"We feel that, since the military is required to be let in there, there should be some response" from anti-military recruiters, too, Grueschow said.

He was then eaten by a grue.

I sure hope they pay better than the armed forces.

And then there are days when, just for a little while, I'm proud to be an Oregonian.

For a moment I thought the sign said "BOOBS NOT BOMBS!" Now that's a movement I could get behind.

This stupid. Including you, stupidmitter.

Vindibudd: This stupid. Including you, stupidmitter.

This IS stupid. /ftfm

This is pretty retarded, where are they doing this? oh, never mind, this makes perfect sense.

In other news, military service means you really farking LOVE war.

yeah but do the peace recruiters let you blow stuff up? I think not

or work on three thousand pound bombs? nope

also hippies can suck it not every job in armed services require you to kill.

We don't care what you made on the ASVAB, we don't have a job for you, we can't give any student loans, just don't join the military. Join us and it will work out!

Twits, anyone going military after HS either wants or needs to.

/Went Air Force after 1st year in college, not my thing and got out after one tour but AF paid for a lot and gave me preference when it came to job offers. Did my due, got my perks, paid my $ back. What do you offer?

SoCalSurfer: yeah but do the peace recruiters let you blow stuff up? I think not

They probably dont even let you borrow a rifle that shiats in its own mouth and makes a twanging sound in your ear when you fire it like !@#$%^&* airsoft gun.

Thread jack not intended.

Thank you for your service.

I don't know about the 'peace officers' effectiveness in shaping a person's propensity to join the War machine I hope that they at least shower and present themselves responsibly..

I personally have nothing against the military. Long history of military service in this family. However, I do want the recruiters to quit lying just to meet their quota. I've heard them do it, I've heard of them doing it, and I will always attempt to correct it when I hear it. My opinion is that if they are truly interested in the military they will join it regardless of warts. Believe me, sometimes the idea of hard work and sacrifice can be a selling point; not a negative.

There's nothing wrong with military service, but it's not for everyone. I don't see the harm. But, I suppose if you consider every graduating high school student a potential soldier, you might have a different view.

So we can't call them hippies anymore?

deadcrickets: I personally have nothing against the military. Long history of military service in this family. However, I do want the recruiters to quit lying just to meet their quota. I've heard them do it, I've heard of them doing it, and I will always attempt to correct it when I hear it. My opinion is that if they are truly interested in the military they will join it regardless of warts. Believe me, sometimes the idea of hard work and sacrifice can be a selling point; not a negative.

I visited 5 recruiters prior to joining, and not once was I lied to.

deadcrickets,

Have you ever actually talked to a for really real military recruiter or are you just going by stories you heard from your roommate whose brother was talking to some guy who had to be the gym in 26 minutes?

Recruiters don't lie, not even by omission. For some recruiters it's because they take pride in their job. For others, it's knowing that they might very well be in a foxhole with that recruit someday. And ya, for some recruiters the only thing keeping them in line is the knowledge that if they lie to a recruit, they will get caught.

Recruits in the modern military have to go through too many steps involving too many people with too much verification anymore. A recruit knows if the job they were promised will really be waiting for them because they get paperwork in their hot little hands confirming it. They know where they'll be going for training, and where their first station will be. They also used to know what bonuses they'd get, but there aren't a lot of those around anymore what with the entire freaking military being at or above recruiting goals atm.

devildog123: having never fired a weapon at anything besides the rage

How does one fire weapons at the rage? I have the rage, and it just keeps getting bottled up inside me, and I would like to shoot it, but I do not know how. Please help.

untaken_name: devildog123: having never fired a weapon at anything besides the rage

How does one fire weapons at the rage? I have the rage, and it just keeps getting bottled up inside me, and I would like to shoot it, but I do not know how. Please help.

Seacop: untaken_name: devildog123: having never fired a weapon at anything besides the rage

How does one fire weapons at the rage? I have the rage, and it just keeps getting bottled up inside me, and I would like to shoot it, but I do not know how. Please help.

[www.gerardpas.com image 332x600]

Tried that, now my veins are all collapse-y and it's no fun shooting through my toes anymore.

untaken_name: Seacop: untaken_name: devildog123: having never fired a weapon at anything besides the rage

How does one fire weapons at the rage? I have the rage, and it just keeps getting bottled up inside me, and I would like to shoot it, but I do not know how. Please help.

[www.gerardpas.com image 332x600]

Tried that, now my veins are all collapse-y and it's no fun shooting through my toes anymore.

Then you're not trying hard enough.

Maybe they will get the bonuses up to the point where I would go back (doubtful). Though with my bag of tricks it would be a breeze.

deadcrickets: I personally have nothing against the military. Long history of military service in this family. However, I do want the recruiters to quit lying just to meet their quota. I've heard them do it, I've heard of them doing it, and I will always attempt to correct it when I hear it. My opinion is that if they are truly interested in the military they will join it regardless of warts. Believe me, sometimes the idea of hard work and sacrifice can be a selling point; not a negative.

The US military doesn not use the criteria of warts to keep anyone from joining the service. Flat feet however is another story.

ThreeEdgedSword: RealXavori: deadcrickets,

Have you ever actually talked to a for really real military recruiter or are you just going by stories you heard from your roommate whose brother was talking to some guy who had to be the gym in 26 minutes?

Recruiters don't lie, not even by omission. For some recruiters it's because they take pride in their job. For others, it's knowing that they might very well be in a foxhole with that recruit someday. And ya, for some recruiters the only thing keeping them in line is the knowledge that if they lie to a recruit, they will get caught.

Recruits in the modern military have to go through too many steps involving too many people with too much verification anymore. A recruit knows if the job they were promised will really be waiting for them because they get paperwork in their hot little hands confirming it. They know where they'll be going for training, and where their first station will be. They also used to know what bonuses they'd get, but there aren't a lot of those around anymore what with the entire freaking military being at or above recruiting goals atm.

Recruiters tell you to lie to the MEPS station. That's as recent as 2009. Lord help you if you follow their advice and select a job with the potential to earn a Top Secret clearance.

Yes, there are some dumbass recruiters who will tell you not to say anything about your Asthma, or a sealed juvenile record, they are FEW AND FAR between. Just like with every segement of the population, you have a few douchebags here and there. It's important not to think EVERYONE is, just because of a few assholes. Recruiters who are discovered to have lied face NJP and usually lose a paygrade, are pulled from recruiting duties and are not recomended for advancement.

But don't insinuate that every recruiter sits you down and goes over a list of lies for you to tell.

When will I see the headline "washed-up model washes up"? I'm assuming about 2 or 3 days from now.

Seacop: untaken_name: Seacop: untaken_name: devildog123: having never fired a weapon at anything besides the rage

How does one fire weapons at the rage? I have the rage, and it just keeps getting bottled up inside me, and I would like to shoot it, but I do not know how. Please help.

[www.gerardpas.com image 332x600]

Tried that, now my veins are all collapse-y and it's no fun shooting through my toes anymore.

Then you're not trying hard enough.

Well if you're going to be all critical then you can buy me some red rum because all I can get around here is lemonade.

JackalRabbit: The US military doesn no't use the criteria of warts to keep anyone from joining the service. Flat feet however is another story.

damn

RealXavori: Recruiters don't lie, not even by omission. For some recruiters it's because they take pride in their job. For others, it's knowing that they might very well be in a foxhole with that recruit someday. And ya, for some recruiters the only thing keeping them in line is the knowledge that if they lie to a recruit, they will get caught.

Nonsense, while there are plenty of honest recruiters out there, and I wasn't lied to personally before joining the army, I've heard enough stories from fellow stories about lies their recruiter told them. The least reliable information you can get from your recruiter is probably what your MOS actually entails, unless your recruiter actually is from your MOS.

Seacop: deadcrickets: I personally have nothing against the military. Long history of military service in this family. However, I do want the recruiters to quit lying just to meet their quota. I've heard them do it, I've heard of them doing it, and I will always attempt to correct it when I hear it. My opinion is that if they are truly interested in the military they will join it regardless of warts. Believe me, sometimes the idea of hard work and sacrifice can be a selling point; not a negative.

I visited 5 recruiters prior to joining, and not once was I lied to.

Our local area literally had a recruiter discharged for lying to recruits. Another killed himself due to not hitting quota.

chookbillion: When will I see the headline "washed-up model washes up"? I'm assuming about 2 or 3 days from now.

I'm waiting for that one too. Read it on the union tribune yesterday, interesting story

Gwyrddu: fellow storiessoldiers

FTFM

deadcrickets: Our local area literally had a recruiter discharged for lying to recruits. Another killed himself due to not hitting quota

Yeah, most of those were related to PTSD. and like I said, there's a couple jackasses in every crowd, but they get weeded out.

ThreeEdgedSword: Seacop: ThreeEdgedSword:Recruiters tell you to lie to the MEPS station. That's as recent as 2009. Lord help you if you follow their advice and select a job with the potential to earn a Top Secret clearance.

Yes, there are some dumbass recruiters who will tell you not to say anything about your Asthma, or a sealed juvenile record, they are FEW AND FAR between. Just like with every segement of the population, you have a few douchebags here and there. It's important not to think EVERYONE is, just because of a few assholes. Recruiters who are discovered to have lied face NJP and usually lose a paygrade, are pulled from recruiting duties and are not recomended for advancement.

But don't insinuate that every recruiter sits you down and goes over a list of lies for you to tell.

I have never met a recruiter that didn't feel like a cheap version of Billy Mays.

Um, how many recruiters have you met?

SoCalSurfer: chookbillion: When will I see the headline "washed-up model washes up"? I'm assuming about 2 or 3 days from now.

I'm waiting for that one too. Read it on the union tribune yesterday, interesting story

We can both claim that we didn't submit it with a better headline!
Probably will be the only headline, though.

ThreeEdgedSword: Seacop: ThreeEdgedSword: Seacop: ThreeEdgedSword:Recruiters tell you to lie to the MEPS station. That's as recent as 2009. Lord help you if you follow their advice and select a job with the potential to earn a Top Secret clearance.

Yes, there are some dumbass recruiters who will tell you not to say anything about your Asthma, or a sealed juvenile record, they are FEW AND FAR between. Just like with every segement of the population, you have a few douchebags here and there. It's important not to think EVERYONE is, just because of a few assholes. Recruiters who are discovered to have lied face NJP and usually lose a paygrade, are pulled from recruiting duties and are not recomended for advancement.

But don't insinuate that every recruiter sits you down and goes over a list of lies for you to tell.

I have never met a recruiter that didn't feel like a cheap version of Billy Mays.

Um, how many recruiters have you met?

I can't remember hard numbers exactly. Several in Northern California, a couple in Hawaii, and an office full of them in Houston. They use every sales tactic to get you to sign up. I can't blame them, it IS their job after all. I've just always found it very off putting personally, especially when the chief of one office reinforced his subordinates suggestion that I lie to MEPS.

Well, I'm sorry to hear that a member of the armed forces asked you to lie at MEPS. If I ever see you in person I'll buy you a hamburger.

Seacop: ThreeEdgedSword: Seacop: ThreeEdgedSword: Seacop: ThreeEdgedSword:Recruiters tell you to lie to the MEPS station. That's as recent as 2009. Lord help you if you follow their advice and select a job with the potential to earn a Top Secret clearance.

Yes, there are some dumbass recruiters who will tell you not to say anything about your Asthma, or a sealed juvenile record, they are FEW AND FAR between. Just like with every segement of the population, you have a few douchebags here and there. It's important not to think EVERYONE is, just because of a few assholes. Recruiters who are discovered to have lied face NJP and usually lose a paygrade, are pulled from recruiting duties and are not recomended for advancement.

But don't insinuate that every recruiter sits you down and goes over a list of lies for you to tell.

I have never met a recruiter that didn't feel like a cheap version of Billy Mays.

Um, how many recruiters have you met?

I can't remember hard numbers exactly. Several in Northern California, a couple in Hawaii, and an office full of them in Houston. They use every sales tactic to get you to sign up. I can't blame them, it IS their job after all. I've just always found it very off putting personally, especially when the chief of one office reinforced his subordinates suggestion that I lie to MEPS.

Well, I'm sorry to hear that a member of the armed forces asked you to lie at MEPS. If I ever see you in person I'll buy you a hamburger.

Are you kidding me? My recruiter laughed about hustling me when I went home for the extra leave/recruitment thing. Recruiters lie like every other salesmen: by omission and commission. biatch, please

It would great to see some reporting on who pays for these astroturfers.

Also, why doesn't this article not have the asinine tag?

fromskytonothing: Seacop: ThreeEdgedSword: Seacop: ThreeEdgedSword: Seacop: ThreeEdgedSword:Recruiters tell you to lie to the MEPS station. That's as recent as 2009. Lord help you if you follow their advice and select a job with the potential to earn a Top Secret clearance.

Yes, there are some dumbass recruiters who will tell you not to say anything about your Asthma, or a sealed juvenile record, they are FEW AND FAR between. Just like with every segement of the population, you have a few douchebags here and there. It's important not to think EVERYONE is, just because of a few assholes. Recruiters who are discovered to have lied face NJP and usually lose a paygrade, are pulled from recruiting duties and are not recomended for advancement.

But don't insinuate that every recruiter sits you down and goes over a list of lies for you to tell.

I have never met a recruiter that didn't feel like a cheap version of Billy Mays.

Um, how many recruiters have you met?

I can't remember hard numbers exactly. Several in Northern California, a couple in Hawaii, and an office full of them in Houston. They use every sales tactic to get you to sign up. I can't blame them, it IS their job after all. I've just always found it very off putting personally, especially when the chief of one office reinforced his subordinates suggestion that I lie to MEPS.

Well, I'm sorry to hear that a member of the armed forces asked you to lie at MEPS. If I ever see you in person I'll buy you a hamburger.

Are you kidding me? My recruiter laughed about hustling me when I went home for the extra leave/recruitment thing. Recruiters lie like every other salesmen: by omission and commission. biatch, please

Wait, did he lie to you about it? Or did he make it sound so awesome you had to have it?

"My recruiting force is a professional force. They're not going to step out of line or lie to kids."

No I suppose not but do you tell them what it's like to be mortally wounded? Thousands of miles from home?
or to know what it's like to kill someone? To lose a leg? To be made blind by an IED?
No? I didn't think so.

Tell them what it's like to deal with PTSD every farking day. To have to struggle for treatment as a veteran. To drink your self to death to avoid the dreams.

Not everything is paid for in cash. I've had students paid for by the Guard. They don't really understand that it would have been less expensive to have paid cash for tuition than to have sold their mental health for a few lousy classes and a diploma.

patriotic propaganda has long been in use to influence young Americans. they deserve to know the other side of the story too. IMHO if a citizen is willing to serve in the Armed Forces they should have some damn fine benefits to come home to. have read too many stories of brave warriors that are homeless, hungry, jobless, you name it.

When I made the decision to talk with a recruiter at 19 I already knew I was going to join the military. I talked with two different recruiters, Navy and Marines. I had an ASVAB score of 97 so pretty much guaranteed my pick of jobs while serving.

I told both recruiters that I already knew I was going to join, but just seeking details from each branch. I spoke with an E-8 (Senior Chief) and asked him to tell me the straight-up truth about what I would be getting into, and to my surprise he really did! I knew exactly what to expect, including not having a very difficult time in boot camp because he prepared me for the mindfark that would happen, the physical aspect of Navy boot camp is a joke.

The Marine recruiter assured me I wouldn't ever go to the Middle East (this was in 2006, yeah right...) and kept boasting of the benefits while REALLY downplaying the whole shiatty aspects that makes the Marines the butt of so many jokes. He tried to talk me into being a sniper... Hell nah.

In the end, I suppose neither lied to me, but after I walked out of the Marines office I thought to myself, "Damn, if those guys weren't in the military they would have been destined to be used car salesmen."

I was only in for one enlistment, but in that time I visited 10 different countries, each more beautiful than the last, easily racked up a mid-5 digit savings account while having the most fun in my life thus far, and now currently am getting paid to attended college (tuition paid + housing paid)

Would've re-enlisted if they had kept the $75,000 bonus for my rate but that quickly got reduced to $35,000, then as I was getting out they reduced it to ZERO. Best two decisions of my life; to join, and then get out.

/csb