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2011-10-24 06:35:31 PM
Insurance companies are the scourge of the universe when it comes to paying out valid claims.

My wife was on disability, waiting for a lung transplant (rare autoimmune disorder), and paid her premiums 2 months in advance, by certified mail, on the recommendation of her transplant office coordinator.

When she did get the page to go in for surgery, the doctors were doing all the last minute verifications.. Her insurance company TOLD THE HOSPITAL SHE WAS NOT COVERED FOR THE PROCEDURE, despite her mom having a folder with her policy, the signed and notarized pre-authorization letter, and every receipt, canceled check, and certified mail voucher with signature on it.

Her mother put the insurance rep on speakerphone, started a tape recorder, and asked them to repeat everything they said, after telling the rep that they were being recorded, and making reference to the folder.

There was a lot of "uhhhhh shuffle shuffle chair moving shuffle paper uhhhh" then "Oh, here it is, right here, looks like we had a simple misunderstanding, computer problems, blah blah etc"

Sickening.
 
2011-10-24 07:12:09 PM
Corpse f*ckers. The lot of them.
 
2011-10-24 07:25:23 PM
2wolves: Corpse f*ckers. The lot of them.

It's true, they fark corpses.
 
2011-10-24 07:35:25 PM
upon hearing the news, joplin survivor was heard to exclaim "lord imma buy me a mercedes benz"
 
2011-10-24 07:37:48 PM
MorrisBird: 2wolves: Corpse f*ckers. The lot of them.

It's true, they fark corpses.


that's horrible and disgusting... I wonder if they film it?
 
2011-10-24 07:39:53 PM
thomps: upon hearing the news, joplin survivor was heard to exclaim "lord imma buy me a mercedes benz"

Nice...

Stories like this really make me concerned for all these helpless insurance companies. Imagine, if there was universal healthcare, this poor insurance company wouldn't be in this pickle.
 
2011-10-24 07:40:59 PM
I guess there is such a thing as bad publicity.
 
2011-10-24 07:42:26 PM
fsbilly: thomps: upon hearing the news, joplin survivor was heard to exclaim "lord imma buy me a mercedes benz"

Nice...

Stories like this really make me concerned for all these helpless insurance companies. Imagine, if there was universal healthcare, this poor insurance company wouldn't be in this pickle.


your insinuation has frightened the insurance companies, now they have no choice but to raise rates. you should probably stop criticizing them or they'll be forced to raise them again.
 
2011-10-24 07:43:10 PM
fsbilly: thomps: upon hearing the news, joplin survivor was heard to exclaim "lord imma buy me a mercedes benz"

Nice...

Stories like this really make me concerned for all these helpless insurance companies. Imagine, if there was universal healthcare, this poor insurance company wouldn't be in this pickle.


If we had universal healthcare we'd still be dealing with this crap, except we'd have to deal with faceless bureaucrats worried about going over budget.
 
2011-10-24 07:44:03 PM
BEHOLD THE POWER OF FARK!
 
2011-10-24 07:45:49 PM
Sticky Hands: MorrisBird: 2wolves: Corpse f*ckers. The lot of them.

It's true, they fark corpses.

that's horrible and disgusting... I wonder if they film it?


Film it? I hope so. This is what they do with their families at Thanksgiving
 
2011-10-24 07:46:58 PM
. He had placed three middle-aged men with Down syndrome beneath mattresses, then climbed atop one of the mattresses, to try and protect them. The men died...

So... he smothered some 'tards?


Did he put them all together, and then put the mattresses on top, or did he alternate layers of mattress and 'tard like a big-mac?
 
2011-10-24 07:46:59 PM
Someone once said to me:
"Health insurance companies don't make that much profit; it's only 3%, which is the smallest for most American industries."

I replied:
"I don't think you should make any money off the pain and suffering of others. Besides, that 3% is probably still billions of dollars."


They STFU.
 
2011-10-24 07:47:33 PM
thomps: upon hearing the news, joplin survivor was heard to exclaim "lord imma buy me a mercedes benz"

a mercedes seems like a drop in the bucket to what his procedures cost....
 
2011-10-24 07:47:41 PM
friedlinx: Sticky Hands: MorrisBird: 2wolves: Corpse f*ckers. The lot of them.

It's true, they fark corpses.

that's horrible and disgusting... I wonder if they film it?

Film it? I hope so. This is what they do with their families at Thanksgiving


I'll never look at turkey the same again.
 
2011-10-24 07:49:56 PM
MorrisBird: 2wolves: Corpse f*ckers. The lot of them.

It's true, they fark corpses.


Risky behavior like that will get your coverage pulled.


leevis: If we had universal healthcare we'd still be dealing with this crap, except we'd have to deal with faceless bureaucrats worried about going over budget.

You don't quite understand how single-payer health care works, do you?

"B-b-but... DEATH PANELS!!!"
 
2011-10-24 07:50:13 PM
thomps: upon hearing the news, joplin survivor was heard to exclaim "lord imma buy me a mercedes benz"

...and amends were made that day.
 
2011-10-24 07:51:42 PM
fsbilly: Stories like this really make me concerned for all these helpless insurance companies.

Thank goodness we've bravely forced Americans to buy for profit insurance from these paragons of justice and morality while, of course, maintaining their anti-trust exemption so that no matter how much they collude to drive up prices, nothing can ever be done about it.
 
2011-10-24 07:52:28 PM
It's ridiculous that you have to embarrass insurance companies into paying legitimate claims.
 
2011-10-24 07:52:34 PM
HellRaisingHoosier: Someone once said to me:
"Health insurance companies don't make that much profit; it's only 3%, which is the smallest for most American industries."

I replied:
"I don't think you should make any money off the pain and suffering of others. Besides, that 3% is probably still billions of dollars."


They STFU.


If they made no profit they wouldn't sell a product at all and we would all be uninsured.
 
2011-10-24 07:53:11 PM
friedlinx: Sticky Hands: MorrisBird: 2wolves: Corpse f*ckers. The lot of them.

It's true, they fark corpses.

that's horrible and disgusting... I wonder if they film it?

Film it? I hope so. This is what they do with their families at Thanksgiving

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
was not a documentary of what happens when you don't have AAA and try to call your insurance company for a tow.
 
2011-10-24 07:55:49 PM
leevis: fsbilly: thomps: upon hearing the news, joplin survivor was heard to exclaim "lord imma buy me a mercedes benz"

Nice...

Stories like this really make me concerned for all these helpless insurance companies. Imagine, if there was universal healthcare, this poor insurance company wouldn't be in this pickle.

If we had universal healthcare we'd still be dealing with this crap, except we'd have to deal with faceless bureaucrats worried about going over budget.


Wait, I always get confused on this stuff...

The bureaucrats with faces ignore budgetary constraints and spend their way into the stratosphere with $450 hammers and the like, but the faceless are the nitpicking death panely ones?

Just want to be clear.

crispe.org
GIS: Faceless Bureaucrats
 
2011-10-24 07:57:37 PM
"Upon further review, the insurance company agreed to cave to public outcry and bad publicity to appear to make good on his claim. They released a statement saying that additional information came to light and his claims became valid for legal reasons".

^^what the statement really meant.

"The Joplin survivor who defied odds of surviving a tornado while trying to save 3 adult mental patients has suffered numerous broken bones, loss of all teeth, and a 2 month coma while incurring $2.5 million in medical expenses. His claims for workers compensation were agreed to by his insurer, Accident Fund Insurance Company of America."

^^how the original article should have gone.

These awful insurance corps just do damage control and never own up to the large expenses without a ton of denials first. The only thing that makes me not lose TOTAL faith in humanity is the rarely successful use of the power of public shame. But I'll be honest, I pretty much have lost all of it. If the insurance company actually learns the error of their ways beyond the financial loss, I could agree that mankind isnt completely awful. That's a big mythical 'if' though.
 
2011-10-24 07:58:18 PM
Loren: HellRaisingHoosier: Someone once said to me:
"Health insurance companies don't make that much profit; it's only 3%, which is the smallest for most American industries."

I replied:
"I don't think you should make any money off the pain and suffering of others. Besides, that 3% is probably still billions of dollars."


They STFU.

If they made no profit they wouldn't sell a product at all and we would all be uninsured.


3.bp.blogspot.com

I expect great things from this post...

/hot
 
2011-10-24 08:00:34 PM
UsikFark: friedlinx: Sticky Hands: MorrisBird: 2wolves: Corpse f*ckers. The lot of them.

It's true, they fark corpses.

that's horrible and disgusting... I wonder if they film it?

Film it? I hope so. This is what they do with their families at Thanksgiving

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre was not a documentary of what happens when you don't have AAA and try to call your insurance company for a tow.


You are correct, that film was called The Hills Have Eyes.
 
2011-10-24 08:00:35 PM
FTFA: "Upon further review of the case bad publicity, and receiving additional information on the facts involved in this situation bad publicity, Accident Fund believes the appropriate decision is is forced to honor Mr. Mark Lindquist's claim for worker's compensation benefits in order to save face in the light of all this bad publicity," Mike Britt, president of the Lansing, Mich.-based insurance company, said. "We are ^still committed to working with Mr. Lindquist to ensure he receives all the benefits to which he is entitled and helping him to recover from his injuries screwing everyone else over, so don't go thinking we've gone soft or anything."

FTFT.
 
2011-10-24 08:02:37 PM
Sticky Hands: MorrisBird: 2wolves: Corpse f*ckers. The lot of them.

It's true, they fark corpses.

that's horrible and disgusting... I wonder if they film it?



Thats an absolute disgusting lie! They use a video camera
 
2011-10-24 08:07:42 PM
Yee haw! Publicity. Is there anything it can not do?

The company's argument seemed to be basically "You suffered nothing that people we did not insure did not suffer, so we're not paying."

You see, his problem was that he opted for your Basic No Pay Insurance Option. It's a good bargain as long as you never make a claim. But you get nada in the event of making a claim.

Too lazy to look up Monty Python Insurance Sketch and post it today. There will be other days when I do post it.
 
2011-10-24 08:09:39 PM
FTFA: He had placed three middle-aged men with Down syndrome beneath mattresses, then climbed atop one of the mattresses, to try and protect them.

The men died. Lindquist survived but ran up medical bills in excess of $2.5 million. He worked in a job paying barely above minimum wage and couldn't afford medical insurance.


I know everyone is going to automatically bash the insurance company but the three men died. Maybe the insurance company takes a stance against rewarding failure. Now if this guy was a real American he would have known enough to secure that mattress with his bootstraps. Besides, it's his own fault working at a job paying barely above minimum wage... or wait... is working minimum wage jobs now a real American thing... I can never keep this stuff straight.
 
2011-10-24 08:10:54 PM
Gyrfalcon: I guess there is such a thing as bad publicity.

Yep. From the previous thread:

MadCat221: 'Grats, Workman's Comp office. You just stepped on a PR landmine.

And yep.
 
2011-10-24 08:12:11 PM
It's workers' comp insurance. They pay the bare minimum and they're still denying this poor man coverage. As has been stated earlier, corpse farkers.
 
2011-10-24 08:12:29 PM
Cool. I sent Blue Cross Blue Shield Michigan a very tasteful letter expressing my utter disgust with their position. Then I cc'ed the California state Attorney General and my Congresswoman, Nancy Pelosi.
 
2011-10-24 08:15:19 PM
Ghastly: FTFA: He had placed three middle-aged men with Down syndrome beneath mattresses, then climbed atop one of the mattresses, to try and protect them.

The men died. Lindquist survived but ran up medical bills in excess of $2.5 million. He worked in a job paying barely above minimum wage and couldn't afford medical insurance.


I know everyone is going to automatically bash the insurance company but the three men died. Maybe the insurance company takes a stance against rewarding failure. Now if this guy was a real American he would have known enough to secure that mattress with his bootstraps. Besides, it's his own fault working at a job paying barely above minimum wage... or wait... is working minimum wage jobs now a real American thing... I can never keep this stuff straight.


If the three guys hadn't chosen to be mentally retarded, Lindquist wouldn't have needed to put himself in the position of working such a low-paying job to save them. They would have been able to save themselves, and he could have taken a higher paying job with better benefits and thus been able to afford better insurance when he was severely injured saving someone who really needed saving.
 
2011-10-24 08:15:22 PM
The Flexecutioner: "Upon further review, the insurance company agreed to cave to public outcry and bad publicity to appear to make good on his claim. They released a statement saying that additional information came to light and his claims became valid for legal reasons".

^^what the statement really meant.

"The Joplin survivor who defied odds of surviving a tornado while trying to save 3 adult mental patients has suffered numerous broken bones, loss of all teeth, and a 2 month coma while incurring $2.5 million in medical expenses. His claims for workers compensation were agreed to by his insurer, Accident Fund Insurance Company of America."

^^how the original article should have gone.

These awful insurance corps just do damage control and never own up to the large expenses without a ton of denials first. The only thing that makes me not lose TOTAL faith in humanity is the rarely successful use of the power of public shame. But I'll be honest, I pretty much have lost all of it. If the insurance company actually learns the error of their ways beyond the financial loss, I could agree that mankind isnt completely awful. That's a big mythical 'if' though.


See, the problem with this, is that we assume these kinds of claims never get approved. The only reason we know about this case is that it WASN'T approved.

Do you really think there would be a news article if his claim was approved from the get-go? Of course not. Even if there was an article about it, they probably wouldn't even mention the company by name, if they even mentioned he was covered by insurance at all. There could be hundreds of extraordinary cases like these, where the insurance company does the right thing, but we aren't going to know about those because they are not outrageous or otherwise newsworthy.
 
2011-10-24 08:17:01 PM
Sticky Hands: MorrisBird: 2wolves: Corpse f*ckers. The lot of them.

It's true, they fark corpses.

that's horrible and disgusting... I wonder if they film it?


Absolutely nauseating. Especially when they do those close ups.

Fap, fap, fap, fap.
 
2011-10-24 08:24:05 PM
FTFA:
"Upon further review of the case, and receiving additional information on the facts involved in this situation, Accident Fund believes the appropriate decision is to honor Mr. Mark Lindquist's claim for worker's compensation benefits,"


IOW, they ran into a total shiatstorm from the public and the state workers comp officials had a nice "come to Jesus" talk with them about how their denial was in violation of multiple sections of the workers comp statutes. It probably ended with the state officials advising them that if they didn't reverse the denial the state would not only be investigating every gaaadam denial and questionable decision, assessing double penalties for each violation they find, but also barring them from ever doing business in the state for the rest of the decade.
 
2011-10-24 08:25:11 PM
Loren: If they made no profit they wouldn't sell a product at all and we would all be uninsured.

Great! Without insurance artificially driving up the cost of health care, it would force medical companies to charge what things are really worth! No more $80 advils or $3000 a night hospital stays. Sounds good to me.
 
2011-10-24 08:25:47 PM
Gyrfalcon: Ghastly: FTFA: He had placed three middle-aged men with Down syndrome beneath mattresses, then climbed atop one of the mattresses, to try and protect them.

The men died. Lindquist survived but ran up medical bills in excess of $2.5 million. He worked in a job paying barely above minimum wage and couldn't afford medical insurance.


I know everyone is going to automatically bash the insurance company but the three men died. Maybe the insurance company takes a stance against rewarding failure. Now if this guy was a real American he would have known enough to secure that mattress with his bootstraps. Besides, it's his own fault working at a job paying barely above minimum wage... or wait... is working minimum wage jobs now a real American thing... I can never keep this stuff straight.

If the three guys hadn't chosen to be mentally retarded, Lindquist wouldn't have needed to put himself in the position of working such a low-paying job to save them. They would have been able to save themselves, and he could have taken a higher paying job with better benefits and thus been able to afford better insurance when he was severely injured saving someone who really needed saving.


Oh my god! Do you mean there were defenceless billionaires that went unsaved from this tornado? How can the richest nation in the world sleep at night knowing such things are possible?
 
2011-10-24 08:27:26 PM
leevis: If we had universal healthcare we'd still be dealing with this crap, except we'd have to deal with faceless bureaucrats worried about going over budget.

Speaking as someone with universal health care I would really be interested in knowing who and where these "faceless bureaucrats" are. I probably used $150-200 thousand in health care last year (kidney stones -- three different scans, specialists, ER visit, visits to family doctor) and at no point was I ever told that the treatments weren't covered or that I'd have to get a cheaper procedure. My dad got a new hip (titanium) a couple of years ago and a new heart valve (bovine) this year. Again...probably a few hundred thousand in services and nobody ever went through his treatment plans with a red pen or a highlighter.

Who told you about these faceless bureaucrats and did they give you any specific examples of these peoples' work? Or are they along the same lines as Rush Limbaugh's Canadian patient who is forced to see a doctor in the Yukon or who has to wait for six months to see a GP? Y'know.....fictional?
 
2011-10-24 08:31:57 PM
ussually,only the outrageously wrong doings get press,when folks do right its ussually just marked off as DOING THIER JOB! seriously though,health insurers are a buncha creeps,collecting fees and doing whatever they can to avoid paying claims,and raising rates at an unreasonable rate when ever the wind blows. health care in this country is exspensive in this country BECAUSE OF THE INSURANCE COMPANYS!
 
2011-10-24 08:32:05 PM
An insurance company's first flaw: They assume they are there to make money.
Their second flaw: The assume they always *will* make money.

/insurance should be generally non-profit
//can't live in the world without it, hence the "generally"
 
2011-10-24 08:33:06 PM
He had placed three middle-aged men with Down syndrome beneath mattresses, then climbed atop one of the mattresses, to try and protect them.

...

He sought workers' compensation, claiming he was injured on the job. His company's workers' compensation provider, Accident Fund Insurance Company of America, denied the claim in June "based on the fact that there was no greater risk than the general public at the time you were involved in the Joplin tornado," according to a letter from a claims adjuster.


Umm, he was doing his job, which would also include trying to move such patients out of a burning building if such a need arose. He risked his safety to try to protect his charges, for which he is normally compensated with a paltry wage.

If he had gone to seek shelter for himself and disregarded his duties we wouldn't be talking here. Well, at least at that point the insurance company could claim he was obviously not discharging his duties at the time of injury.
 
2011-10-24 08:39:44 PM
Alonjar: $3000 a night hospital stays. Sounds good to me.

Well that sounds good to me too. But, where do you find a hospital stay for $3000 a night? Do you still have both kidneys?
 
2011-10-24 08:40:42 PM
Loren: HellRaisingHoosier: Someone once said to me:
"Health insurance companies don't make that much profit; it's only 3%, which is the smallest for most American industries."

I replied:
"I don't think you should make any money off the pain and suffering of others. Besides, that 3% is probably still billions of dollars."


They STFU.

If they made no profit they wouldn't sell a product at all and we would all be uninsured.


No, the officers and executives at the insurance companies make bank, as in huge sums of money. The average worker makes decent, competitive salaries and wages. After all that, after all the costs to buy and maintain a cool looking office building, after marketing costs, after schmoozing costs, after company picnics, and after all that, the company nets a 3% profit. So yeah, there will be plenty of people wanting to working in this business even if the corporate profit is close to 0%. Stockholders might not like it, but who cares?
 
2011-10-24 08:46:50 PM
Virulency: thomps: upon hearing the news, joplin survivor was heard to exclaim "lord imma buy me a mercedes benz"

a mercedes seems like a drop in the bucket to what his procedures cost....


That's at least two Maybachs...
 
2011-10-24 08:53:28 PM
porterm: ussually,only the outrageously wrong doings get press,when folks do right its ussually just marked off as DOING THIER JOB! seriously though,health insurers are a buncha creeps,collecting fees and doing whatever they can to avoid paying claims,and raising rates at an unreasonable rate when ever the wind blows. health care in this country is exspensive in this country BECAUSE OF THE INSURANCE COMPANYS!

You know who else was just doin thier jobs?
 
2011-10-24 09:18:45 PM
Insurance companies take your money. They do this, according to their contract, to offer you assistance to pay for unforeseen events and their deleterious consequences. They even tell you how much you will be paid on a per event basis. Insurance companies then hire entire room full of people to make sure that you never see a penny and they get to keep your money. Then they raise your rates. Insurance companies, by and large, are bookies who refuse to pay off. And the government is doing everything they can to make it mandatory for you to give them your money.
 
2011-10-24 09:19:29 PM
Atheist_Republican: There could be hundreds of extraordinary cases like these, where the insurance company does the right thing, but we aren't going to know about those because they are not outrageous or otherwise newsworthy.

Just as there were many millions of kids who John Wayne Gacy didn't bury in his crawl space.
Why don't we ever hear about them?
 
2011-10-24 09:25:29 PM
Would like a word:

i521.photobucket.com

Now
 
2011-10-24 09:33:16 PM
In other words the agency comptroller said, "I think we'll look for another Worker's Compensation insurance firm at the end of your contract" And the insurance company rolled over like the good little dog it is.

Good for this guy, sounds like he got a raw deal all around, and with lifelong injuries such as he has he'll at least be able to pay off the bills.
 
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