Smug dbags will spend more, eat less, enjoy less, and still die like the rest of us.

I'll take 3 baconators, tyvm.

"The story is probably very different," Lindstrom says. " In the backside of the store, they're offloading all those bananas from huge plastic containers, most likely flown in the day before, into those individual-looking cardboard boxes, which by the way is not 'Patty's Farm.'

"It's actually been designed by a graphic design company in New York City to make us feel this is nostalgia at its peak."

Everyone keeps getting on the "probably" when the answer to that is in the very next paragraph. He's not lying...it's true. There IS NO PATTY'S FARM.

LarryDan43: AcneVulgaris: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And yet the produce is still a million times better than Walmart or most other big box grocery chains.

Despite coming out of the same plastic bins.

Yes. Because the guys opening the plastic bins at walmart left the bin in the sun for 3 days.

Well the guys at Whole Foods peed in it.

phalaeo: Now, pesticide spraying.... that's something you don't want to know about, lol. Most of you guys don't even know close to the truth on that one, and you're better off that way

"I work for the U.S. Mint on a farm. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do. Cuz some Farkers belive anything they hear."

They have a decent selection, so I'll occasionally go to Whole Foods to build my own six pack. I really can't justify spending x amount more on the same shiat I could get at Kroger though.

I used to work on an organic co-op farm once a week. Wasn't a bad setup; we did 3-4 hours of work and got to take as much produce as we could carry for payment. The produce was always excellent, but the owners always charged at least $2-3 more than I could get at the grocery store. No way I'd ever actually buy any of it.

A Terrible Human: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And yet the produce is still a million times better than Walmart or most other big box grocery chains.

Have you never seen a fruit stand or farmers market? shiat at least with those you know they were locally grown.

I bought some strawberries from a fuit stand in New Hampshire once. The berries on top looked nice and sweet and juicy, but all the ones underneath were about 2 weeks old and shriveled. The guy selling them probably bought them all at Walmart.

kvinesknows: lennavan: JesseL: Because someone who would buy produce at the supermarket and sell it for a 200% markup at the famer's market would never lie about it.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to see that someone on Fark is posting multiple comments on a subject he/she clearly knows nothing about.

I love that you think the farmer's market is more expensive. Teehee.

you have not been to the Farmers Markets around me if you DONT think they are more expensive.

Same here. We went because I heard the ol' "support your local growers". People were charging almost double for what the stores get.

Well I'll be dawged

"The story is probably very different," Lindstrom says. " In the backside of the store, they're offloading all those bananas from huge plastic containers, most likely flown in the day before, into those individual-looking cardboard boxes, which by the way is not 'Patty's Farm.'

Translated: "I don't have any facts to back this up, but..."

When I worked there we got bananas in fairly standard-size cardboard boxes. Not sure where this huge plastic container concept came from, unless it's new. As for the Patty's Farm boxes, we didn't have those either, though I don't think there's anything devious about it. Gotta put 'em in something.

A Terrible Human: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And yet the produce is still a million times better than Walmart or most other big box grocery chains.

Have you never seen a fruit stand or farmers market? shiat at least with those you know they were locally grown.

It's funny because you think it's true.

Old_Chief_Scott: I think you just want to make yourself sound smart....


...says the guy making an accusatory statement with no followup information or facts relating to the topic being questioned.

/ don't know a thing about pesticides
// except that they make my food less buggy

Isildur: FTFA: In writing his book, Lindstrom carried out his own experiment. He hired a family - called the Morgensons - from Laguna Beach, Calif., and filmed them as they had friends over from the neighborhood and talked about 10 specific brands they were using. Their mission was to frequently mention these brands without letting their guests know of their secret motive.

stpauler: I'd recommend that book, Brandwashed, it's a pretty entertaining read.



wow, that was good. I totally almost went out and read that book.

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: find in other

You must not know how to cook.

(pops)

I have a copy of Buy-ology in my "to process" stack. I'm debating if I should read that or start digging into my Edgar Rice Burroughs "John Carter of Mars" books.

I haven't been buying much of anything, for personal use, lately. As a professional shopper I find retail therapy unhelpful.

kvinesknows: lennavan: JesseL: Because someone who would buy produce at the supermarket and sell it for a 200% markup at the famer's market would never lie about it.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to see that someone on Fark is posting multiple comments on a subject he/she clearly knows nothing about.

I love that you think the farmer's market is more expensive. Teehee.

you have not been to the Farmers Markets around me if you DONT think they are more expensive.

The farmer's market's near you must be total rip offs then.

30-60% cheaper than any big stores where I am.

We don't even have a Whole Paycheck, only a little Fresh Market. Lots of big chain stores and walmart though.

The correct term for selling overpriced crap to NPR liberturds is GREENWASHING. Anything that will make those people think that what you're selling is locally produced, "organic," not that there are inorganic foods, or artisanal is money in your pocket and Mothers and Whole Foods make out like bandits.

The biggest scam was "organic" honey which they had to stop labeling when people pointed out that bees couldn't tell the difference between pesticide and nonpesticide treated blossoms.

JesseL: A Terrible Human: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And yet the produce is still a million times better than Walmart or most other big box grocery chains.

Have you never seen a fruit stand or farmers market? shiat at least with those you know they were locally grown.

You do?

Unless you're picking it yourself from plants that are actually growing in the ground, you don't really know shiat.

why all the hate for hydroponics?

lennavan: JesseL: Because someone who would buy produce at the supermarket and sell it for a 200% markup at the famer's market would never lie about it.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to see that someone on Fark is posting multiple comments on a subject he/she clearly knows nothing about.

I love that you think the farmer's market is more expensive. Teehee.

I can take you to plenty of farmer's markets that are selling produce for more than the local supermarket (NoVA/MD area). The produce is more varied and often superior (tomatoes, for example), but also more expensive. They know the DC suburbs have cultivated a "smug locavore/foodie" stereotype and they are setting their prices accordingly.

/there are alternatives though

OscarTamerz: The correct term for selling overpriced crap to NPR liberturds is GREENWASHING. Anything that will make those people think that what you're selling is locally produced, "organic," not that there are inorganic foods, or artisanal is money in your pocket and Mothers and Whole Foods make out like bandits.

The biggest scam was "organic" honey which they had to stop labeling when people pointed out that bees couldn't tell the difference between pesticide and nonpesticide treated blossoms.

"liberturds?" 1/10, man. Try harder. (Or, you know, don't try at all. That would be even better.)

Sardonic_Padre: [www.joshhylton.com image 535x792]

This was already covered in Fight Club.

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I have to say, I bought some chicken noodle soup from Whole Foods the other day that was pretty much the best I ever had, including the stuff I make myself. Much better ingredients than you could find in other store brand soups.

I got it a few times last winter.

Shoulda been labeled onion soup.

I sell my locally made cheese into a single Whole Foods store, as do other small producers I know. WF treats me very well, and has helped me out a lot. As for the majority of what they sell, I have no idea. But they made a big effort to work with this particular little guy.

Brew78: ...says the guy making an accusatory statement with no followup information or facts relating to the topic being questioned.

...says the guy unfamiliar with the meme.

Roughing The Snapper: When visiting family in North Dakota a couple of years back, my uncle took us on a tour of the potato-bagging factory where he worked. Locally grown potatoes all from the same fields were bagged into about seven different companies' bags. Different bags, same potatoes. You are paying for a label, not a better potato.

When my dad was in college, he worked at a pie factory. They sold the pies to multiple firms who charged vastly different prices for their respective brands.

"I've got one that can see."


Personally, while I suspect his book may have some decent highlights, I think he's way too loose with the facts. I doubt two lawyers showed up the first day to "sue" him over his "yard legoland" and I seriously doubt the causation between a pregnant mother watching a TV show and the kid eventually liking the show. His comments about Whole Foods are not even specific - he just goes on about what "big stores do" and how they are "probably" doing that themselves. I don't doubt that they probably do most of what he talks about, but he's way too lazy in just selling his book for me to believe he put much effort into writing it.

The fact that he's so lazy is probably the largest indicator that he understands marketing at all

Well I guess if you are too much of a moran to figure it all out, that is your issue.

I've even seen farm stands/farmers markets selling non local stuff. I think they pass it off onto people who don't know what is in season locally or never leave the city. Sure that corn is local... umm southern NJ is local I mean it's walking distance if you try walking for a week on end.

I go to whole foods because its always full of hot biatches.

Roughing The Snapper: When visiting family in North Dakota a couple of years back, my uncle took us on a tour of the potato-bagging factory where he worked. Locally grown potatoes all from the same fields were bagged into about seven different companies' bags. Different bags, same potatoes. You are paying for a label, not a better potato.

There is such a thing as grade.

You can get USDA Prime and USDA Choice from cows that grew uo next to each other.

Whole Foods makes up (stupid) folksy sounding farm names to decorate their produce section. Do people really look at that and see it as anything that decoration?



Do they believe that this little girl runs an lemonade empire because they saw it on TV?


The folksy approach to marketing is pretty well known at this point. Nothing to see here.

A Terrible Human: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And yet the produce is still a million times better than Walmart or most other big box grocery chains.

Have you never seen a fruit stand or farmers market? shiat at least with those you know they were locally grown.

... usually with all sorts of pesticide and fertilizers to get things to grow where the soil, rain, and sun conditions aren't right for the crop. Then, of course, they likely ship them in small batches and the purchasers are likely traveling further to go to the market, as markets are not as ubiquitous as grocery stores, thus tossing out much greater amounts of CO2 per unit of produce.

"We even are affected by brand messages before we are born, while we are in the womb," he says.

Oh shut up.

syberpud: lennavan: JesseL: Because someone who would buy produce at the supermarket and sell it for a 200% markup at the famer's market would never lie about it.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to see that someone on Fark is posting multiple comments on a subject he/she clearly knows nothing about.

I love that you think the farmer's market is more expensive. Teehee.

I can take you to plenty of farmer's markets that are selling produce for more than the local supermarket (NoVA/MD area). The produce is more varied and often superior (tomatoes, for example), but also more expensive. They know the DC suburbs have cultivated a "smug locavore/foodie" stereotype and they are setting their prices accordingly.

/there are alternatives though

Ya, it all depends whether your farmer's market was an actual place farmer's went to sell their goods prior to the recent trend; or a one-day-a-week thing that springs up in an area where people like to go shopping because it's convenient and/or trendy.

i work next to the whole foods HQ in austin, reminds me of a south park episode.

Rev. Skarekroe: lennavan: I love that you think the farmer's market is more expensive. Teehee.

Good point, didn't think to call him on that one.
I've paid for a bag of farmer's market peppers with pocket change.

Come to Ottawa sometime. I'm not paying six dollars for a bunch of carrots.

AcneVulgaris: LarryDan43: AcneVulgaris: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And yet the produce is still a million times better than Walmart or most other big box grocery chains.

Despite coming out of the same plastic bins.

Yes. Because the guys opening the plastic bins at walmart left the bin in the sun for 3 days.

Well the guys at Whole Foods peed in it.

Probably, which means we should pay better attention to those handling our meat.

Sardonic_Padre: [www.joshhylton.com image 535x792]

Nice idea, but that movie farking sucked.

Flakeloaf: Rev. Skarekroe: lennavan: I love that you think the farmer's market is more expensive. Teehee.

Good point, didn't think to call him on that one.
I've paid for a bag of farmer's market peppers with pocket change.

Come to Ottawa sometime. I'm not paying six dollars for a bunch of carrots.

Seriously-- there are some farmer's markets that are great, but the majority of the ones you see popping up around the suburbs are incredibly expensive.

In Chicago, the Oak Park Farmer's Market comes to mind-- ridiculously expensive produce. (Damn-good donuts, though.)

A local produce retailer will be far more affordable than a farmer's market, and it will be available year round.