That's good Mr. President. Now if you had only done this in say 2009 you'd still have both houses of Congress and a clear shot to a 2nd term.

"Bait" now being defined as "proposing legislation that is not hostile to the poor".

Dinki: WTF Indeed: That's good Mr. President. Now if you had only done this in say 2009 you'd still have both houses of Congress and a clear shot to a 2nd term.

This. Obamas biggest mistake was after getting the stimulus package passed, which he and everyone else knew was way too small, sitting back and crossing his fingers hoping the economy would rebound. Instead of that ridiculous no-win fight for HCR, he should have been talking jobs-jobs-jobs.

Health care costs were also a major issue for a lot of people, especially in these hard times.

Obama's problem was he couldn't have anticipated the public buying into so much of the GOP's propaganda and the tea party gaining so much influence.

Dinki: WTF Indeed: That's good Mr. President. Now if you had only done this in say 2009 you'd still have both houses of Congress and a clear shot to a 2nd term.

This. Obamas biggest mistake was after getting the stimulus package passed, which he and everyone else knew was way too small, sitting back and crossing his fingers hoping the economy would rebound. Instead of that ridiculous no-win fight for HCR, he should have been talking jobs-jobs-jobs.


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Dinki: Instead of that ridiculous no-win fight for HCR, he should have been talking jobs-jobs-jobs.

Yea, that horrible, bleak, lost-cause fight for HCR that resulted in the most sweeping healthcare reform we've seen in decades.

WTF Indeed: That's good Mr. President. Now if you had only done this in say 2009 you'd still have both houses of Congress and a clear shot to a 2nd term.

So many Teatards would have cried "Dictatorship!" Well, more than there already was, anyway.

Dinki: WTF Indeed: That's good Mr. President. Now if you had only done this in say 2009 you'd still have both houses of Congress and a clear shot to a 2nd term.

This. Obamas biggest mistake was after getting the stimulus package passed, which he and everyone else knew was way too small, sitting back and crossing his fingers hoping the economy would rebound giving the Republican congress a chance to not act like sh*tbag whores for the billionaires.. Instead of that ridiculous no-win fight for HCR, he should have been talking jobs-jobs-jobs declaring a state of emergency and sending the national guard to arrest banksters and their shills.

FIFM

GAT_00: Slightly torn on this because of the precedent this sets. It's good, but the precedent is bad.

The 'precedent' depends heavily on what methodology he's actually using.

Just a god damn piece of paper, amirite?

GAT_00: Slightly torn on this because of the precedent this sets. It's good, but the precedent is bad.

It doesn't set any precedent. All it says is that the President made mistakes early in his term, and the Republicans have backed themselves into a corner on any legislation with a hint of bi-partisanship.

Alright, so we all know that Obama's leftist policies have failed. The stimulus was a disaster; Obamacare cost us over one trillion dollars yet major provisions are being stripped constantly because of its infeasability. The bank regulations have failed and don't address the point (what does capping overdraft fees have to do with predatory lending? enjoy your $5 debit cost now).

With that said, I'm genuinely curious as to how the left plans on growing the economy? Green jobs? Gimme a break. What leftist policies could actually help the economy grow? This is exactly why Obama and the democrats in 2012 cannot actually campaign on what they're going to do, they're going to viciously attack republicans because that's all they've got.

Shaggy_C: Just a god damn piece of paper, amirite?

Better to stretch the bounds of that paper than to tie our hands and continue doing nothing at all.

This headline is not really accurate. Perhaps a moderator can strike it from the Politics page.

Dinki: that ridiculous no-win fight for HCR

Speak for yourself. Earlier this year, there was a period I wouldn't have had health insurance if it wasn't for HCR.

Sock Ruh Tease: So many Teatards would have cried "Dictatorship!" Well, more than there already was, anyway.

They did during the New Deal. In fact the Supreme Court yelled SOCIALISM! a lot, but FDR put people to work and it made democrats look like the party that cared about the working class, because they were at least fighting to create jobs. Politics is not hard, it's only the will to do it that is.

m2313: Alright, so we all know that Obama's leftist policies have failed. The stimulus was a disaster; Obamacare cost us over one trillion dollars yet major provisions are being stripped constantly because of its infeasability. The bank regulations have failed and don't address the point (what does capping overdraft fees have to do with predatory lending? enjoy your $5 debit cost now).

With that said, I'm genuinely curious as to how the left plans on growing the economy? Green jobs? Gimme a break. What leftist policies could actually help the economy grow? This is exactly why Obama and the democrats in 2012 cannot actually campaign on what they're going to do, they're going to viciously attack republicans because that's all they've got.

Uhh, wut?

What ^^ Bunner ^^ said.

Dinki: WTF Indeed: That's good Mr. President. Now if you had only done this in say 2009 you'd still have both houses of Congress and a clear shot to a 2nd term.

This. Obamas biggest mistake was after getting the stimulus package passed, which he and everyone else knew was way too small, sitting back and crossing his fingers hoping the economy would rebound. Instead of that ridiculous no-win fight for HCR, he should have been talking jobs-jobs-jobs.

Well the important stuff has been covered. I guess I'll go after the less important stuff.

Subby, you cockgoblin, why didn't you link to the original source? Not only was it a more thorough article, it was the original one, not the version stolen by The Daily Beast. It's kinda a dick move to give all the clicks to the site stealin shiat.

Step one: bait Congressional Republicans into blocking all jobs legislation.

...if, by "Republicans," you mean "Senate Democrats." Damn that Harry Reid...

bait Congressional Republicans into blocking all jobs legislation

Oh I'm sorry, am I supposed to feel bad for those poor, defenseless Republicans who are just so weak and stupid they got tricked into screwing over the economy and the country?

Yeah, go ahead and run with that.

Yes Obama, keep doing things on your own. You do know best after all. It work so well for you going into 2010.

cirby: Step one: bait Congressional Republicans into blocking all jobs legislation.

...if, by "Republicans," you mean "Senate Democrats." Damn that Harry Reid...

Ahh, yes all those Republican "Jobs bills" that are nothing more than gutting environmental regulations.

cirby: ...if, by "Republicans," you mean "Senate Democrats." Damn that Harry Reid...

Pretty sure the Democrats decided they would rather have no jobs bill than accept even the slightest offsetting cuts to other programmes. It's like they wanted their cake...and to eat it too.

Nebulious: Dinki: that ridiculous no-win fight for HCR

Speak for yourself. Earlier this year, there was a period I wouldn't have had health insurance if it wasn't for HCR.

Really? I thought we were still 2 years from an meangingful change. What did you benefit from?

m2313: Alright, so we all know that Obama's leftist policies have failed. The stimulus was a disaster; Obamacare cost us over one trillion dollars yet major provisions are being stripped constantly because of its infeasability. The bank regulations have failed and don't address the point (what does capping overdraft fees have to do with predatory lending? enjoy your $5 debit cost now).

With that said, I'm genuinely curious as to how the left plans on growing the economy? Green jobs? Gimme a break. What leftist policies could actually help the economy grow? This is exactly why Obama and the democrats in 2012 cannot actually campaign on what they're going to do, they're going to viciously attack republicans because that's all they've got.

Dude, just read the comments, MOAR government spending is the answer.

I'm on my phone. Someone do me a favor and post the Obama as Jedi picture.

skepticultist: I'm on my phone. Someone do me a favor and post the Obama as Jedi picture.



Oops...was that the wrong jedi?

Antimatter: Obama's problem was he couldn't have anticipated the public buying into so much of the GOP's propaganda and the tea party gaining so much influence.

Which is kind of hard to believe. His campaign was won through actually utilizing a relatively modern media known as "the internet".

That takes at least some kind of insight into how people think.

Shaggy_C: Pretty sure the Democrats decided they would rather have no jobs bill than accept even the slightest offsetting cuts to other programmes. It's like they wanted their cake...and to eat it too.

It's always "cut all these things that help Americans and we'll concede to 3% of what you want" from the Republicans and you know this.

Of course, the Democrats are also to blame because they usually cave to said attitude.

'Bait'? They're doing that all on their own. They absolutely will not allow anything that might improve the economy, or put people back to work, while they have the House and a chokehold on the Senate.

m2313: Alright, so we all know that Obama's leftist policies have failed. The stimulus was a disaster; Obamacare cost us over one trillion dollars yet major provisions are being stripped constantly because of its infeasability. The bank regulations have failed and don't address the point (what does capping overdraft fees have to do with predatory lending? enjoy your $5 debit cost now).

With that said, I'm genuinely curious as to how the left plans on growing the economy? Green jobs? Gimme a break. What leftist policies could actually help the economy grow? This is exactly why Obama and the democrats in 2012 cannot actually campaign on what they're going to do, they're going to viciously attack republicans because that's all they've got.



What proposed rightist policies could actually help the economy grow?

Difficulty: you cannot use the words "tax cuts" or "job creators"

skepticultist: I'm on my phone. Someone do me a favor and post the Obama as Jedi picture.



I'm usually mobile, so here you go *terrorist fist bump*

Well, he finally got around to supporting the middle class. Let's hope it actually happens, it's time for the banks to help out, they've certainly farked the global economy 8 ways from Sunday.

m2313: Alright, so we all know that Obama's leftist policies have failed. The stimulus was a disaster; Obamacare cost us over one trillion dollars yet major provisions are being stripped constantly because of its infeasability. The bank regulations have failed and don't address the point (what does capping overdraft fees have to do with predatory lending? enjoy your $5 debit cost now).

Must be one of those things like the Republican debate when they are all in perfect agreement about things that are absolutely not true.

Shaggy_C: Just a god damn piece of paper, amirite?

Oh noes, the FEMA internment camps were for real all along?!?

Alright, so we all know that Obama's leftist policies have failed. The stimulus was a disaster

Actually, no. It simply didn't go far enough. That particular myth goes hand-in-hand with "tax cuts lead to jobs creation" and "if you do it too much, you'll go blind."

From the original NYT article (new window):



"They're ashamed to mention any of the things that they do with Republicans because it steps on their story line," Mr. McConnell said on the CNN program "State of the Union." "Their story line is that there must be some villain out there who's keeping this administration from succeeding."

THE VILLAIN



"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."

Doak: Dinki: Instead of that ridiculous no-win fight for HCR, he should have been talking jobs-jobs-jobs.

Yea, that horrible, bleak, lost-cause fight for HCR that resulted in the most sweeping healthcare reform we've seen in decades.

Really? That bill is a giant turd and a blatant giveaway to insurance companies and other corporate interests. Considering he had a majority in the house and super majority in the senate, he completely squandered a great opportunity for true reform and caved to monied interests at the expense of the rest of us. In other words, politics as usual.

*pssssttt* Senate Democrats killed the jobs bill, pass it on....

Rashnu: Shaggy_C: Just a god damn piece of paper, amirite?

Oh noes, the FEMA internment camps were for real all along?!?

Ugh, the boss fights are the worst part of Obama's administration.