Actually we tend to float.

Numbers of jolly fat people having heart attacks at 40 vs. numbers of stressed out joggers having heart attacks at 40

FIGHT!

Not surprising. Despite running up much higher annual costs than healthy people, obese people tend to die very young, which means the total lifetime costs are probably about the same.

IgG4: So just keep eating fatty...

Done and done.

elleonheels: Aside from the chance of getting run over by a bus, my life expectancy is well into the 80s now. Should I live past that, wouldn't my old age and the cost of keeping me alive be more expensive than someone who keels over at age 65 from obesity-related illness?

Exercise Science says yes

fatties fall over dead earlier, thus being less of a burden

BULLshiat.

Bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat.

Every fat person I know has loads and loads of health issues.... and dont even get me started on how much fatties diabetes treatments add to insurance premiums...

Just 15% more healthcare usage than thin people, so not an avalanche...

/of nacho cheese.

The system might need further reinforcement?

But we can still hate them for not being pretty, right?

elleonheels: Aside from the chance of getting run over by a bus, my life expectancy is well into the 80s now. Should I live past that, wouldn't my old age and the cost of keeping me alive be more expensive than someone who keels over at age 65 from obesity-related illness?

Except for the medical cost, higher insurance premiums, and cost in food.

RexTalionis: "Dr. Randy Fransoo, the study's lead researcher, said he was "very surprised" to find obese people visit doctors, go to hospitals or take prescribed medications only 15 percent more often than thinner people."



Since when is a 15% increase insignificant in a potentially trillion-dollar+ healthcare system? If I went to the doctor 100 times a decade (for simplicity sake, I'd be happy to rid myself of the cost of 15 of those visits.)

You fattie-haters are confused and/or moronic. Obese in the US and Canada means anywheres from 190 - 250 according to the BMI (that retarded thing from the Japanese or Chinese, can't remember which). I'm considered obese at 207. I don't have diabetes. I don't know how close I would be to heart issues, but I don't have any and my cholesterol is at a good level.

How often do I visit a doctor? Once to never a year. Why? Because I don't have as many issues as some people, even people who are "healthier" or... skinnier as most people put it, than I.

/Plus those doctor visits are probably doing worse than anything says I.
//Sitting in a room full of sick people getting stressed out over a physicial or vaccine.

What a load.

Alonjar: BULLshiat.

Bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat.

Every fat person I know has loads and loads of health issues.... and dont even get me started on how much fatties diabetes treatments add to insurance premiums...

RexTalionis: This:

"Dr. Randy Fransoo, the study's lead researcher, said he was "very surprised" to find obese people visit doctors, go to hospitals or take prescribed medications only 15 percent more often than thinner people."

Does not imply this:

"(UPI) -- A Canadian study on obesity found overweight people are not at greatly higher risk of bad health than people of normal weight."


I'd also like to point out that while they may only account for 15% more visits and prescriptions written... this says nothing about the cost related to said visits. A triple bypass surgery will count as a "visit" just the same as someone getting their dandruff problem looked at. A fattie might get a lipitor prescription, and it gets counted the same as someone getting prescripton shampoo for said dandruff problem.

Tatsuhiko: You fattie-haters are confused and/or moronic. Obese in the US and Canada means anywheres from 190 - 250 according to the BMI (that retarded thing from the Japanese or Chinese, can't remember which). I'm considered obese at 207. I don't have diabetes. I don't know how close I would be to heart issues, but I don't have any and my cholesterol is at a good level.

How often do I visit a doctor? Once to never a year. Why? Because I don't have as many issues as some people, even people who are "healthier" or... skinnier as most people put it, than I.

/Plus those doctor visits are probably doing worse than anything says I.
//Sitting in a room full of sick people getting stressed out over a physicial or vaccine.

You sound fat!

Tatsuhiko: You fattie-haters are confused and/or moronic. Obese in the US and Canada means anywheres from 190 - 250 according to the BMI (that retarded thing from the Japanese or Chinese, can't remember which). I'm considered obese at 207. I don't have diabetes. I don't know how close I would be to heart issues, but I don't have any and my cholesterol is at a good level.

How often do I visit a doctor? Once to never a year. Why? Because I don't have as many issues as some people, even people who are "healthier" or... skinnier as most people put it, than I.

/Plus those doctor visits are probably doing worse than anything says I.
//Sitting in a room full of sick people getting stressed out over a physicial or vaccine.

You don't sound fat.

/BMI is bullshiat, you know that, right?

Alonjar: BULLshiat.

Bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat.

Every fat person I know has loads and loads of health issues.... and dont even get me started on how much fatties diabetes treatments add to insurance premiums...

Did you just try to fight science with the power of anecdote?

Aidan: Alonjar: BULLshiat.

Bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat.

Every fat person I know has loads and loads of health issues.... and dont even get me started on how much fatties diabetes treatments add to insurance premiums...

Did you just try to fight science with the power of anecdote?

Did you just call statistic manipulation science?

ok, they're still farking disgusting though, and i'd rather my children not have to see that.

Bruxellensis: Tatsuhiko: You fattie-haters are confused and/or moronic. Obese in the US and Canada means anywheres from 190 - 250 according to the BMI (that retarded thing from the Japanese or Chinese, can't remember which). I'm considered obese at 207. I don't have diabetes. I don't know how close I would be to heart issues, but I don't have any and my cholesterol is at a good level.

How often do I visit a doctor? Once to never a year. Why? Because I don't have as many issues as some people, even people who are "healthier" or... skinnier as most people put it, than I.

/Plus those doctor visits are probably doing worse than anything says I.
//Sitting in a room full of sick people getting stressed out over a physicial or vaccine.

You don't sound fat.

/BMI is bullshiat, you know that, right?

What? BMI is bullshiat? I hope this isn't a troll, lol.

But I thought BMI was chart that tell if you are fat or not. Is there seriously something wrong with it?

proteus_b: ok, they're still farking disgusting though, and i'd rather my children not have to see that.

this is the illegal immigration thread, right?

Fark_Guy_Rob:

What? BMI is bullshiat? I hope this isn't a troll, lol.

But I thought BMI was chart that tell if you are fat or not. Is there seriously something wrong with it?


Well, technically there is... BMI does not account properly for muscle mass. Someone who has a lot of muscle will be considered overweight, even though they are actually very fit.

Alonjar: Aidan: Alonjar: BULLshiat.

Bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat.

Every fat person I know has loads and loads of health issues.... and dont even get me started on how much fatties diabetes treatments add to insurance premiums...

Did you just try to fight science with the power of anecdote?

Did you just call statistic manipulation science?

Here's the thing, health care costs the most in the later years of life.



Fatties, as a group, do not survive to the later years of life. Same goes for smokers, which is why smokers overall do not tax the system. They cost more money earlier on, but they die and they die quickly. Hurray!

So now your anecdotal experience can be harmonized with reality. Fatties have more ailments but die sooner and that's why you are both right.

Health problems caused by being an anemic vegan vs. health problems caused by being obese... GO!

I know that this removes some of your ammunition for hating fat people, but don't worry, someone will have something to counter this soon enough. Then you can feel justified and all that. Isn't it bad enough fat people don't like being fat?

Lligeret: ...are they idiots, 15% is a crap ton more.

Overall average annual cost per capita for health care in Canada is around $5,600 (where the study was done). Obese people cost 15% more, $6,440 per year, which is $840 dollars more per person.

There are an estimated 4.5 million obese (not overweight but obese) people in Canada.

4.5million x 840 = $3,780,000,000 nation wide

$3.8 billion a year is not a small burden, actually I would say that is a rather heavy burden

Then there are US studies suggesting that "Rising obesity will cost U.S. health care $344 billion a year (new window)"

Fark_Guy_Rob: What? BMI is bullshiat? I hope this isn't a troll, lol.

But I thought BMI was chart that tell if you are fat or not. Is there seriously something wrong with it?

BMI is usually right, but not for very muscular people who are, let's face it, pretty rare these days. Regardless, because it has limitations applying to the extremely fit, very fat people feel at liberty to call it horsesh*t.

Lligeret: ...are they idiots, 15% is a crap ton more.

Overall average annual cost per capita for health care in Canada is around $5,600 (where the study was done). Obese people cost 15% more, $6,440 per year, which is $840 dollars more per person.

There are an estimated 4.5 million obese (not overweight but obese) people in Canada.

4.5million x 840 = $3,780,000,000 nation wide

$3.8 billion a year is not a small burden, actually I would say that is a rather heavy burden

You are assuming fat people live as long as normal weight people. You know that, right? And you know your assumption is wrong, don't you?

Bruxellensis: Tatsuhiko: You fattie-haters are confused and/or moronic. Obese in the US and Canada means anywheres from 190 - 250 according to the BMI (that retarded thing from the Japanese or Chinese, can't remember which). I'm considered obese at 207. I don't have diabetes. I don't know how close I would be to heart issues, but I don't have any and my cholesterol is at a good level.

How often do I visit a doctor? Once to never a year. Why? Because I don't have as many issues as some people, even people who are "healthier" or... skinnier as most people put it, than I.

/Plus those doctor visits are probably doing worse than anything says I.
//Sitting in a room full of sick people getting stressed out over a physicial or vaccine.

You don't sound fat.

/BMI is bullshiat, you know that, right?

Oy. Not this argument again.

BMI is good for garnering statistics on large, diverse populations. In that regard, it is not bullshiat, but rather a very useful tool for epidemiology.

Nobody seriously suggests basing an individual's entire lifestyle (diet, exercise, occupation, leisure activities, and medical care) on a single number, be it BMI, blood pressure, LDL cholesterol, or shoe size.

Stop using BMI as a straw-man. If your build and muscle mass put you into the 'obese' range of BMI, even though you are actually healthy, then use your personal anecdote to help explain to people what BMI really means and how its used. Who gives a fark what Dr. Oz says in his 10-second sound bite?

If you actually are a fatty, then stop saying "BMI is bullshiat, BMI is bullshiat". Put down the Cheetos and get your ass off the couch.

lennavan
So now your anecdotal experience can be harmonized with reality. Fatties have more ailments but die sooner and that's why you are both right.


When various statistical quirks are harmonized fat people are actually skinny.

Fark_Guy_Rob: Bruxellensis: Tatsuhiko: You fattie-haters are confused and/or moronic. Obese in the US and Canada means anywheres from 190 - 250 according to the BMI (that retarded thing from the Japanese or Chinese, can't remember which). I'm considered obese at 207. I don't have diabetes. I don't know how close I would be to heart issues, but I don't have any and my cholesterol is at a good level.

How often do I visit a doctor? Once to never a year. Why? Because I don't have as many issues as some people, even people who are "healthier" or... skinnier as most people put it, than I.

/Plus those doctor visits are probably doing worse than anything says I.
//Sitting in a room full of sick people getting stressed out over a physicial or vaccine.

You don't sound fat.

/BMI is bullshiat, you know that, right?

What? BMI is bullshiat? I hope this isn't a troll, lol.

But I thought BMI was chart that tell if you are fat or not. Is there seriously something wrong with it?

It's BS. You can't look at a chart to find out if you're obese. I lift weights, so I weigh more than the average person my height. It doesn't account for what kind of weight it is. Muscle mass? Fat? Water? My BMI might match that of a couch potato, but I look nothing like one.

factoryconnection: Fark_Guy_Rob: What? BMI is bullshiat? I hope this isn't a troll, lol.

But I thought BMI was chart that tell if you are fat or not. Is there seriously something wrong with it?

BMI is usually right, but not for very muscular people who are, let's face it, pretty rare these days. Regardless, because it has limitations applying to the extremely fit, very fat people feel at liberty to call it horsesh*t.

Aye. Honestly BMI is fine for anyone but decently sized men (in my opinion, YMMV, etc). And frankly if you're 50 lb over you don't need BMI to tell you that you're fat. Quibbling about it is just silly at that point. But if you're a guy maybe 6' or over and have a medium to large frame and it's claiming you need to be 185 to be healthy... Eh... I'd ask a doctor instead.

busy chillin': lennavan
So now your anecdotal experience can be harmonized with reality. Fatties have more ailments but die sooner and that's why you are both right.

When various statistical quirks are harmonized fat people are actually skinny.

Har. :P

I'm in a biggest loser competition right now, and... Yikes. I think I'm the second-lightest? This is more than a little frightening, cause I ain't skinny. I don't know where it comes from. Do super-fat people avoid going outside? I guess I do as well, but wow.

"BMI is bullsh*t."

FrancoFile: If your build and muscle mass put you into the 'obese' range of BMI, even though you are actually healthy, then use your personal anecdote to help explain to people what BMI really means and how its used. Who gives a fark what Dr. Oz says in his 10-second sound bite?

If you actually are a fatty, then stop saying "BMI is bullshiat, BMI is bullshiat". Put down the Cheetos and get your ass off the couch.

That's about it, really.

If you compare us against the rest of the First World, prevalence of *every* condition, including porkitude, makes only a tiny difference in our health care spending.

Part of that is because we're spending 2-3x as much per person. Another is that obesity just isn't that pricey, compared to cancers and shiat.

FrancoFile: Bruxellensis: Tatsuhiko: You fattie-haters are confused and/or moronic. Obese in the US and Canada means anywheres from 190 - 250 according to the BMI (that retarded thing from the Japanese or Chinese, can't remember which). I'm considered obese at 207. I don't have diabetes. I don't know how close I would be to heart issues, but I don't have any and my cholesterol is at a good level.

How often do I visit a doctor? Once to never a year. Why? Because I don't have as many issues as some people, even people who are "healthier" or... skinnier as most people put it, than I.

/Plus those doctor visits are probably doing worse than anything says I.
//Sitting in a room full of sick people getting stressed out over a physicial or vaccine.

You don't sound fat.

/BMI is bullshiat, you know that, right?

Oy. Not this argument again.

BMI is good for garnering statistics on large, diverse populations. In that regard, it is not bullshiat, but rather a very useful tool for epidemiology.

Nobody seriously suggests basing an individual's entire lifestyle (diet, exercise, occupation, leisure activities, and medical care) on a single number, be it BMI, blood pressure, LDL cholesterol, or shoe size.

Stop using BMI as a straw-man. If your build and muscle mass put you into the 'obese' range of BMI, even though you are actually healthy, then use your personal anecdote to help explain to people what BMI really means and how its used. Who gives a fark what Dr. Oz says in his 10-second sound bite?

If you actually are a fatty, then stop saying "BMI is bullshiat, BMI is bullshiat". Put down the Cheetos and get your ass off the couch.

Not using as a strawman, and I'm not fat. See my previous post. I think that people basing anything solely on BMI is foolish, and it's good for just about nothing. Besides perhaps statistics, which don't apply to anyone on an individual basis. People using BMI to state whether or not they're "fat" is just ridiculous.

Alonjar: Fark_Guy_Rob:

What? BMI is bullshiat? I hope this isn't a troll, lol.

But I thought BMI was chart that tell if you are fat or not. Is there seriously something wrong with it?


Well, technically there is... BMI does not account properly for muscle mass. Someone who has a lot of muscle will be considered overweight, even though they are actually very fit.

BMI also does not properly account for the very tall.

It's a terrible metric for much of anything, really. It's not even unit-consistent.

This text is now purple: It's a terrible metric for much of anything, really. It's not even unit-consistent.

i agree, what's the SI unit for "lardasses per human soul" ?

Some of you internet beautiful people are going to be in for a real surprise as you age. You can do everything right and still end up chunky. It's called disease/accident/normal aging process, and it ain't for the sqeemish kiddies.

As for fatties costing more, my insurance surcharges me for being overweight. My blood sugar, blood pressure and cholesterol are in the healthy range too. ( Could be the genes. Prolly the vegetarianism and exercise.)

Just something to think about. Please resume your usual fat thread.

They don't weigh it down. They smother it.