rick Perry we all know and love!

"But what do I say if they ask me a question you haven't told me the answer to?"
"Just say 'I don't care about that.'"

AdolfOliverPanties:
Major tax breaks have been given to the so-called job creators and they pocketed the money and if any jobs were created, they were created overseas at slave labor wages.

This is exactly the thought that runs screaming through my head everytime I hear that abomination of a phrase "job creators".

Am I the only one who fantasizes about Rick Perry going hunting with Dick Cheney? If you get my drift?

How on earth could anyone be so stupid as to suggest such a transparently obvious tax cut for the rich?

MassD: This is exactly the thought that runs screaming through my head everytime I hear that abomination of a phrase "job creators".

Anothe Farker used the term "Job Creationism" to describe that particular ideology. I think it's perfect.

Dubai Vol: How on earth could anyone be so stupid as to suggest such a transparently obvious tax cut for the rich?

It's not a tax cut for the rich - it's a FLAT TAX, get it? Everyone pays the same amount, even the 47% WHO CURRENTLY PAY NOTHING and therefore it is FAIR AND BALANCED.

Are these dogwhistles falling on deaf ears, or what?

Lionel Mandrake: Is that a "drop" from the effective 0% many of the biggest pay now?

No mention of investment income or capitol gains. That's where the top really get their cake from. Which is why I laugh when you see some twit CEO boast about how his salary is $1 and fails to mention the bucket loads of cash made in supplementary income.

I have yet to see a Republican tax plan that ISN'T a royal FU to anyone outside the top tiers.

clambam: "But what do I say if they ask me a question you haven't told me the answer to?"
"Just say 'I don't care about that.'"

.... or:

"I don't know the answer to that sh*t! KEEPIN' IT REAL!!!"

Perry likes keeping it real......... REAL DUMB!

MassD: Lionel Mandrake: Is that a "drop" from the effective 0% many of the biggest pay now?

No mention of investment income or capitol gains. That's where the top really get their cake from. Which is why I laugh when you see some twit CEO boast about how his salary is $1 and fails to mention the bucket loads of cash made in supplementary income.

Oh no, those are mentioned:

His plan also drops the corporate tax rate to 20 percent, and eliminates taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains.

That's right. It eliminates capital gains altogether.

Joliet_Jake: That's right. It eliminates capital gains altogether.

It eliminates capital gains.

The only thing stupider than this would be if he eliminated short term capital gains as well.

Whenever I see Rick Perry the first thing that I think of is that he is an impersonator doing a shlocky impersonation of Josh Brolin doing poor characterization of George W. Bush.

ROBO-Jesus: Dubai Vol: How on earth could anyone be so stupid as to suggest such a transparently obvious tax cut for the rich?

It's not a tax cut for the rich - it's a FLAT TAX, get it? Everyone pays the same amount, even the 47% WHO CURRENTLY PAY NOTHING and therefore it is FAIR AND BALANCED.

Are these dogwhistles falling on deaf ears, or what?

47% is a myth.

keylock71: sweetmelissa31: Back in 1996, Romney criticized Forbes' flat tax plan as a "tax cut for fat cats." Perry said if Romney renews that criticism, "he ought to look in the mirror, I guess. I consider him to be a fat cat."

Rich boy fight!

Heh...

That made me think of The Upper Crust.

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LOVE that band!

Joliet_Jake:
That's right. It eliminates capital gains altogether.

Holy crap.. I didn't see that bit. Words can not describe.......

I'm sure if we keep delivering dump trucks full of money to the 1%, they'll make a whole mess of new jobs any day now.

Yep, any day.

Cuz they have so much to invest, right? That's all it takes, money to invest. Demand isn't at all important.

Any day now....

Wait, I thought it was good to have the rich fat cats pay at least the same as their secretaries.

deadcrickets:
47% is a myth.

Doesn't matter if its a myth or not. There is a substantial segment of the population that pays little to no income tax. And that isn't because they have some really slick tax lawyers on retainer or some kick ass accounts in the Caymans. They aren't paying much because they ain't got a pot to piss in.

But hell yeah... let's shake down the poor. THAT'S where the money is.. F yeah

Woah now, what's this talk about fat cats? I believe the appropriate term is "job creators."

FTFA: Perry's plan sets a flat 20 percent income tax rate, but also gives taxpayers the option of sticking with their current rate.

Wut

Joliet_Jake: MassD: Lionel Mandrake: Is that a "drop" from the effective 0% many of the biggest pay now?

No mention of investment income or capitol gains. That's where the top really get their cake from. Which is why I laugh when you see some twit CEO boast about how his salary is $1 and fails to mention the bucket loads of cash made in supplementary income.

Oh no, those are mentioned:

His plan also drops the corporate tax rate to 20 percent, and eliminates taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains.

That's right. It eliminates capital gains altogether.

Awesome. I'm going to incorporate myself, start getting 1099's from my employer for 5% of my former salary, then on a quarterly basis sell one percent of the stock in my corporation to my employer. That way, its a stock sale, so I don't pay capital gains. Could use some tweaking, but you know....play the people-with-assets-game.

/waiting for IRS to come a knockin

hawcian: FTFA: Perry's plan sets a flat 20 percent income tax rate, but also gives taxpayers the option of sticking with their current rate.

Wut

This. Optional taxation FTW!

_{/ FTW = "fark This, We're officially third-world now yay!"}

hawcian: FTFA: Perry's plan sets a flat 20 percent income tax rate, but also gives taxpayers the option of sticking with their current rate.

Wut

You see, unlike Herman Cain, he doesn't want to finance tax cuts for the rich by raising taxes on the poor. Instead he wants to follow the Bush model of unfunded tax cuts for the rich.

MassD: deadcrickets:
47% is a myth.

Doesn't matter if its a myth or not. There is a substantial segment of the population that pays little to no income tax. And that isn't because they have some really slick tax lawyers on retainer or some kick ass accounts in the Caymans. They aren't paying much because they ain't got a pot to piss in.

But hell yeah... let's shake down the poor. THAT'S where the money is.. F yeah47% is a myth.

Doesn't matter if its a myth or not. There is a substantial segment of the population that pays little to no income tax. And that isn't because they have some really slick tax lawyers on retainer or some kick ass accounts in the Caymans. They aren't paying much because they ain't got a pot to piss in.

But hell yeah... let's shake down the poor. THAT'S where the money is.. F yeah/i>

/i>

Does matter as it's incorrect. If you are talking about FEDERAL taxes then a large number of Americans including some Fortune 500 companies and a few of the super rich pay none. But don't forget other taxes such as payroll, income, excise, capital gains, etc.

Dubai Vol: How on earth could anyone be so stupid as to suggest such a transparently obvious tax cut for the rich?

Because the people they suggest it to are dumb enough to believe it.

A coworker of mine is against the Buffet rule because "buffet would only be for it if it gave him a way to pay even less in taxes" but he is for the flat tax because "I just think everyone should pay the same amount" and neither of those two statements conflicts with his firm belief that the 9-9-9 tax uses free market principles to improve our economy and lower strangling regulations on businesses.

Everyone dumb enough to like Perry at this point is being motivated to pay just enough attention to get out there and vote, as well as voice their opinions in their ignorant talking point way to all the apathetic voters they know. Since they are apathetic they don't fact check any of it nor are they interested in learning the first thing about economics, that when people like me, or Obama, or Biden, or anyone else try to tell them anything about the opposing view, they don't really listen. Best case scenario they assume the truth lies in the middle (I mean that as the best thing these farking retards could conclude given the assumption they won't do any real thinking), and worst case they fall back on fun terms like flat, fair, 999's catchyness, job creators, etc and look at me like some smug colonel sanders assaulting their mom's belief that alligators need a toothbrush. And why wouldn't they conclude that? Alligators DO have a lot of teeth, and they know brushing is good, so its perfectly logical to make the assumption...

Meanwhile the crazies have a different effect on other independents and moderate conservatives: making someone like Romney seem absolutely reasonable. There is so much garbage being spewed by everyone: the shiat perry/bachman/xxx says, and the unfortunate necessity to spend/waste excessive time debunking it, that very few people will ever even be exposed to any truths about Romney.

A little ignorance goes a long way. The eyes of the average person I know gloss over the second I use things like "if...then.." or "at the margin".


/can you tell I'm increasingly frustrated?

MassD: deadcrickets:
47% is a myth.

Doesn't matter if its a myth or not. There is a substantial segment of the population that pays little to no income tax. And that isn't because they have some really slick tax lawyers on retainer or some kick ass accounts in the Caymans. They aren't paying much because they ain't got a pot to piss in.

But hell yeah... let's shake down the poor. THAT'S where the money is.. F yeah

You realize it was the brokered welfare-reform policies of the Gingrich-Clinton years which created the 47%, right? They converted public assistance programs to tax credits. This was a Republican idea.

Under a flat tax plan, the people who are not paying taxes now would still not be taxed.

Im not for a flat tax but lying about it only makes you look stupid and uninformed.

After accounting for deductions, the income tax most people now pay on their adjusted gross taxable income is less than 20% of their gross income. So this would basically be a tax cut for the wealthy and if you have to pay 20% and not the lower of 20% or present taxes it would be an increase for most people. It might also require the government to either drastically cut spending or find other ways to raise revenue like through a VAT.

runwiz: After accounting for deductions, the income tax most people now pay on their adjusted gross taxable income is less than 20% of their gross income. So this would basically be a tax cut for the wealthy and if you have to pay 20% and not the lower of 20% or present taxes it would be an increase for most people. It might also require the government to either drastically cut spending or find other ways to raise revenue like through a VAT.

You're saying this is a Republican plan to surreptitiously require the cutting of popular government programs? Why, that's just ridiculous!

vernonFL: [brightcove.vo.llnwd.net image 480x360]

I don't care about that.

I wanted to say that it's too bad he doesn't look just like Buddy Holly.

I think I'm counted as one of those who 'doesn't pay taxes' because I get most/all of it back when I file. So, technically I paid net zero taxes after the refund check, but I gave the government an interest free loan all year under the pretense of taxes owed. Is it true that I would be counted as one of those who 'don't pay taxes'?

If so, then that argument that almost half pay no taxes is specious at best, disingenious at worst.

Boxcutta: Joliet_Jake: That's right. It eliminates capital gains altogether.

It eliminates capital gains.

I eliminates capital gains.

bah. They all pale in comparison to my "pi / e / Planck's Constant" tax plan.

child_god: I think I'm counted as one of those who 'doesn't pay taxes' because I get most/all of it back when I file. So, technically I paid net zero taxes after the refund check, but I gave the government an interest free loan all year under the pretense of taxes owed. Is it true that I would be counted as one of those who 'don't pay taxes'?

If so, then that argument that almost half pay no taxes is specious at best, disingenious at worst.

Yes to both.