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(Some Guy) Florida Teacher could face thousands of dollars in fines for helping students register to vote. Wait, what?   (thepoliticalcarnival.net) divider line 126
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2011-10-25 12:58:00 PM
ACORN SOROS SEIU THUGZZZ BLAAAAARRRGGFLLL
 
2011-10-25 12:59:23 PM
The South: where Jim Crow laws are making a comeback.
 
2011-10-25 12:59:50 PM
This is why I love the ACLU.

Their voter rights pamphlet for my state got *heavy* use when I did election work. Came in real handy when a handicapped guy who lived across the street wheeled himself in so we could help him with the absentee form, and then later to help him fill out the ballot. Had to make sure I followed everything to-the-goddamn-letter on the off chance someone had paid him to try to grab us for jumping the letter of the law, no matter how accidental.

That said, this is f--ked up, Florida. Besides the fact that only three of us could even register in my AP Government class (since only three of us were 18 by November), it was still a decent learning experience and still f--ked up.

/Go ACLU Go
 
2011-10-25 01:00:40 PM
Now, if you get the dead pre-registered to vote in Florida, well, that's perfectly okay...
 
2011-10-25 01:01:35 PM
I took an AP gym class.
 
2011-10-25 01:01:59 PM
I am also against people from Florida voting. And reproducing.
 
2011-10-25 01:02:55 PM
Conservatives - suppressing the vote since the advent of democracy.
 
2011-10-25 01:03:04 PM
We all registered to vote through my Government Class Sr. Year of HS.

It's sad to me that there are some people out there who are fighting so hard to make it more difficult for everyone to participate in the political process and vote.
 
2011-10-25 01:03:43 PM
SkunkWerks: Now, if you get the dead pre-registered to vote in Florida, well, that's perfectly okay...

As long as they vote republican

thekyle.com

"Because you need me, Springfield Florida. Your guilty conscience may move you to vote Democratic, but deep down you long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king. That's why I did this, to save you from yourselves. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a city to run."

/Ohh right, the voter fraud
 
2011-10-25 01:04:18 PM
I'm really surprised Florida is still allowed to have elections.
 
2011-10-25 01:05:36 PM
The Homer Tax: It's sad to me that there are some people out there who are fighting so hard to make it more difficult for everyone to participate in the political process and vote.

It seems to me that if she just told them where to go and what to do there wouldn't have been any conflict with the law. There's a lot she did that was perfectly legit as far as getting the students more active. I could be wrong.
 
2011-10-25 01:06:21 PM
I've noticed some strange laws around schools and prepping students to participate in our democracy.

Oregon has a law on the books preventing school administrators from speaking out in favor of or against laws that affect school funding. They can give facts (X # of dollars will be saved or lost), but cannot actually advocate for one choice or the other.

The whole restricting free speech thing bothers me more than a little.

This Florida thing is just another in a long line of transgressions against the people.
 
2011-10-25 01:08:21 PM
trappedspirit: It seems to me that if she just told them where to go and what to do there wouldn't have been any conflict with the law. There's a lot she did that was perfectly legit as far as getting the students more active. I could be wrong.

But why is there a law that would prevent a Teacher registering her students to vote in the first place? How exactly are we better off for that law? Who benefits from that, exactly?
 
2011-10-25 01:08:25 PM
Stupid teacher. Doesn't she know that her job is to get kids to pass the standardized tests so the schools can continue to get federal funding? She's not actually supposed to teach, or try to make the kids learn anything other than which circle to fill in on the scantron sheet.
 
2011-10-25 01:08:40 PM
Prepping 17-year-olds for the privileges and responsibilities of voting in a democracy is nothing new for civics teachers, but when Jill Cicciarelli organized a drive at the start of the school year to get students pre-registered, she ran afoul of Florida's new and controversial election law.

17-year-olds can vote?
 
2011-10-25 01:09:44 PM
It's impossible to do something smart in a state that's populated and run by retards and imbeciles.
 
2011-10-25 01:10:08 PM
Are we all actors in our community, or are we just wards of the state?

You have to fill out forms and register with the state to help people register to vote? Uhm, how about no.
 
2011-10-25 01:10:59 PM
i651.photobucket.com

Why can't people just figure out how to find the registration forms, fill them out, find a way to get to the polling place, work the machines and VOTE, themselves! Asking for help is NOT THE AMERICAN WAY.

Besides, if they do it wrong, there'll be another election in a few years when they can try again.

People act like being poor is a handicap, when we all know they have refrigerators and non-dirt floors so they're actually quite well off.
 
2011-10-25 01:11:32 PM
Bondith: Prepping 17-year-olds for the privileges and responsibilities of voting in a democracy is nothing new for civics teachers, but when Jill Cicciarelli organized a drive at the start of the school year to get students pre-registered, she ran afoul of Florida's new and controversial election law.

17-year-olds can vote?


"Pre" (as in pre-register) is a prefix that you might want to find the definition for.
 
2011-10-25 01:11:33 PM
I'm just glad that they were able to work some good old-fashioned partisan paranoia and conspiracy theory in there.
 
2011-10-25 01:13:01 PM
i liked how the article contained a link to itself.
 
2011-10-25 01:13:25 PM
Vodka Zombie: It's impossible to do something smart in a state that's populated and run by retards and imbeciles.

Great, so what does that leave, Puerto Rico? They're not even a state forcrissakes.

i10.photobucket.com
 
2011-10-25 01:14:06 PM
The Homer Tax: trappedspirit: It seems to me that if she just told them where to go and what to do there wouldn't have been any conflict with the law. There's a lot she did that was perfectly legit as far as getting the students more active. I could be wrong.

But why is there a law that would prevent a Teacher registering her students to vote in the first place? How exactly are we better off for that law? Who benefits from that, exactly?


Obviously, the republicans benefit, because young people tend to vote democratic instead of republican. Republicans love democracy as long as it works for their own benefit and no one else's (otherwise it's socialism).
 
2011-10-25 01:15:10 PM
scottydoesntknow: SkunkWerks: Now, if you get the dead pre-registered to vote in Florida, well, that's perfectly okay...

As long as they vote republican

[thekyle.com image 420x308]

"Because you need me, Springfield Florida. Your guilty conscience may move you to vote Democratic, but deep down you long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king. That's why I did this, to save you from yourselves. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a city to run."

/Ohh right, the voter fraud


i53.tinypic.com
 
2011-10-25 01:15:19 PM
Laws designed to suppress the vote of demographics likely to vote democratic are patriotic! It's what Jesus would do!
 
2011-10-25 01:15:49 PM
Bondith: 17-year-olds can vote?

You can register to vote at 17 if you'll be 18 by the time of the election.

I registered at my school when I was 17.
 
2011-10-25 01:16:22 PM
anyone else click this link in the article: "And we here at TPC know about those nasty little new election laws, don't we?"

any article that contains a link to itself should be dismissed off hand.

i am pretty sure i just divided teh interwebs by zero.
 
2011-10-25 01:17:00 PM
meat0918: I've noticed some strange laws around schools and prepping students to participate in our democracy.

Oregon has a law on the books preventing school administrators from speaking out in favor of or against laws that affect school funding. They can give facts (X # of dollars will be saved or lost), but cannot actually advocate for one choice or the other.

The whole restricting free speech thing bothers me more than a little.

This Florida thing is just another in a long line of transgressions against the people.


A little off topic, but there never really was "free" speech -- not free of consequence, anyway. There have always been libel / slander laws on the books for every state in this country, and we have developed many guidelines for commercial speech. And if you're an employee of the government, as teachers and principals are, you have certain things that you can't say -- anything advocating certain religions, anything endangering national security, or of course anything misrepresenting the actual policies of the government. The law may suck on other levels but "free speech" isn't really an argument in this case.
 
2011-10-25 01:17:13 PM
Naomi Wolf had a chapter on this in her last book. It's way worse than described in the linked story.
 
2011-10-25 01:18:01 PM
Bondith: 17-year-olds can vote?

17 year olds can register to vote in the first election when they turn 18. In most states you have to register to vote some weeks/months before the election to actually vote in it.
 
2011-10-25 01:18:17 PM
h2oincfs: i liked how the article contained a link to itself.

beat me by a couple minutes. that is what i get for not refreshing the comments before posting.
 
2011-10-25 01:21:34 PM
themanuf: h2oincfs: i liked how the article contained a link to itself.

beat me by a couple minutes. that is what i get for not refreshing the comments before posting.


happens to me all the time.
 
2011-10-25 01:21:46 PM
The Homer Tax: trappedspirit: It seems to me that if she just told them where to go and what to do there wouldn't have been any conflict with the law. There's a lot she did that was perfectly legit as far as getting the students more active. I could be wrong.

But why is there a law that would prevent a Teacher registering her students to vote in the first place? How exactly are we better off for that law? Who benefits from that, exactly?


I'm just guessing here but I think it's would be to prevent a teacher having to deal with the inevitable question of "which party should I register with".
 
2011-10-25 01:24:15 PM
The Homer Tax: But why is there a law that would prevent a Teacher registering her students to vote in the first place? How exactly are we better off for that law? Who benefits from that, exactly?

To answer your questions:
First: Because students in Florida who are not registered are more likely to be young people of color who would most likely vote incumbent scum out of office, regardless of their party affiliation. Remember, young people have been reading the entire local paper all their lives out of boredom. They know who is helping them out and who is shiatting on them. And they want to vote and cannot. Giving them that power is giving a power vote.
Second: We aren't.
Last: No one in a free democracy.
 
2011-10-25 01:26:25 PM
Teacher could face thousands of dollars in fines for helping students register to vote.

Was the teacher fondling the students while they filled out the registration forms??

/seriously, I thought this was going to be a novel form of sexual assault ...
 
2011-10-25 01:26:35 PM
And once again, the very stupid wait, what? ender.
 
2011-10-25 01:27:50 PM
I register the kids in the high school where I teach. Here in Illinois, I had to meet with the county election guy to get instructed on the law, how to fill out the registration cards, proper identification that the students have to present, how to send in the cards, and then I had to raise my right hand and swear to uphold the law. No big deal. What we do here is not designed to be supressive, nor is it partisan. It's just the process that everyone has to follow. That Florida teacher should have picked up the phone and asked.

/But then again, it is Florida.
 
2011-10-25 01:29:12 PM
Almost No Way

// you figure it out
 
2011-10-25 01:29:27 PM
If you are too stupid to register to vote, maybe you should sit out the election. If you are so far out on the margins of society that you cannot produce even a bill or receipt that has your name and an address on it, then maybe you should sit out the election. Voting should require some effort. Not much, but at least on par with getting a library card or frequent shopper card at the local market.
 
2011-10-25 01:31:27 PM
trappedspirit: I'm just guessing here but I think it's would be to prevent a teacher having to deal with the inevitable question of "which party should I register with".

"Whatever party you want, if any. That's none of my concern."

You don't need a law to prevent that.
 
2011-10-25 01:34:01 PM
The Homer Tax: trappedspirit: I'm just guessing here but I think it's would be to prevent a teacher having to deal with the inevitable question of "which party should I register with".

"Whatever party you want, if any. That's none of my concern."

You don't need a law to prevent that.


Yeah, that's how all the teachers would answer. No one would be interested in getting some more votes for their party.
 
2011-10-25 01:34:20 PM
themanuf: h2oincfs: i liked how the article contained a link to itself.

beat me by a couple minutes. that is what i get for not refreshing the comments before posting.


It was a link to a page with more voter suppression stories, including the one linked from. Scroll down.
 
2011-10-25 01:35:32 PM
Why do Republicans hate teachers so much?
 
2011-10-25 01:35:44 PM
vudukungfu: First: Because students in Florida who are not registered are more likely to be young people of color who would most likely vote incumbent scum out of office, regardless of their party affiliation. Remember, young people have been reading the entire local paper all their lives out of boredom. They know who is helping them out and who is shiatting on them. And they want to vote and cannot. Giving them that power is giving a power vote.

These students can still register. No one is being disenfranchised here.
 
2011-10-25 01:38:28 PM
The Homer Tax: trappedspirit: I'm just guessing here but I think it's would be to prevent a teacher having to deal with the inevitable question of "which party should I register with".

"Whatever party you want, if any. That's none of my concern."

You don't need a law to prevent that.


Really? You really trust teachers (especially teachers in Florida) to be neutral?
 
2011-10-25 01:39:26 PM
The self-referencing link that appeared to be to the offending law, but instead just takes the viewer to the top of the SAME ARTICLE was more annoying than the purpored problem itself.

The article did not cite or reference the law in question.

The article did not explain how the accused individual is supposed to have violated the law.

The article is bullshiat and not worthy of posting or green-lighting.
 
2011-10-25 01:39:44 PM
ChrisDe: Why do Republicans hate teachers so much?

It's not hatred, dear boy. Republicans are terrified of just about everything. They wet the bed at night with the realization that Americans can become an educated populace, smart enough to see through the incessant bullshiat they peddle.
 
2011-10-25 01:40:02 PM
The Homer Tax: trappedspirit: It seems to me that if she just told them where to go and what to do there wouldn't have been any conflict with the law. There's a lot she did that was perfectly legit as far as getting the students more active. I could be wrong.

But why is there a law that would prevent a Teacher registering her students to vote in the first place? How exactly are we better off for that law? Who benefits from that, exactly?


Republicans
 
2011-10-25 01:42:45 PM
If you cant figure out how to register on your own, and so so without help..then you probably are too stupid to vote.

Given that this teacher was probably pushing their own politicla affiliation, I dont see any problem here.

Heck, raise the voting age to 25, or 30. The young are too stupid to vote in general.
 
2011-10-25 01:45:44 PM
incrdbil: If you cant figure out how to register on your own, and so so without help..then you probably are too stupid to vote.

Given that this teacher was probably pushing their own politicla affiliation, I dont see any problem here.

Heck, raise the voting age to 25, or 30. The young are too stupid to vote in general.


As long as the voting age is capped at 55-60, so the scared, racist, xenophobic, obsolete segment of the population is cut out of the political process as well.
 
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