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(NPR)   "In the back at Whole Foods, they're offloading all the produce from huge plastic containers into those individual-looking cardboard boxes, which by the way did not come from 'Patty's Farm.'"   (npr.org) divider line 259
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2011-10-24 03:31:21 PM

Bizarro: This crap is why I grow most of my own vegetables and have learned to can and pickle.


This is the only real reason I'd ever want to be a homeowner again. I don't think my landlord would be thrilled if I ripped out his landscaping to fill my backyard with raised beds.
 
2011-10-24 03:31:46 PM

Mr. Hotcakes: I sell my locally made cheese into a single Whole Foods store, as do other small producers I know. WF treats me very well, and has helped me out a lot. As for the majority of what they sell, I have no idea. But they made a big effort to work with this particular little guy.


Mmmm, bathtub cheese.
 
2011-10-24 03:33:08 PM
Here in Watfington, they tried to pass a law that you had to actually grow the food you sell at farmer's markets.

Charlie's and Husky's went completely sideways, and it went down in flames.

But I have no problem buying wine from the vineyards.
 
2011-10-24 03:33:14 PM

M2MM: No one sells "fresh-picked" produce - it's all a week old. The only way to guarantee you are eating something fresh is to have your own garden.


Want to bet? I often shop a local farmers market up in the mountains and the produce there is always fresh. Locals in farming areas won't buy old, stale produce if they know that some other farmer always has it fresh. I like to buy beans and greens from a fellow who grows them on his mall farm and sells them off the back of his truck. His offerings are picked the day before he sells them.

But you have to be careful about the farmers markets that some towns put up in a square or a park. There's one near me and most of the vendors aren't farmers and just run down to the Dekalb farmers market and buys the same stuff the supermarkets buy.

But don't expect this from a supermarket. Most of their produce is several weeks old by the time you buy it. It is genetically altered crap that looks pretty, ships well and has a long shelf-life. All this is at the expense of nutrition and taste.
 
2011-10-24 03:33:41 PM

AcneVulgaris: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And yet the produce is still a million times better than Walmart or most other big box grocery chains.

Despite coming out of the same plastic bins.


No way, dude. Interestingly enough, all of the produce that Walmart sells really DOES come from Patty's Farm.
 
2011-10-24 03:34:15 PM
Whole Foods has the only meat counter in my area which has fresh, bison chuck. Their hot bar and bakery are pretty good too, but other than those, I don't shop there.
 
2011-10-24 03:34:20 PM

jbuist: This text is now purple: what do pesticides have to do with soil, rain, and sun conditions?

Growing the same thing in the same field year after year can lead to a higher population of bugs living in that soil which eat said plants.

Learned that while researching pumpkin farming the other week. Either rotate your crops (1 year on, 2 off for pumpkins) or I guess spray the fark out of them.


That has nothing to do with the proper conditions and everything to do with poor farming technique.

As in, techniques we figured out in the Dark Ages.
 
2011-10-24 03:35:22 PM

headstone: FTFA: "He pointed to a recent British study that looked at pregnant women who watched a particular television show. The results showed that babies born to those women who watched the show had a stronger preference for the program than those children whose mothers did not watch the show while pregnant."


My mom must have watched an awful lot of porn when she was pregnant...


I heard she also made some just before getting pregnant.
 
2011-10-24 03:35:38 PM

Bagelox-99: Buy your veg

vag at the cheapest place you can find where it's not brown, soft or shriveled.

Sound advice.
 
2011-10-24 03:36:04 PM
Frozen vegetables: cheap and easy. Like your mom.
 
2011-10-24 03:36:21 PM

jjorsett: Pfft. A couple of the local seafood restaurants have their fish delivered in this picturesque boat by a bearded sea dog, who loaded it on a pier a few miles away after the restaurant bought it from the local fish wholesaler.


I'm surprised they don't have the seamen from Deadliest Catch hand deliver and sign each and every fish.
 
2011-10-24 03:37:06 PM

SonOfSpam: Bagelox-99: Buy your veg vag at the cheapest place you can find where it's not brown, soft or shriveled.

Sound advice.


Racist, though. Whether that means it's still sound or not I leave up to the individual consumer.
 
2011-10-24 03:37:21 PM
I rarely go to Wal-Mart except for my prescriptions. I get a 3 month supply for $4 and CVS or Walgreens can't touch that. I just hate going to Wal-Mart because of the got-damned idiots that shop there. But Wal-Mart will source as much local produce as possible, as it does cut down on shipping charges and that cuts down on cost.

We usually shop the local Sweet Bay because the GF prefers it. They at least list where their produce comes from (ex. grapes from Chile)

Whenever possible, we shop at a local Greek deli. The guy sources as much of his produce locally as he can, and he will tell us exactly where any of his produce was sourced from if we ask. His Gyros are teh bomb too.
 
2011-10-24 03:37:28 PM

meat0918: Whole Foods won't do that. Eugene, Oregon told them if they wanted one where they wanted to put it (right in downtown), they would need to do have parking above or underneath. Whole Foods pulled out.


I hadn't heard of places doing that before until another grocery store chain was looking at going in the same general area and one of the concepts was with a parking lot underneath

Houston, sometimes we have too much available land
 
2011-10-24 03:38:18 PM

OnlyM3: Possibly contains nsfw language, I honestly don't remember.


When I remodeled my kitchen this last year, I put in a reverse osmosis filtration system. When my cabinets came I had to disconnect it for a few days while I installed the cabinets. I could definitely taste the difference.
 
2011-10-24 03:41:33 PM

Bizarro: This crap is why I grow most of my own vegetables and have learned to can and pickle.


Yeah, my garden gets bigger every year. Soon I'm going to need a bigger freezer and a new set of shelves in the storeroom. My only problem lately is finding inexpensive lids for Ball jars.

I regularly travel through eastern NC. Most farms used to have a little stand out front. We're talking huge farms here, several hundred acres of veggies, another hundred of pecan trees, and so on. I always stopped at a couple that, over the years, had become favorites of mine.

Over the years that list of favorite stands has gotten smaller and smaller. You'd stop at a stand sitting next to a huge field of pumpkins and discover that the pumpkins for sale came from South Carolina. Or a stand just down the road from the biggest peach orchard in NC and find that the peaches came from Georgia. Melons from Florida. Honey from Tennessee. The only stand I now patronize is one that sells sweet potatoes outside of Columbia, NC. And they will even lend you a potato fork if you want to dig your own in the field next to the stand.

It really must be cheaper or at least more cost-efficient to haul this stuff in from all over the southeast to sell it to tourists traveling on Hwy 64. Beats the hell out of me.

/friends don't let friends eat shrimp from Peru
 
2011-10-24 03:42:05 PM
Another illusionist cashing in on the retarded like these new electric vehicles. WTF do you think the electricity comes from to charge them? That dirty coal plant down the farking street dumbasses, but keep telling yourself you are saving the planet.
 
2011-10-24 03:44:55 PM

Snarfangel: stpauler: I'd recommend that book, Brandwashed, it's a pretty entertaining read.

Is there a generic version available?


Is it locally grown?
 
2011-10-24 03:45:25 PM

Sardonic_Padre: [www.joshhylton.com image 535x792]


Why did they not put the names of the actors under the pictures of the actors? I mean, I know it's bc they had to list them in that order (star power order), but...off-putting.
 
2011-10-24 03:45:37 PM

cefm: "The story is probably very different," Lindstrom says.

In other words he has no PROOF of his statement. I don't doubt that it's accurate, but any arsehole can make base-less statements that sound likely. That's not what journalism is supposed to be about though.


Came here to see if anyone caught that. I was actually gonna think about buying the book until I got to that sentence. If he's just making shiat up because he thinks it's "probably" true, I'm not interested.
 
2011-10-24 03:46:03 PM

dustlesswalnut: Morning Coffee: The thing about Stanley's is that the produce is likely to go bad before you can use it, even if you try to get stuff that doesn't look so beat up.

/Tony's Finer Foods FTW

I've had this experience far more often with the Ukrainian Village Dominick's (holy shiat is it expensive, maybe more so than Whole Foods) and the Jewel on Ashland near Milwaulke than I have from Stanley's. If you buy a lot of produce, you're going to wind up with stuff going bad.

Moved here recently, never heard of Tony's; we'll have to check it out.


The closest Tony's to the Jewel you mentioned is on Elston, off Irving Park. Mr. Morning Coffee & I went there a week or two ago and had a field day. We would've bought less stuff if we weren't so thrilled with the prices and had to stock up on some pantry staples.

That Jewel is right near where I live, and I haven't really had any problems with their produce. It's kind of expensive, though.
 
2011-10-24 03:50:44 PM
I'm pretty sure that stores get meat and produce from different suppliers, or handle it differently. I've noticed that some grocery stores around me have better fruits and vegetables, and they last longer. Wal-Mart is never on the good list. Even with all the volume they have "fresh" food won't last a week for me.
 
2011-10-24 03:50:50 PM

JesseL: A Terrible Human: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And yet the produce is still a million times better than Walmart or most other big box grocery chains.

Have you never seen a fruit stand or farmers market? shiat at least with those you know they were locally grown.

You do?

Unless you're picking it yourself from plants that are actually growing in the ground, you don't really know shiat.


Not true.
Our farmers market here in Raleigh North Carolina have an entire building set aside for ONLY North Carolina grown crops.
It is FULL every day with farmers and their families selling what is in season at that time of year.
How do I know that it is ONLY North Carolina grown produce, flowers and plants?
The farmers police themselves.

If a farmer tries to sneak in items that are not from North Carolina then the other farmers who are selling know and will force them to stop.
It is in their best interest to enforce this because they are in direct competition with each other.

There are other buildings at the farmers market that sell produce from out of state but this building (the most populated one) is only locally (in state) produced.

/Tomatoes all year long fresh and $.0.99 / lb
//When the strawberries and peaches are both there in the spring it smells GREAT!
/// And yes they have collard greens, black eyed peas, turnips, sweet potatoes and green peanuts FTW
 
2011-10-24 03:52:00 PM
hbk72777Aldi's blows away everyone including Walmart for cheap produce.

FTFY.

Around here, they make Food Lion look like farking Dean&Deluca.
 
2011-10-24 03:52:55 PM

moops: When I want to blow my entire paycheck on stuff that will make me feel smug, I go to Whole Foods.


When I want to feel smug, I look down on people for where they shop.
 
2011-10-24 03:53:47 PM
Whole Paycheck

That pretty much says it all
 
2011-10-24 03:55:12 PM

hutchkc: "The story is probably very different," Lindstrom says. " In the backside of the store, they're offloading all those bananas from huge plastic containers, most likely flown in the day before, into those individual-looking cardboard boxes, which by the way is not 'Patty's Farm.'


I don't shop there nor care, but the initial part of the sentence tells me guy doesn't know and is just making assumptions to fit his belief. It wouldn't surprise me either way, but I wouldn't take this guys word for it as he obviously doesn't know.


Pretty much this. Sounds like he is just pulling banana's (or is it pickles?) out his arse.
 
2011-10-24 03:56:08 PM
Dora.

Doesn't like it, doesn't watch it and walks away from the TV if it happens to come on. But does she want the boots with her on, the show bag etc etc etc.
 
2011-10-24 03:56:48 PM

AcneVulgaris: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And yet the produce is still a million times better than Walmart or most other big box grocery chains.

Despite coming out of the same plastic bins.


It could, and still be different. For example, maybe Whole Foods gets the stuff 2 weeks after picking, while Walmart gets them 3 weeks after.

All I know is when I go to Whole Foods the produce is fresh and tastes good. I don't care who made it, and I don't care if it's organic. When I go to another supermarket, you've got a 50/50 shot at getting soft peppers or melons with a bit of rot in them.
 
2011-10-24 04:01:35 PM

matto22: Wow! I can't believe they use marketing to sell their products... Man what's next? Do they plan on tracking buyers behavior?


Actually, no.

Back in the late 90's they tried to do the standard "sign up for a ________ card to get sale prices" that every other grocery store does to track buying habits, spent a couple million getting it set up, released it...and scrapped the idea a week later when everyone started biatching about it.
 
2011-10-24 04:02:28 PM
No shiat the crates are just for show.

For people who are allegedly into sustainability and all that, I'd be FURIOUS if the fruit actually came in those little wooden crates. Those things tend to break down pretty quickly and aren't incredibly sanitary.

Ideally, they'd be getting the fruit in plastic containers, which the producer takes back with the next shipment. The bins are then washed and sanitized, and then reused.

Much, MUCH greener than cardboard boxes or archaic wooden crates.
 
2011-10-24 04:04:43 PM

plewis: Maybe if you live in Hawaii or something, but I don't think bananas grow anywhere in the US - they are tropical plants


I have a banana tree and I live in MT. It is still a baby though (year and a half) and won't product anything for a few years yet, but it is growing like crazy.

It is in a container and kept inside year round though with extra heat and humidity in the winter. There are some varieties of trees that are cold hardy enough for Southern states to grow I think.
 
2011-10-24 04:04:44 PM

loonatic112358: They use up a large amount of land creating essentially yet another big box store with acres of parking lot, all the while pretending to be green

/When I saw the Montrose Whole foods market I was struck by how hypocritical they are. I would have thought they'd have made a multistory store with parking above or beneath it to minimize the footprint of the building


Yeah, what's a couple million dollars in extra construction and maintenance costs when you're trying to be green? I'm sure that underground parking garage would pay for itself by attracting customers who will only shop in stores that spend huge amounts of money to minimize their footprint.

/everyone deserves to be fed
 
2011-10-24 04:08:14 PM

JesseL: A Terrible Human: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And yet the produce is still a million times better than Walmart or most other big box grocery chains.

Have you never seen a fruit stand or farmers market? shiat at least with those you know they were locally grown.

You do?

Unless you're picking it yourself from plants that are actually growing in the ground, you don't really know shiat.


I am a level 5 vegan and i pocket mulch
 
2011-10-24 04:10:33 PM
I can vouch for Green Bean delivery quality wise.
They buy from local growers, they're picky about what they accpept and from what I understand farmers love them in most cases and are glad to let them take the cream of the crop.

Could all be market hype BS, but the stuff that they deliver to me is absolutely better than what you can get at whole foods/meijers/krogers/wallmart etc..

I'm also lucky that the house I'm buying has about 30 major farms (most with "walk in" stores) between me and work :)
 
2011-10-24 04:11:35 PM

asmodeus224: I am a level 5 vegan and i pocket mulch


Heh, you're gonna enjoy this then...

The Myth of the 'Ethical Vegan' (new window)
 
2011-10-24 04:11:49 PM
Most of the time the produce in WF is either really overpriced or a day from going bad. I don't think I've ever picked up produce from there.

Now the meat counter on the other hand - I've forsworn all other bacons after trying their black forest and dry rub ones. They also make a mean burger that I like better than the ones I make myself (and end up spending about as much on).

The rest of it I can take or leave, but they do at least a couple things right...if pricey.
 
2011-10-24 04:12:16 PM

hatelabs: I can vouch for Green Bean delivery quality wise.
They buy from local growers, they're picky about what they accpept and from what I understand farmers love them in most cases and are glad to let them take the cream of the crop.

Could all be market hype BS, but the stuff that they deliver to me is absolutely better than what you can get at whole foods/meijers/krogers/wallmart etc..

I'm also lucky that the house I'm buying has about 30 major farms (most with "walk in" stores) between me and work :)


Oh,.. I guess that's just for us Midwest Farkers,...
(midwest? aren't we mid east/great lakes?) Never got "midwest"

Green B.E.A.N. delivery (new window)
 
2011-10-24 04:13:25 PM

Poison: Reverend Monkeypants: Just an FYI:
People who are actually into health food don't shop at Whole Foods.
Only smug farkers do.
They don't know any better.

/former healthfood store manager/buyer

Just left Whole Foods, as a matter of fact, on my never-ending quest for Ben and Jerry"s Schweddy Balls ice cream (of course they didn't have it-can't find it anywhere). Had to carefully sidestep all the soccer moms getting out of the Range Rovers that came for their afternoon wine fix.

Have some friends in N. Cal. that work an organic farm and live an organic lifestyle. Not the fake stuff in Whole Foods, where the produce looks an awful lot like the produce at any chain grocery store.


Organic foods. The biggest scam of all.
 
2011-10-24 04:14:30 PM
You guys suck at reading comprehension. He is comparing the front and back of the store. He is saying that there is probably a difference in the back of the store because they aren't always cutting fresh flowers in the front but they probably are cutting fresh flowers.
 
2011-10-24 04:15:30 PM

hatelabs: Never got "midwest"


I thought midwest = "middle of the western hemisphere"

Which is why when they say there's "Turmoil in the Middle East" they're talking about Iraq, not Indiana
 
2011-10-24 04:16:23 PM
hungrytravels.com

One of the best parts about living in this area
 
2011-10-24 04:17:58 PM

TheDeathMerchant: hatelabs: Never got "midwest"

I thought midwest = "middle of the western hemisphere"

Which is why when they say there's "Turmoil in the Middle East" they're talking about Iraq, not Indiana


I thought it was legacy from when "the West" was still unsettled,...so this was as west as it got. Someone needs to run a patchfix on location names and geography.
/Instanbul
 
2011-10-24 04:23:45 PM
Whole Paycheck relies on their self-created myth that they are somehow interested in the planet or altruistic economics.
In fact, they are one of the most vehemently profit-motivated, anticompetition companies that has come along in recent memory.
 
2011-10-24 04:24:23 PM

hatelabs: TheDeathMerchant: hatelabs: Never got "midwest"

I thought midwest = "middle of the western hemisphere"

Which is why when they say there's "Turmoil in the Middle East" they're talking about Iraq, not Indiana

I thought it was legacy from when "the West" was still unsettled,...so this was as west as it got. Someone needs to run a patchfix on location names and geography.
/Instanbul


Incidentally, I pulled the old globe out, Chicago and the like are pretty much smack-dab in the middle of the western hemisphere.

On the other hand, the "middle east" by that definition, lies over India and western Russia
 
2011-10-24 04:26:47 PM

squidgod2000: Yeah, what's a couple million dollars in extra construction and maintenance costs when you're trying to be green? I'm sure that underground parking garage would pay for itself by attracting customers who will only shop in stores that spend huge amounts of money to minimize their footprint./everyone deserves to be fed


And they do

The particular store I was biatching about is in a higher income area

plus it's Whole Foods, they ain't exactly cheap to begin with, I'm sure their customers could afford it.

Now if it were Krogers that's be a little different
 
2011-10-24 04:27:02 PM

RembrandtQEinstein: [hungrytravels.com image 640x480]

One of the best parts about living in this area


i bet the cat is fresh.
 
2011-10-24 04:31:51 PM

mcwehrle: "The story is probably very different," Lindstrom says. " In the backside of the store, they're offloading all those bananas from huge plastic containers, most likely flown in the day before, into those individual-looking cardboard boxes, which by the way is not 'Patty's Farm.'

"It's actually been designed by a graphic design company in New York City to make us feel this is nostalgia at its peak."

Everyone keeps getting on the "probably" when the answer to that is in the very next paragraph. He's not lying...it's true. There IS NO PATTY'S FARM.


Are we sure? He doesn't cite anything for saying it's made up by some design company in NYC. It is conceivable, not saying it's true, that he was just using that as an example it's hard to say since he didn't say which design company came up with the logo. I'm not saying he;s lying I just can't make up my mind based on his words, which is what we should do right?

All in all this is underwhelming news, stores use tactics to get you to buy stuff. No kidding.
 
2011-10-24 04:32:18 PM
Whole foods is bullsh*t.

But, if yuppies really want to pay $9 for a bag of hamburger buns...land of the free and all that.
 
2011-10-24 04:33:18 PM
I'll stick with Tacoma Boys thank you very much.
 
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