Well, obviously you common folks wouldn't understand this.

/be gentle

This would make sense if I didn't so profoundly loathe me.

Narcissists are compensating for their own insecurities? The hell you say!

Whaaaa?

I can sexually satisfy any woman on the planet.

Am I over confident?

So, from the psychologists:
If you have high self esteem you are confident.
If you over confident you have low self esteem.
If you are under confident you have low self esteem.

fark them all, have a beer and chill the fark out.

Does that mean my low self-esteem is compensation for something?

Maybe low self esteem manifests itself in many ways or many combination of ways and the complexity of the human psyche renders simple answeres to difficult questions effectively useless.

blackmtnmantheonly: I can sexually satisfy any woman on the planet.

Am I over confident?

No, just filthy rich.

I knew a very narcissistic guy once who'd get drunk and start talking about what piece of shiat he was, how his parents had never loved him, stuff like that. It was freaky as hell.

/He was also a huge asshole and tried to have me arrested when I stopped being his friend.

Whatever. I know I'm average at best.

unlikely: Yahoo's pop-overs have just made me resolve never to click another Yahoo link.

Never? That's a pretty confident statement.

girljen: Whatever. I know I'm average at best.

And that's the sound of zip, zero, zilch profile clicks.

The Dunning-Kruger Effect (new window), for your reading pleasure.

With narcissism that makes sense...they can't have actual self-esteem because they build their whole lives around an identity that's created, not based on actions or worth.

/dated a narcissist
//almost pulled me down with him
///cheating bastard!

\no comment

RedEmily: Maybe low self esteem manifests itself in many ways or many combination of ways and the complexity of the human psyche renders simple answeres to difficult questions effectively useless.



Then why am I paying my therapist?

So, what if I have low self esteem (I do) and I'm not overconfident at all?

Ackbar_GastricFluid: The Dunning-Kruger Effect (new window), for your reading pleasure.

While my first thought, this is a little different. The overconfident are consciously hiding low opinions of self by boasting. As I understand Dunning-Kruger, the incompetent are unaware because little experience and knowledge makes identifying how little one knows or is capable of difficult; the more you know, the more you realize how little you know. It is interesting how overconfidence may result from both recognizing and not recognizing incompetence.

I have my skills there are things I currently can not do and some things I will never be able to do, but I accept that instead of dwelling on it.

Eh. I can't believe this is still a debate. I think the idea that narcissists really hate themselves deep down is just wishful thinking.

I have no actual criticism of the research, but I'm going to hold to my opinion anyway.

RexTalionis:
No offense, but after hearing your other stories, it seems that crazy assholes seem to congregate near you. I'm sorry (seriously) about that.

None taken. I've known an awful lot of them. Way more than my share. But notice I GTFaway from this one--and that's been the fate of every one since then.

/why don't I have any friends?

Vega must be one sad serial killer.

/street fighter

Obviously not all apparent narcissism comes from self-hate, but a hell of a lot of it does.

CSB -- I had a completely tyrannical gay boss fighting to get his partner benefits and subsequently fired all other gay employees. Then he hired the biggest uncle tom second in command, who fired all of the minorities. Self-hate much?

Yeah, I'm gonna go along with Irish Farmer up there and posit that truly narcissistic people aren't overcompensating for anything. They really do believe they're awesome, despite what is almost always no evidence to support that opinion. They don't have low self-esteem. They're just assholes with absolutely no self-awareness. Or no negative self-awareness, ie, they only hear the shiat that people say about them that's complimentary and magically manage to not hear anything that's the slightest bit critical. They dismiss those who disagree with them with words like jealous, hater, negative, etc.

I don't know how people get like this. Bad parenting? Stupidity? Mental illness, like when anorexic chicks look in the mirror and see fat? I dunno.

I always thought I was a narcissist, though I'm not overconfident. I just like looking at myself (and I'm not even good-looking).

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: So, what if I have low self esteem (I do) and I'm not overconfident at all?

The take-home from this is that there seems to be little correlation between self-worth and projected self-worth.

There also seems to be little correlation between projected-self-worth and actual worth. Who the hell doesn't know someone who genuinely seems to believe they're the greatest thing since sliced bread with double-smoked bacon, and yet is pretty much a net-zero waste of metabolism?

As far as narcissists go, they're probably my least favorite people on the planet due to their lack of self-awareness. Most of them don't have anything to back up their self-esteem and those that do have the talent/looks/intelligence whatever to back up their self-esteem are usually so obnoxious that no one can stand to be around them anyway.

I don't really understand our society's obsession with self-esteem. If I know that I suck, why is it a bad thing to admit that I suck? It's considered a taboo to acknowledge reality. It's funny how people look down on those who acknowledge their own shortcomings which only perpetuates those feelings of shortcomings. The world would be a better place if people realized how terrible they really are. There would be a sense of humbleness and humility that just doesn't exist much anymore since we're all brainwashed into thinking we have to sell ourselves or think of ourselves as special snowflakes.

impaler [TotalFark] Quote 2011-10-24 05:15:10 PM
The key word is OVER confidence. If you're farking awesome as shat, and confidant as hell, you're merely confident. If you suck arse, and are confidant as hell, THEN you're overconfident.

Stop trying to confuse Farkers with logic.

Recently handed my boss my self-evaluation, saying, "Here's my declaration of awesomeness", so I'm getting a kick...

/Really? Our raises are tied to Medicaid cost-of-living increases?
//And there's no cost-of-living increases this year? Huh...
///So no raise at all, no matter how well I perform, means I should take a self-eval seriously because...?
/Oh yeah, and this (new window)

Ackbar_GastricFluid: The Dunning-Kruger Effect (new window), for your reading pleasure.

it's so easy to spot the good students in some threads. you're my fark hero of the day.