Death to the gullible, credulous and dim: Seems fair to me.

RexTalionis: Are there any non-quack chiropractors?

I have met a few who don't believe that chiropractic can cure cancer, but is a special application of physical therapy. They don't lock you in to weekly visits forever.

/but not many of these folks out there

RexTalionis: Are there any non-quack chiropractors?

A few. There are some chiropractic medical experts who don't think you can cure everything by getting a back massage. But they are few and far between. Sort of like honest lawyers. They exist, but you never hear about them.

impaler: People who don't vaccinate their children are leeches at best.

Hardly. Leeches can be useful at times. Parents who don't vaccine their kids are either stupid or gullible, and neither of those traits are very useful.

Cull the herd, our herd immunity depends on people getting vaccinated. People that don't vaccinate their kids should be tried criminally.

RexTalionis: Are there any non-quack chiropractors?

It depends on whether 'quack' refers to chiropractic practices itself, or if 'quack' refers to the mindset of the chiropractors. As I am sure there might be one or two chiropractors who view themselves as being legitimate healers and not scam artists.

I've had the MMR vaccine like three or four times. (We moved a lot, and kept losing my immunization history - I had it as a baby, and specifically remember having the series again in HS, and again in graduate school.)

I am an Attractive and Successful Farker™.

Therefore, vaccines are good for you and multiple vaccines are better.

Anecdotal evidence, how does it work?

I was born pre-vaccine and had the measles when I was 4 years old.

If the could have inoculated my children at birth, I would have.

I'm not a fan of government intrusion into American's lives. However, I would fully support a constitutional amendment to have all Americans vaccinated. Only because these vaccinations work best when we are all inoculated.

wambu: RexTalionis: Are there any non-quack chiropractors?

I have met a few who don't believe that chiropractic can cure cancer, but is a special application of physical therapy. They don't lock you in to weekly visits forever.

/but not many of these folks out there

There are a precious few that recognize that subluxations and the like are not real, and see their practice as you said, a form of physical therapy. But the overwhelming majority practice this whole 19th century hogwash like its established science.

my doctor refuses to treat children or families who do not get vaccinations and believes it is child abuse.

Jenny McCarthy Body Count (new window)

/obligatory

Andromeda: I hate to say it, but Darwin approves.

Normally I love Darwin but the sad part here is it is not a self-Darwin. I love to see someone get what's coming to them - would be great to see Jenny McCarthy be one of those come down with Measles. But fortunately for all of the vaccine hating quacks out there their parents were responsible and got them vaccinated. So their retarded actions don't hurt themselves, it hurts their kids who have no say.

Darwin approves but is sad.

Andromeda: I hate to say it, but Darwin approves.

Except when we start to see children too young (less than 12 months) to be vaccinated yet falling victim to the disease because of decreased herd immunity, brought on by retards who'd rather listen to Jenny McCarthy than people who know what the fark they're talking about.

... including 51 students. Of the teens not vaccinated, including the European traveler, six were unvaccinateddue to personal exemptions .

"This outbreak is being fed largely on unvaccinated or undervaccinated people, but we were concerned that a significant number had received the recommended two doses of MMR vaccine," Philippe Belanger, an epidemiologist at Ministere de la Sant et des Services Sociaux du Quebec, Montreal, said in the releases.

Probably the most important parts of the story

What gets me is that most of this nonsense is getting pushed by the generally well-to-do and educated. I have a friend who sends his kids to a Quaker school (which around here usually means rich and granola-like) where the majority of kids are unvaccinated. Not for religious purposes, but from the lingering effects of JennyMcCarthyism and a general mistrust of "Western Medicine."

Assholes.

wambu: RexTalionis: Are there any non-quack chiropractors?

I have met a few who don't believe that chiropractic can cure cancer, but is a special application of physical therapy. They don't lock you in to weekly visits forever.

/but not many of these folks out there

Yea, my gf went to one who was like that. It was basically a cheap way for her to get a massage and back and neck crack.

Frankly, I never knew, before Fark, that there we Chiro's that operated differently. I always figured it was just a sort of physical therapy for joint and muscles.

Guyv: Frankly, I never knew, before Fark, that there we Chiro's that operated differently. I always figured it was just a sort of physical therapy for joint and muscles.

I don't think physical therapists would enjoy you equating them with chiropractors.

I used to go to this great chiropractor, I would get an adjustment and 60 minute sports therapy massage all billed to my insurance, cost me $10 copay...after about 6 months he started talking to me about healing energy from crystals and various rocks. In the middle of my adjustment, I got up and walked out. His wife, who does the booking called me about 10 minutes later begging me to come back, I told her that they were great up to the discussion of the healing energy of quartz then they lost me. I told her to tell the doc to shove his crystals up his ass and that I did not appreciate his stupidity.

My anti-Lion coat is amazing.

How can you tell?

Well, you don't see any Lions do you?

Anti-Vac idiots fall into this category - the reason you claim your non-vac status is OK is because there's enough of us vac'd people to keep things at bay.

For now.

Tick tock.

atomsmoosher: wambu: RexTalionis: Are there any non-quack chiropractors?

I have met a few who don't believe that chiropractic can cure cancer, but is a special application of physical therapy. They don't lock you in to weekly visits forever.

/but not many of these folks out there

There are a precious few that recognize that subluxations and the like are not real, and see their practice as you said, a form of physical therapy. But the overwhelming majority practice this whole 19th century hogwash like its established science.

I wish they'd use some kind of symbology or code to distinguish themselves. I'd love a good crack, but I don't want the bullshiat included.

Amazing how perfectly predictable this was. Well done granola hipsters, you were so afraid your snowflake would grow up a nerd that you risked his life with a hugely miserable disease.

/my aspie son is fully vaccinated.
//And happy and healthy and doing reasonably well in school.

Big Cheese Make Hair Go Boom: I used to go to this great chiropractor, I would get an adjustment and 60 minute sports therapy massage all billed to my insurance, cost me $10 copay...after about 6 months he started talking to me about healing energy from crystals and various rocks. In the middle of my adjustment, I got up and walked out. His wife, who does the booking called me about 10 minutes later begging me to come back, I told her that they were great up to the discussion of the healing energy of quartz then they lost me. I told her to tell the doc to shove his crystals up his ass and that I did not appreciate his stupidity.

You know how stupid you view the energy crystals thing? Yeah, thats how stupid a lot of us view chiropractors. But insurance paid massage? Hellz yeah.

atomsmoosher: What gets me is that most of this nonsense is getting pushed by the generally well-to-do and educated. I have a friend who sends his kids to a Quaker school (which around here usually means rich and granola-like) where the majority of kids are unvaccinated. Not for religious purposes, but from the lingering effects of JennyMcCarthyism and a general mistrust of "Western Medicine."

Assholes.

I noticed that too. My theory is that people that are successful in one sector of life believe they are experts in every field.

dv-ous:

I am an Attractive and Successful Farker™.^{[Citation needed]}

Guyv: Yea, my gf went to one who was like that. It was basically a cheap way for her to get a massage and back and neck crack.

Frankly, I never knew, before Fark, that there we Chiro's that operated differently. I always figured it was just a sort of physical therapy for joint and muscles.

How was it cheap? Insurance? I would imagine chiropractors are more expensive than say, a masseuse.

dv-ous: I've had the MMR vaccine like three or four times. (We moved a lot, and kept losing my immunization history - I had it as a baby, and specifically remember having the series again in HS, and again in graduate school.)

I am an Attractive and Successful Farker™.

Therefore, vaccines are good for you and multiple vaccines are better.

Anecdotal evidence, how does it work?

So, what does being black have to do with immunizations?

Znuh: My anti-Lion coat is amazing. How can you tell? Well, you don't see any Lions do you?

No, it's a rock that keeps tigers away.

/I want to buy your rock

The anti-vaxers present a clear and present danger to the health and welfare of everyone else. Mass vaccination programs were so successful that a generation of people have forgotten what it was like to lose six out of 12 kids to horrible painful childhood diseases.

Unintended consequences of progress?
But vaccinations, SOCIALISM!, derp, autism, whargarble....

wambu: ... including 51 students. Of the teens not vaccinated, including the European traveler, six were unvaccinateddue to personal exemptions .

"This outbreak is being fed largely on unvaccinated or undervaccinated people, but we were concerned that a significant number had received the recommended two doses of MMR vaccine," Philippe Belanger, an epidemiologist at Ministere de la Sant et des Services Sociaux du Quebec, Montreal, said in the releases.

Probably the most important parts of the story

Unfortunately that's one of the issues with vaccines, especially for things like chickenpox: they weaken or run out and then you're getting childhood diseases as an adult, when they tend to do more damage.

/doesn't know if the measles vaccines wears off

dv-ous: I've had the MMR vaccine like three or four times. (We moved a lot, and kept losing my immunization history - I had it as a baby, and specifically remember having the series again in HS, and again in graduate school.)

I am an Attractive and Successful Farker™.

Therefore, vaccines are good for you and multiple vaccines are better.

Anecdotal evidence, how does it work?

This is a joke, right? Because I'd hate to think that you don't understand the science behind how vaccines work.

The most recent outbreak in Canada had 53% vaccinated.

Funny... any idea where the word 'quack' comes from? It was originally used to refer to dentists that used mercury for fillings. These dentists came from Germany and promoted 'quacksalber' which is the german word for quicksilver... or mercury. All of the gold filling dentists referred to them as quacks. Isn't it funny how the whole thing flipped around and now we call people that oppose the use of mercury as 'quacks?'

Yes, I know mercury isn't in vaccines anymore blah blah blah blah.

My chiropractor had a huge impact on my health... not just back pain. Allergies gone. Migraines gone. So on. So on. Yes, there are some kooky chiropractors out there... but there are kooks in every profession. In my experience the majority are stand-up people trying to help others. But believe what you want. I know... welcome to Fark. I won't be checking back for responses so don't bother.

iollow: Guyv: Yea, my gf went to one who was like that. It was basically a cheap way for her to get a massage and back and neck crack.

Frankly, I never knew, before Fark, that there we Chiro's that operated differently. I always figured it was just a sort of physical therapy for joint and muscles.

How was it cheap? Insurance? I would imagine chiropractors are more expensive than say, a masseuse.

Yea, our insurance covers it, 30 bucks a visit.

An actual physical therapist would only be covered under a doctor prescribed regimen with a definite end. Chiro though? Go whenever the hell you feel like.

The masseuse she liked was about 50 + tip, so that's used more sparingly these days.

Aidan: atomsmoosher: wambu: RexTalionis: Are there any non-quack chiropractors?

I have met a few who don't believe that chiropractic can cure cancer, but is a special application of physical therapy. They don't lock you in to weekly visits forever.

/but not many of these folks out there

There are a precious few that recognize that subluxations and the like are not real, and see their practice as you said, a form of physical therapy. But the overwhelming majority practice this whole 19th century hogwash like its established science.

I wish they'd use some kind of symbology or code to distinguish themselves. I'd love a good crack, but I don't want the bullshiat included.

Look for massage therapists?
Although massage therapy tends to feel more like *torture* than a relaxing massage.

Did help my posture, though (mainly by helping me learn to use other muscles. "Okay, I'm going to semi-pin this muscle in place. Make this motion without using that muscle, or it will *really* hurt."

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Measles outbreaks, bridges collapsing...we had a good run as a first-world country

I blame the Libertarians.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: There is no greater illustration of America's celebration of "jus' plain folks" stupidity and denigration of education than the idea that some people would consider a debate between the Director of Immunology at the Center for Disease Control and a C-list actress best known for wrangling fratboys on MTV and showing her (admittedly luscious) tits and ass as "a fair fight."

I blame it on the "equal time for both sides" idiocy of the American news media, in their misguided attempts to gain "balance."

If one side is a noted expert in the field with legitimate credentials to back up his position, and the other side is some random nutjob with a conspiracy theory and no data to support him, their opinions don't deserve equal time and weight.

RexTalionis: Are there any non-quack chiropractors?

Actually they can be good. When I throw out my neck, the only people who can help are chiropractors. Believe me I went the drug and doctor route, all I ended up was stoned out on heavy pain pills with a neck that couldn't move a milimeter without shooting lightning bolts down my spine. I went to a chiropractor and she zapped the shiat out of my neck with a little taser thing, cracked my spine six ways 'til sunday and told me ice and ibuprophen. I was able to move my neck again for the first time in a week. Saw her again a couple days later, and I was fully mobile and pain free.

I will not, however, go to a chiropractor to balance my chi or any of that shiat. But they do real therapy, too.

Read that as "afflicted with quack chiropractors". Maybe I read it right the first time.

I see nothing wrong with visiting a Chiro for a stiff back or neck. But after he loosens the ole joints up a couple of times, what else can he do?

Where are Kirk's Toupee and Abby Someone to enlighten us with their encyclopedic knowledge of virology, epidemiology, immunology?