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(Some Guy) Asinine Look, citizen, just because we broke down your door, smashed all your windows, busted holes in your wall and left the smell of tear gas while you waited in one of our complimentary jail cells doesn't make us responsible. Sleep tight, citizen   (sacramento.cbslocal.com) divider line 120
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2011-10-24 11:25:20 PM
Nice..
I'd say she shouldn't have opened the door, but they most likely would have kicked it in.
 
2011-10-24 11:27:52 PM
You said 'citizen' twice.

I doubt you like citizens.
 
2011-10-24 11:29:22 PM
AbbeySomeone: Nice..
I'd say she shouldn't have opened the door, but they most likely would have kicked it in.


Probably. Why they couldn't have simply asked her to step outside with the kids while they searched the house is beyond me.
 
2011-10-24 11:32:23 PM
fusillade762: AbbeySomeone: Nice..
I'd say she shouldn't have opened the door, but they most likely would have kicked it in.

Probably. Why they couldn't have simply asked her to step outside with the kids while they searched the house is beyond me.


Their behaviour is inexcusable.
Gosh, I hope she didn't have any rolling papers in there.
 
2011-10-24 11:32:53 PM
Pick up that can.
 
2011-10-24 11:42:52 PM
fusillade762: AbbeySomeone: Nice..
I'd say she shouldn't have opened the door, but they most likely would have kicked it in.

Probably. Why they couldn't have simply asked her to step outside with the kids while they searched the house is beyond me.


Are you seriously suggesting that the police act with courtesy and understanding? In the US? Please.

It broke my heart the day I had the "Don't Talk To The Police" discussion with my kids. Never, ever, ever thought I'd have to do so. What the fark have we let ourselves become?
 
2011-10-24 11:53:12 PM
What's the over/under on how many comments into this before the first "cops were in the right/what's the problem" post?
 
2011-10-24 11:53:40 PM
She wants the police to fix the house? I doubt any of them know how to do anything constructive at all.
 
2011-10-24 11:55:56 PM
Sometimes stuff is damaged that belongs to innocent people. The best way to deal with these things is to apologize as soon as it is apparent that the suspect is not in the house. Simply saying "I'm sorry" right away goes a long, long way to making amends.

Then empower street level supervisors to spend up to $1K to fix things, broken windows, broken doors, things like that. Let the supervisor call a locksmith or a board up company to make immediate -even if temporary- repairs. If needed put them up for 3 days in a nice hotel, the Hyatt or something like that not Motel 6. Sure the place they live in my be Motel 6 quality, but you did just improperly smash their door down, let them hit the minibar for fifty bucks. Then have someone from risk management arrange the permanent repairs, and give them a little bonus, a nicer lock on the door, or double pane windows, sure it may cost a hundred bucks more but the good will is priceless.

When I was a cop in Tampa I stopped and detained a guy who matched the description of someone in a BOLO for armed robbery. The guy was nice enough, but I had to handcuff him and put him in my car for half an hour or so until we could do a go by with the victim. The guy was completely innocent, but had been inconvenienced by the cops and was now late for work.

I drove him to work and told his boss he was helping us solve a robbery. Then later that night I ate there with my Corporal, we shook hands with the guy and his boss, and it became a regular place for the cops to eat. We inconvenienced the guy, but we did our best to explain the situation in person to his boss so he didn't get in trouble, a little extra business for the diner, and we would slide by for a coffee (we always paid - and we really just wanted a clean bathroom to use) and say hi to the boss and the guy in the kitchen. Apologizing to the guy and his boss right away were imperative, to street the guy to walk to work and be even later without talking to his boss would have been wrong.
 
2011-10-24 11:56:10 PM
dahmers love zombie: What the fark have we let ourselves become?

A police state? But wait, there's more! Now presenting Rent-a-thug:

Wall Street Corporations Rent Their Own NYPD Unit From The City Of New York (new window)
 
2011-10-24 11:56:33 PM
this is bullshiat. i pitched "extreme makeover: home invasion edition" a couple of years back and never got a call-back, and these assholes are getting it done and collecting a city paycheck on the side.
 
2011-10-24 11:56:38 PM
dudemanbro: She wants the police to fix the house? I doubt any of them know how to do anything constructive at all.

They can create evidence from whole cloth and fleece the citizenry at a profit.
 
2011-10-24 11:58:55 PM
fusillade762: dahmers love zombie: What the fark have we let ourselves become?

A police state? But wait, there's more! Now presenting Rent-a-thug:

Wall Street Corporations Rent Their Own NYPD Unit From The City Of New York (new window)


do you have a real source for that? it's f*cked up, but i'm not sure i can trust "disinformation" quoting "counterpunch"
 
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2011-10-24 11:59:02 PM
Bloody typical, they've gone back to metric without telling us.
 
2011-10-25 12:06:19 AM
thomps: fusillade762: dahmers love zombie: What the fark have we let ourselves become?

A police state? But wait, there's more! Now presenting Rent-a-thug:

Wall Street Corporations Rent Their Own NYPD Unit From The City Of New York (new window)

do you have a real source for that? it's f*cked up, but i'm not sure i can trust "disinformation" quoting "counterpunch"


The Counterpunch article is as far back as it goes, so I'm not 100% sure it's true, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. Police have always been the defenders of monied interests, this would just codify the relationship and make it more explicit and direct.


feckingmorons: stuff

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to ask you to take your reasonable and empathetic approach elsewhere. We don't cotton to nuance around these parts.
 
2011-10-25 12:11:57 AM
What. The fark? San Jose has jurisdiction and can use force in Stockton, a town two hours away?

This sounds like a gang hit, not a police action. That bothers me more than the typical "wrong house/too much force" issue. Wonder what the Stockton PD has to say about that...
 
2011-10-25 12:15:39 AM
Charlie Freak: This sounds like a gang hit, not a police action.

Exactly right. HA sympathizer? That's a house ruinin'.
 
2011-10-25 12:33:51 AM
Something is seriously farked up here. Either the article is misleading and the Stockton PD executed the warrant, or San Jose PD is pulling some major shiat.

I have never heard of a city PD utterly invading the jurisdiction of a large city 70 miles and three counties away. If that happened up here, my state would be torn asunder - pitchforks, tar, feathers, and long rifles.
 
2011-10-25 01:40:06 AM
thomps: fusillade762: dahmers love zombie: What the fark have we let ourselves become?

A police state? But wait, there's more! Now presenting Rent-a-thug:

Wall Street Corporations Rent Their Own NYPD Unit From The City Of New York (new window)

do you have a real source for that? it's f*cked up, but i'm not sure i can trust "disinformation" quoting "counterpunch"

===============

No, it's true. I didn't read the link, but I know they have arrest powers, but if they get hurt, or sued, they're on their own, and the department will not defend them in the event of any misdeeds.
It's done quite a bit. The department gets an "administrative" fee, and the cops get $37 an hour.

It's done all over.
There is a CVS pharmacy in Abany NY, that has an Albany cop there every minute they're open, and it's not because the department thought CVS needed any more protection than any other business in the city.
 
2011-10-25 01:59:21 AM
Lay with dogs and you're bound to get fleas, Citizen.
 
2011-10-25 02:22:22 AM
thomps: fusillade762: dahmers love zombie: What the fark have we let ourselves become?

A police state? But wait, there's more! Now presenting Rent-a-thug:

Wall Street Corporations Rent Their Own NYPD Unit From The City Of New York (new window)

do you have a real source for that? it's f*cked up, but i'm not sure i can trust "disinformation" quoting "counterpunch"


Quite a number of places do this. It's a way for police to decrease the cost of securing high-crime places and the places that hire them get security with actual arrest powers. Drugs, jewelry, and electronics stores do it quite commonly You'll also find it at almost every state college with their own police force - the school has organizations hire the police as security for their events
 
2011-10-25 02:32:47 AM
ArkAngel: thomps: fusillade762: dahmers love zombie: What the fark have we let ourselves become?

A police state? But wait, there's more! Now presenting Rent-a-thug:

Wall Street Corporations Rent Their Own NYPD Unit From The City Of New York (new window)

do you have a real source for that? it's f*cked up, but i'm not sure i can trust "disinformation" quoting "counterpunch"

Quite a number of places do this. It's a way for police to decrease the cost of securing high-crime places and the places that hire them get security with actual arrest powers. Drugs, jewelry, and electronics stores do it quite commonly You'll also find it at almost every state college with their own police force - the school has organizations hire the police as security for their events


But in those cases are they still in uniform with the power to arrest, beat, taze, mace and/or shoot you?
 
2011-10-25 03:02:01 AM
Isolated incident.
 
2011-10-25 03:05:26 AM
something something war on something....meh, dancing with stars is on.
 
2011-10-25 05:16:07 AM
dahmers love zombie: fusillade762: AbbeySomeone: Nice..
I'd say she shouldn't have opened the door, but they most likely would have kicked it in.

Probably. Why they couldn't have simply asked her to step outside with the kids while they searched the house is beyond me.

Are you seriously suggesting that the police act with courtesy and understanding? In the US? Please.

It broke my heart the day I had the "Don't Talk To The Police" discussion with my kids. Never, ever, ever thought I'd have to do so. What the fark have we let ourselves become?


Yeah, when i was a kid, i was taught that if i was ever in trouble to find a policeman. No way in hell i'll be telling my kids that.
 
2011-10-25 05:18:38 AM
AbbeySomeone: Nice..
I'd say she shouldn't have opened the door, but they most likely would have kicked it in.


I'm not sure these pigs would have even bothered kicking in the door. They would have gone for the full Waco.
 
2011-10-25 05:19:55 AM
Well, did he pick up the can?
 
2011-10-25 05:27:46 AM
I love how free you lot are over there. Free to be beaten, tazed, detained, searched, and shot.

Also after all that the cops that did it are still free!

WIN-WIN
 
2011-10-25 05:31:05 AM
Charlie Freak: What. The fark? San Jose has jurisdiction and can use force in Stockton, a town two hours away?

This sounds like a gang hit, not a police action. That bothers me more than the typical "wrong house/too much force" issue. Wonder what the Stockton PD has to say about that...


From the SF Chronicle:

Police had received information that Ruiz had been hiding out at the three-bedroom home on the 3700 block of McDougald Boulevard in Stockton, said San Jose police Sgt Jason Dwyer. Investigators asked Stockton police and the San Joaquin County sheriff's office to serve a search warrant for the home, but both agencies were unavailable, Dwyer said.

As a result, San Jose police drove tactical vehicles to the scene. Neighbors said they had seen San Jose police at the scene, calling out to someone in the home to surrender.

But after storming the home and firing tear gas at about 8 p.m. Saturday, police came up empty-handed and left.
 
2011-10-25 05:36:07 AM
I live close to the Forza coffee shop where the 4 cops were gunned down by Maurice Clemens in Lakewood, WA. It was unnerving hearing so many people say, "GOOD, FARKING PIGS!" But I suppose they get those views of hatred from somewhere.

I'm indifferent towards cops, but I did once have 5 cop cruisers immediately surround my vehicle when I was leaving the mall, where they tried accusing me of stealing my own car. One cop slapped my hood and with a holier-than-thou attitude and smirk asked, "So where'd you get this car from buddy?" The look on his face was priceless when I popped out the registration and said, "From a dealership genius, now what's your badge number?"

/Erhm...you're free to go.
 
2011-10-25 05:37:31 AM
doyner: Isolated incident.

Well, it was just that one house in 4 hours.... that we currently know of... in that particular area.

/but, there's 24 hours in a day, and plenty more houses to get to.
 
2011-10-25 05:40:59 AM
Why has she not yet been BILLED by the police for the service provided?

Seriously, I feel bad for her and she needs to get a lawyer. She also needs to have a talk with her daughter about the people she hangs with.
 
2011-10-25 05:46:32 AM
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Reminds me of some sort of anti-aging cake.
 
2011-10-25 05:49:12 AM
Plant Rights Activist: Well, did he pick up the can?

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2011-10-25 05:49:27 AM
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Reminds me of some sort of anti-aging cake.


This is when I realized I have a dirty mind.
 
2011-10-25 06:04:10 AM
But if your not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't have to worry about the police....right? Right?

/someone had to say it.
 
2011-10-25 06:08:17 AM
hangloose: I'm indifferent towards cops, but I did once have 5 cop cruisers immediately surround my vehicle when I was leaving the mall, where they tried accusing me of stealing my own car. One cop slapped my hood and with a holier-than-thou attitude and smirk asked, "So where'd you get this car from buddy?" The look on his face was priceless when I popped out the registration and said, "From a dealership genius, now what's your badge number?"

You sound non-white.
 
2011-10-25 06:14:36 AM
Fluorescent Testicle:
You sound non-white.


Nope I'm white. Perhaps they were jealous that I was 18 at the time driving a new Corvette, or more likely they had a report that a similar 'Vette had been stolen around the same area.
 
pla
2011-10-25 06:37:41 AM
What can any of us say here that NWA didn't say best, 20+ years ago?

We have a number of wars going on, Citizens, but most of them have We The People as the target.


/ Anyone else find it odd that she let them in voluntarily, yet they still felt the need to break the door and windows?
 
2011-10-25 06:41:58 AM
I hate how 90% of cops give the good 10% a bad name.
 
2011-10-25 06:47:29 AM
dahmers love zombie: fusillade762: AbbeySomeone: Nice..
I'd say she shouldn't have opened the door, but they most likely would have kicked it in.

Probably. Why they couldn't have simply asked her to step outside with the kids while they searched the house is beyond me.

Are you seriously suggesting that the police act with courtesy and understanding? In the US? Please.

It broke my heart the day I had the "Don't Talk To The Police" discussion with my kids. Never, ever, ever thought I'd have to do so. What the fark have we let ourselves become?


You give any organization a power and they are going to use it just so you won't decide they don't need it later. It started with Nixon's Jim Crow by Another Name "Tough on Crime" campaign, and it continues today with DHS, "National Security", and the Congressional and Judicial project to make cops, prosecutors, and politicians immune to legal action. The only way it'll ever get turned around is if folks who genuinely care about civil liberties start working together to change it; unfortunately libertarians are too busy calling liberals soft-headed, and liberals too paranoid about the corporate backing of libertarians for that to happen in a big way any time soon.
 
2011-10-25 06:55:55 AM
scooter1369: I hate how 90% of cops give the good 10% a bad name.

Policemen are 90% bullies and thugs. The other 10% are filthy liars that cover up for their colleagues.
If there is a god, he smiles whenever a cop dies.
 
2011-10-25 06:58:09 AM
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2011-10-25 07:11:52 AM
The article was pretty incomplete. It didn't say that the police were unwilling to pay to repair the damages and make things right. What normally happens in these cases? My initial thought is that they'd be liable to unfark things when they were wrong. Is that naive on my part? I have the sick suspicion that it probably is.
 
2011-10-25 07:20:46 AM
Xaneidolon: The article was pretty incomplete. It didn't say that the police were unwilling to pay to repair the damages and make things right. What normally happens in these cases? My initial thought is that they'd be liable to unfark things when they were wrong. Is that naive on my part? I have the sick suspicion that it probably is.

I recall a case in baltimore when they broke down the wrong door (the form was filled out wrong) so in the eyes of the city the cops did the right thing, so they didn't have to pay for repair the door.
 
2011-10-25 07:22:53 AM
pla: What can any of us say here that NWA didn't say best, 20+ years ago?

"Find'em Fark'em and Flee?"
 
2011-10-25 07:25:11 AM
Xaneidolon: The article was pretty incomplete. It didn't say that the police were unwilling to pay to repair the damages and make things right. What normally happens in these cases? My initial thought is that they'd be liable to unfark things when they were wrong. Is that naive on my part? I have the sick suspicion that it probably is.

The cops and the PD are very rarely responsible for any of their mistakes. They're not going to pay for repairs out of the goodness of their hearts, especially in this economy. The woman could take them to court, but they'll swear up and down on a stack of bibles that they had probable cause based on reliable information that there was a heavily armed man on the property. Even if the court finds that there was no probable cause, the police will get a pass because their mistake in believing that they had probable cause wasn't completely bugfark insane (qualified immunity). They'll also claim immunity based on the grounds that being a cop is hard and you have to make hard decisions.
 
2011-10-25 07:41:44 AM
indylaw: They'll also claim immunity based on the grounds that being a cop is hard and you have to make hard decisions.

www.naderlibrary.com
 
2011-10-25 07:41:45 AM
No trumped up "Harboring a Fugitive" charge? They are slipping.
 
2011-10-25 07:43:04 AM
indylaw: Xaneidolon: The article was pretty incomplete. It didn't say that the police were unwilling to pay to repair the damages and make things right. What normally happens in these cases? My initial thought is that they'd be liable to unfark things when they were wrong. Is that naive on my part? I have the sick suspicion that it probably is.

The cops and the PD are very rarely responsible for any of their mistakes. They're not going to pay for repairs out of the goodness of their hearts, especially in this economy. The woman could take them to court, but they'll swear up and down on a stack of bibles that they had probable cause based on reliable information that there was a heavily armed man on the property. Even if the court finds that there was no probable cause, the police will get a pass because their mistake in believing that they had probable cause wasn't completely bugfark insane (qualified immunity). They'll also claim immunity based on the grounds that being a cop is hard and you have to make hard decisions.


I just find it amazing that there is not a state law that protects citizens from damage of personal property by the police. Look, no one is perfect and mistakes do happen and admitting that is not being soft on crime nor does it show incompetence...mistakes happen, it is part of the human experience. Offering to fix what damage your fark up caused is not being soft on crime or whatever.

It is unnecessarily burdensome to ask this woman's home owners insurance to cover the damages (even though they probably will). In this case, I think for sake of ease, that she should have her home owners insurance get everything fixed then have them go after the city.
 
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