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2MS
2011-10-25 12:01:03 PM
So this got greenlit? Are you Farking shiatting me?
 
2011-10-25 12:01:07 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-10-25 12:03:35 PM
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2011-10-25 12:04:03 PM
img.youtube.com

Worried.
 
2011-10-25 12:05:25 PM
we have fetishised food.

It's the new pornography.
 
2011-10-25 12:07:56 PM
Creme Fraîche!
 
2011-10-25 12:10:03 PM
Danger Mouse: we have fetishised food.

It's the new pornography.


Caligua laughs in your general direction.
 
2011-10-25 12:10:33 PM
It's the non-cooks now who tune in to see Emeril Lagasse's latest recipe,

That boob has never created a recipe for anything in his entire life.
 
2011-10-25 12:11:49 PM
Hey, Julia was BFF with my mother (in fact my mother was "guest of honor" at the first taping), Joyce Chen was a babysitter, etc.
I would not have given up what I learned from these people. IMHO, Iron Chef America is one of the most useless shows on TV. Iron Chef was great. My kid watches the old episodes when we find them.
There are lots others that are really useless. (we show BBQ Pitmasters when cooking in the back yard for laughs....) A local place gets TV/cable people showing up due to "Social Media". Their burgers are OK, just not worth the promotional hype.

McDonalds shows that you can cram anything down a person's throat.

/I wish Two Fat Ladies was back on TV
 
2011-10-25 12:12:06 PM
Eating an orange and a banana right now, so getting a kick...
 
2011-10-25 12:12:48 PM
images.cheezburger.com
 
2011-10-25 12:13:17 PM
Danger Mouse: we have fetishised food.

It's the new pornography.


Woah... I made that very point not two days ago.
 
2011-10-25 12:13:21 PM
PsiChi: Eating an orange and a banana right now, so getting a kick...

I'm eating kimchi and tuna.
 
2011-10-25 12:13:40 PM
I actually watch quite a bit of food network shows (like Ironchef), but I hardly ever actually watch the recipe shows. Yep, it's become more about entertainment than food, but I'm not so sure if that's necessarily a bad thing.
 
2011-10-25 12:14:35 PM
Remember kids. This gets put on the Food Network

fasthorseinc.com (new window)
 
2011-10-25 12:14:39 PM
We didn't really eat all that well growing up. Frozen veggies were microwaved, meats were grilled without any seasoning or flavor. I never really learned how to cook from my folks.

If it wasn't for Top Chef, I'd probably be eating ramen, chicken nuggets, and velveeta mac n cheese everyday. It's been kind of a blessing. I've picked up knife skills from watching and loads of techniques I'd never imagined. It's made me a little bolder in my ingredient choices.

The only problem is that I'll go to recreate something and drop like $40 on making a single meal. It's often worth the price, in my opinion.
 
2011-10-25 12:17:55 PM
She readily admits an addiction to Iron Chef America; she learned to cook risotto by watching Lidia Bastianich do it on TV; and she's on a first-name basis in her head with all sorts of food stars - "Eric" for Ripert, "Bobby" for Flay. "We went out to Hung's place last night," she recently told me, after a dinner at Catch.

I stopped reading after that. Mental illness is one thing but I will not stand for pompous mental illness.
 
2011-10-25 12:19:13 PM
telling people what we are currently eating?? what is this, facebook?
 
2011-10-25 12:20:08 PM
Is Alton Brown still making new episodes? I really liked his show far more than anything else on Food Network (especially since it became a crappy reality TV channel)
 
2011-10-25 12:20:18 PM
Hot Rod Zoidberg: We didn't really eat all that well growing up. Frozen veggies were microwaved, meats were grilled without any seasoning or flavor. I never really learned how to cook from my folks.

Sounds like my BF's upbringing. When my parents were still in the area he'd come over for dinner once a week and was amazed not only with the quality and freshness of everything but the party of flavors in the dishes. After 3 years I went over to his parents' house last spring and they were making a basic spaghetti and red sauce and there I was, chopping fresh onion, popping a can of diced tomatoes and rescuing an almost forgotten green pepper and using some spices that I think may have been lost in the cupboard. His mom was impressed that I increased the volume and amount of left overs (it was more filling than what she did which was just boiling a jar of sauce) and his dad just liked that there was a new flavor in it.

I used to think my parent's cooking was on the mild side. Now I know that there are people out there who sh*t their pants when tasting a fresh onion once in a while.
 
2011-10-25 12:20:36 PM
Hot Rod Zoidberg: We didn't really eat all that well growing up. Frozen veggies were microwaved, meats were grilled without any seasoning or flavor. I never really learned how to cook from my folks.

If it wasn't for Top Chef, I'd probably be eating ramen, chicken nuggets, and velveeta mac n cheese everyday. It's been kind of a blessing. I've picked up knife skills from watching and loads of techniques I'd never imagined. It's made me a little bolder in my ingredient choices.

The only problem is that I'll go to recreate something and drop like $40 on making a single meal. It's often worth the price, in my opinion.


I think that some of these tv shows have been making people be less scared of trying new things. I don't usually try to replicate recipes, but sometimes I see something that inspires me to tweak my every day dishes, and most times it doesn't change the cost that much to add a different kind of spice or fresh herb to whatever I'm making that day, or to try different vegetables instead of the green beans + carrots frozen combo.
 
2011-10-25 12:21:06 PM
dittybopper: PsiChi: Eating an orange and a banana right now, so getting a kick...

I'm eating kimchi and tuna.


mmmmm kimchi
 
2011-10-25 12:21:23 PM
Having grown up watching Julia, Jacques Pepin, Graham Kerr, I mostly do not love anyone on FN now. It's also becoming just another reality show based network of crap, and any shows it used to have worth watching are being surreptiously crept over to the 'new' Cooking Channel, which of course is an add on cable channel which I won't pay for.

I'm happy now watching Lidia Bastianich, John Besh, Eric Ripert, etc on Create. Yeah, it's annoying public television, but at least there are no commercials and Rachel is hawking EVOO!!!! or some stupidly shaped pan at me.

I did enjoy the first 3 or 4 years of Top Chef, now it's no better than Jersey Shore with better snacks. The original Iron Chef was awesome. Iron Chef America may as well be called "Let's Stroke Bobby Flay".
 
2011-10-25 12:21:35 PM
KatjaMouse: Remember kids. This gets put on the Food Network

[fasthorseinc.com image 600x448] (new window)


FARK YOU FOR BEATING ME TO IT! ;)

/jk, loves ya, katja so much so that I'll provide the link to the youtube in all it's holiday gory glory (new window)
 
2011-10-25 12:22:48 PM
cerejaninja: I think that some of these tv shows have been making people be less scared of trying new things. I don't usually try to replicate recipes, but sometimes I see something that inspires me to tweak my every day dishes, and most times it doesn't change the cost that much to add a different kind of spice or fresh herb to whatever I'm making that day, or to try different vegetables instead of the green beans + carrots frozen combo.

Also you have to admit that the dishes are photographed beautifully in such a way that even if you don't like some of the flavoring their talking about, you're mouth waters nonetheless.

/caught Duffy's (that's his name right?) new dessert show the other night. I've been wanting to try meatloaf cupcakes ever since
 
2011-10-25 12:23:22 PM
As someone with an education in Food Science and a culinary background this has made me more than furious. I constantly am out dispelling myth and rumor about food, fighting these so called experts opinions/misinformation on food. People learn improper techniques and pronouciations and then argue with me that they saw Paula Deen or that asshat Alton Brown (I've met him, he's an arrogant arse) say otherwise. Forget that I have 7 years collegiate education in food sci/chem and many in the culinary relm, the guy with the stupid shirts said so, therefore I must be mistaken (probably somewhere between food chemistry and basic knife skills but who is counting?). I have mostly given up and just make my wife happy when she gets in from work.
 
2011-10-25 12:24:01 PM
Hot Rod Zoidberg: We didn't really eat all that well growing up. Frozen veggies were microwaved, meats were grilled without any seasoning or flavor. I never really learned how to cook from my folks.

If it wasn't for Top Chef, I'd probably be eating ramen, chicken nuggets, and velveeta mac n cheese everyday. It's been kind of a blessing. I've picked up knife skills from watching and loads of techniques I'd never imagined. It's made me a little bolder in my ingredient choices.

The only problem is that I'll go to recreate something and drop like $40 on making a single meal. It's often worth the price, in my opinion.


Yeah, I don't see the problem with all this. More people are learning to take pride in what they cook, try different foods and ingredients, look for quality in the foods they consume, take an interest in the foods of other cultures. Maybe a lot of them are even eating a little smarter and healthier, Paula Dean notwithstanding.

(Currently eating turkey salad on whole wheat. Nice leftover roast turkey, sage, ginger, dried cranberries, just a little mayo)
 
2011-10-25 12:24:12 PM
mekkab: /jk, loves ya, katja so much so that I'll provide the link to the youtube in all it's holiday gory glory (new window)

Well, thanks. I was thinking that linking the youtube clip to the image would be too subtle too so thanks for the extra back up link.
 
2011-10-25 12:25:03 PM
KatjaMouse: Hot Rod Zoidberg: We didn't really eat all that well growing up. Frozen veggies were microwaved, meats were grilled without any seasoning or flavor. I never really learned how to cook from my folks.

Sounds like my BF's upbringing. When my parents were still in the area he'd come over for dinner once a week and was amazed not only with the quality and freshness of everything but the party of flavors in the dishes. After 3 years I went over to his parents' house last spring and they were making a basic spaghetti and red sauce and there I was, chopping fresh onion, popping a can of diced tomatoes and rescuing an almost forgotten green pepper and using some spices that I think may have been lost in the cupboard. His mom was impressed that I increased the volume and amount of left overs (it was more filling than what she did which was just boiling a jar of sauce) and his dad just liked that there was a new flavor in it.

I used to think my parent's cooking was on the mild side. Now I know that there are people out there who sh*t their pants when tasting a fresh onion once in a while.


Same thing on my husband's side of the family. They don't keep fresh onions or garlic at home. It boggled my mind, coming from a Brazilian family - if you don't have those in your kitchen, you can't cook! Same thing for herbs, they never have any fresh herbs available - my mother in law complained that my Christmas duck (yep, I make duck instead of Turkey because it's a waste to make a turkey for 2 people) smelled too strongly... because it smelled like thyme and rosemary. She won't even try it. Oh well!
 
2011-10-25 12:25:25 PM
kicksmile: As someone with an education in Food Science and a culinary background this has made me more than furious. I constantly am out dispelling myth and rumor about food, fighting these so called experts opinions/misinformation on food. People learn improper techniques and pronouciations and then argue with me that they saw Paula Deen or that asshat Alton Brown (I've met him, he's an arrogant arse) say otherwise. Forget that I have 7 years collegiate education in food sci/chem and many in the culinary relm, the guy with the stupid shirts said so, therefore I must be mistaken (probably somewhere between food chemistry and basic knife skills but who is counting?). I have mostly given up and just make my wife happy when she gets in from work.

Are you one of those people that dabbles in atomic gastronomy?
 
2011-10-25 12:26:07 PM
This guy is trying to do the right thing.

img.foodnetwork.com
 
2011-10-25 12:26:13 PM
Danger Mouse: we have fetishised food.

It's the new pornography.


It's not food that has become a fetish, it's the preparation of food.

Simple facts, people in general are too lazy to cook healthy food for themselves. So it's either pay someone to cook food for you or starve.
 
2011-10-25 12:26:24 PM
www.arcamax.com
 
2011-10-25 12:26:43 PM
TV dinners I'm feelin' kinda rough
TV dinners this one's kinda tough
I like the enchiladas and the teriyaki too
I even like the chicken if.... the sauce is not too blue.
 
2011-10-25 12:27:12 PM
FTFA: Home cooks are heading out and buying the industrial-style ranges and fridges

funny story about that. So THis place (new window) put in a commercial fry griddle in the middle of their kitchen, you know, to be all upscale and isht. You'll note how the photos show them cooking greasy things, like bacon and sausage.


Well, unless you have professional experience they ask you not to use the grill BUT if they do let you use the griddle, they won't let you cook bacon because they didn't install adequate venting for the farking thing! You'll smoke out the living area!

Fools, money, etc.
 
2011-10-25 12:27:51 PM
KatjaMouse: cerejaninja: I think that some of these tv shows have been making people be less scared of trying new things. I don't usually try to replicate recipes, but sometimes I see something that inspires me to tweak my every day dishes, and most times it doesn't change the cost that much to add a different kind of spice or fresh herb to whatever I'm making that day, or to try different vegetables instead of the green beans + carrots frozen combo.

Also you have to admit that the dishes are photographed beautifully in such a way that even if you don't like some of the flavoring their talking about, you're mouth waters nonetheless.

/caught Duffy's (that's his name right?) new dessert show the other night. I've been wanting to try meatloaf cupcakes ever since


Oh yeah, 100% agreed! Even some suspicious/boring recipes look pretty awesome on screen, the photography on these shows is outstanding!
 
2011-10-25 12:27:54 PM
rawbert7: dittybopper: PsiChi: Eating an orange and a banana right now, so getting a kick...

I'm eating kimchi and tuna.

mmmmm kimchi


Even better, I'm eating it in my office at work, just to share the love.
 
2011-10-25 12:27:59 PM
exvaxman

http://www.cookingchanneltv.com/two-fat-ladies/index.html
 
2011-10-25 12:28:04 PM
cerejaninja: Same thing on my husband's side of the family. They don't keep fresh onions or garlic at home. It boggled my mind, coming from a Brazilian family - if you don't have those in your kitchen, you can't cook! Same thing for herbs, they never have any fresh herbs available - my mother in law complained that my Christmas duck (yep, I make duck instead of Turkey because it's a waste to make a turkey for 2 people) smelled too strongly... because it smelled like thyme and rosemary. She won't even try it. Oh well!

Well, lucky for me they actually like flavor. I think it's a time thing and it's just easier to cook something pre-made or throw a salted chicken in the oven rather than seasoning it. I think part of it could be how she was brought up where they didn't really season anything either but when we go out they'll order plates with lots of different things and flavors. I just don't think she knows what combinations to reach for or what to prep before getting started.
 
2011-10-25 12:28:20 PM
cerejaninja: Hot Rod Zoidberg: We didn't really eat all that well growing up. Frozen veggies were microwaved, meats were grilled without any seasoning or flavor. I never really learned how to cook from my folks.

If it wasn't for Top Chef, I'd probably be eating ramen, chicken nuggets, and velveeta mac n cheese everyday. It's been kind of a blessing. I've picked up knife skills from watching and loads of techniques I'd never imagined. It's made me a little bolder in my ingredient choices.

The only problem is that I'll go to recreate something and drop like $40 on making a single meal. It's often worth the price, in my opinion.

I think that some of these tv shows have been making people be less scared of trying new things. I don't usually try to replicate recipes, but sometimes I see something that inspires me to tweak my every day dishes, and most times it doesn't change the cost that much to add a different kind of spice or fresh herb to whatever I'm making that day, or to try different vegetables instead of the green beans + carrots frozen combo.


I picked up an herb/food pairing chart, with the herbs in X and the Meat/Veggies in Y. Dear lord, it has opened up a world of great food.

It helps I have most of the herbs growing outside my front door. I've even got saffron growing.

//Winter savory is the bomb with beans.
 
2011-10-25 12:28:41 PM
The sad thing is that a lot of the crap on TV is the latest fad and then they move on to the latest next thing without realizing what is useful. I'm sorry, but "sous Vide" was awesome before the TV morons popularized it. It will be around forever.
Personally, my home made unit (and the commercial unit I later bought so the pre-teen could use it) changed the way we cook.
I have forgiven my father for being the person who popularized the microwave when it was a very expensive Raytheon product meant for commercial places. The microwave is the worst thing that has ever happened to home cooking with a few exceptions. (IMHO popcorn was meant to be popped in coconut oil and buttered with real butter rather than chemicals).Vacuum sealers should be a standard in any household for multiple reasons.

Sorry - in rant mode. I have been asked multiple times to start my own place. I refuse - too much work, I do go into places to help out and get a percentage of the improvement. I have done since this before that foul mouthed freak was a sensation.
 
2011-10-25 12:28:51 PM
I'm eating ur gf
 
2011-10-25 12:30:26 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-10-25 12:30:55 PM
kicksmile: People learn improper techniques and pronouciations

what improper techniques? And as for pronunciations, are we talking about bruschetta?

/home cook, and damn proud of it.
//Call me a foodie and I'll serve your liver with fava beans (but I'll skip the chianti for a Barbera D'asti)
 
2011-10-25 12:31:06 PM
dittybopper: PsiChi: Eating an orange and a banana right now, so getting a kick...

I'm eating kimchi and tuna.


You have been bordering on getting favorited since I joined Fark. But I never got around to it. Now that I see you are a fan of the best food on the planet... Welcome to my favorites. That being said you might enjoy this link Link (new window) This woman cooks the closest to my mother in law that I have found. Only she has the recipes and not "Just put about this much soy sauce and this much sesame oil." Enjoy!
 
2011-10-25 12:32:18 PM
DNRTFA, but no picture of Adam Richman???
 
2011-10-25 12:32:54 PM
damnit!

link wont work Google "Maangchi"
 
2011-10-25 12:33:23 PM
kicksmile: As someone with an education in Food Science and a culinary background this has made me more than furious. I constantly am out dispelling myth and rumor about food, fighting these so called experts opinions/misinformation on food. People learn improper techniques and pronouciations and then argue with me that they saw Paula Deen or that asshat Alton Brown (I've met him, he's an arrogant arse) say otherwise. Forget that I have 7 years collegiate education in food sci/chem and many in the culinary relm, the guy with the stupid shirts said so, therefore I must be mistaken (probably somewhere between food chemistry and basic knife skills but who is counting?). I have mostly given up and just make my wife happy when she gets in from work.

I don't doubt you for a second. Whenever I see anyone doing an special on a kind of food that I know really well (like Brazilian or Portuguese), they usually make quite a few mistakes when explaining the dishes and ingredients, or produce dishes that are so far from the original that it makes me assume that they do the same poor research when they're dealing with other cuisines. I like watching these shows, but in no way I'm going to take them too seriously!
 
2011-10-25 12:35:14 PM
kicksmile: Alton Brown (I've met him, he's an arrogant arse)

He was entertainment. His degree is in Drama. He saw a chance and went for it. I actually liked his shows because they were entertainment for me - but some people believed in him. Before he became a "name" according to a friend of a friend he was a decent person. The same person today says that he would not associate with him.

Credit where credit is due. He created a cult. He got people into experimenting. He pushed a few things.
But there is a reason why he had to move from his neighborhood, and it wasn't just the production equipment blocking the road.
 
2011-10-25 12:35:55 PM
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Is Alton Brown still making new episodes? I really liked his show far more than anything else on Food Network (especially since it became a crappy reality TV channel)


Nope. Food Network decided a couple years ago that it would stop showing actual cooking, and Good Eats was caught up in the wash.

Fortunately, The Cooking Channel has actual cooking shows, including re-runs of Good Eats.

Not to get all "get off my lawn" here, but I remember when you could turn on the Food Network and actually watch a cooking show. Now, it's a "get your pre-made ingredients together with a tablescape and DRINK TIME" show. Oh, and cake "battles." Meh.
 
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