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(The Newspaper)   One third of people stopped paying tickets in Los Angeles County after police commissioner said paying red light camera tickets was voluntary   (thenewspaper.com) divider line 41
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2011-10-24 10:59:25 AM  
So 2/3rds are actually still paying them?
 
2011-10-24 11:15:38 AM  
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wee
2011-10-24 12:04:32 PM  

jaylectricity: So 2/3rds are actually still paying them?


Odd that that many people would immediately give up their right to face their accuser by paying a ticket issued by a machine...
 
2011-10-24 12:16:19 PM  
They installed red light cameras at several intersections here. It accomplished 2 things: 1) Those intersections are now much safer and 2) People now run red lights at all of the lights that don't have a camera.
 
2011-10-24 12:21:54 PM  
I'm waiting for one in the mail. :( As I was approaching an intersection, a guy in the left turn lane got tired of waiting and changed into my lane, distracting me enough that I didn't notice the light had changed as I zigged around him. Can you even fight them?
 
2011-10-24 12:31:00 PM  

jaylectricity: So 2/3rds are actually still paying them?


This. It's sad that 2/3 are either too ignorant or too whipped by the system to care
 
2011-10-24 12:32:02 PM  

jaylectricity: So 2/3rds are actually still paying them?


I think it's more "2/3rds still don't know that it's voluntary."
 
2011-10-24 12:41:02 PM  
I just got one the other day. Stupid slow truck in front of me obscured the light... I was a car length into the intersection before I saw what was happening... what was I supposed to do, stop?

$158 ticket... assholes.
 
2011-10-24 12:41:12 PM  

jaylectricity: So 2/3rds are actually still paying them?


A lot of Good Germans live there
 
2011-10-24 12:42:03 PM  
They are proliferating here. I know they are a civil infraction and don't cause a loss of points on your license. I do not know if payment is "optional." AFAIK, your license will be suspended if you don't pay, but I'm not 100% sure.

I do know the flash from the camera is extremely bright. The first time I saw it from a distance I thought it was lightning. I know the one at Westshore & Gandy in Tampa is making a KILLING. I see that thing go off two to four times a day during my commute. That's just a couple of light cycles in a very short period. I can only imagine how many it gets in the 12 hours between my commutes.
 
2011-10-24 12:43:07 PM  

Fireproof: I think it's more "2/3rds still don't know that it's voluntary."


That's because the Ric Romero types in the media quote local bureaucrats who say scary things like "it will go on your record if you don't pay it, I wouldn't risk it." They say whatever it takes to fool people into paying.

It's the case in several states -- Arizona, Colorado, Virginia -- that you can throw away a ticket not personally served. It's only true in certain counties in California.
 
2011-10-24 12:47:58 PM  

LittleSmitty: They are proliferating here. I know they are a civil infraction and don't cause a loss of points on your license. I do not know if payment is "optional." AFAIK, your license will be suspended if you don't pay, but I'm not 100% sure.

I do know the flash from the camera is extremely bright. The first time I saw it from a distance I thought it was lightning. I know the one at Westshore & Gandy in Tampa is making a KILLING. I see that thing go off two to four times a day during my commute. That's just a couple of light cycles in a very short period. I can only imagine how many it gets in the 12 hours between my commutes.


I got one of these over two years ago, never paid it. I just renewed my license without any problems. Of course, I live in New Mexico, not California. Probably it varies from place to place.
 
2011-10-24 12:48:04 PM  
Too bad the tickets are inflammable.
 
2011-10-24 12:48:27 PM  

wee: jaylectricity: So 2/3rds are actually still paying them?

Odd that that many people would immediately give up their right to face their accuser by paying a ticket issued by a machine...


or they knew that they were guilty and decided to be honest.
 
2011-10-24 12:49:35 PM  

karmaceutical: I just got one the other day. Stupid slow truck in front of me obscured the light... I was a car length into the intersection before I saw what was happening... what was I supposed to do, stop?

$158 ticket... assholes.


don't follow a truck so closely next time.
be happy that you only ran a red light due to your negligence instead of getting broadsided by a car.
 
2011-10-24 12:51:03 PM  

LittleSmitty: They are proliferating here. I know they are a civil infraction and don't cause a loss of points on your license. I do not know if payment is "optional." AFAIK, your license will be suspended if you don't pay, but I'm not 100% sure.

I do know the flash from the camera is extremely bright. The first time I saw it from a distance I thought it was lightning. I know the one at Westshore & Gandy in Tampa is making a KILLING. I see that thing go off two to four times a day during my commute. That's just a couple of light cycles in a very short period. I can only imagine how many it gets in the 12 hours between my commutes.


Relevant to your interests:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/article1170775.ece
 
2011-10-24 12:51:54 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: karmaceutical: I just got one the other day. Stupid slow truck in front of me obscured the light... I was a car length into the intersection before I saw what was happening... what was I supposed to do, stop?

$158 ticket... assholes.

don't follow a truck so closely next time.
be happy that you only ran a red light due to your negligence instead of getting broadsided by a car.


fark off troll.
 
2011-10-24 01:08:58 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: don't follow a truck so closely next time.
be happy that you only ran a red light due to your negligence instead of getting broadsided by a car.


NEWS FLASH: The odds of you being a sanctimonious coont are close to 100%. Carry on.
 
2011-10-24 01:23:26 PM  
tenpoundsofcheese: don't follow a truck so closely next time. be happy that you only ran a red light due to your negligence instead of getting broadsided by a car.

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You COMPANY MAN...Who ever told you that you could work with men?
 
2011-10-24 01:24:54 PM  
Hell sometimes even ignoring tickets in general will go in your favor if you are lucky... Got pulled over for doing 95 in a 70. The cop wrote me the ticket which was 6 points on my license and a $300 fine. I checked it on Courtview a few days later; the cop had fat fingered the citation and entered the ticket into the system under the code for 3-5 over in a school zone.

I didn't show up to traffic court and the judge threw it out! :D

//My only speeding ticket
 
2011-10-24 01:36:07 PM  

KingoftheCheese: They installed red light cameras at several intersections here. It accomplished 2 things: 1) Those intersections are now much safer and 2) People now run red lights at all of the lights that don't have a camera.


"safer"?

what are you, a traffic engineer?

Wake us up when reality hits you in the face ass and you get rear ended stopping at an intersection to avoid a red light camera snapping a photo.
 
2011-10-24 01:55:36 PM  
The even better news for City of LA residents is that the council voted to turn the damn things off recently. I believe they were supposed to shut down as of the end of August, or possibly September. In any case, they are off now.
 
2011-10-24 01:57:44 PM  

karmaceutical: tenpoundsofcheese: karmaceutical: I just got one the other day. Stupid slow truck in front of me obscured the light... I was a car length into the intersection before I saw what was happening... what was I supposed to do, stop?

$158 ticket... assholes.

don't follow a truck so closely next time.
be happy that you only ran a red light due to your negligence instead of getting broadsided by a car.

fark off troll.


I agree with tenpoundsofcheese. When you are driving a car it is your responsibility to be aware of your surroundings. If you are not, you should not be behind the wheel of the car. It was your negligence that caused you to run the light, not the truck.
 
2011-10-24 02:01:37 PM  

farkingatwork: KingoftheCheese: They installed red light cameras at several intersections here. It accomplished 2 things: 1) Those intersections are now much safer and 2) People now run red lights at all of the lights that don't have a camera.

"safer"?

what are you, a traffic engineer?

Wake us up when reality hits you in the face ass and you get rear ended stopping at an intersection to avoid a red light camera snapping a photo.


Rear-end collisions are the other guy's fault. Always. And assuming you don't drive a Pinto, you're likely not going to die in one.

However, it is VERY likely that you'll get a sweet payout from insurance (hint: ALWAYS buy uninsured motorist insurance.)
 
2011-10-24 02:07:46 PM  
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2011-10-24 02:09:50 PM  

algrant33: farkingatwork: KingoftheCheese: They installed red light cameras at several intersections here. It accomplished 2 things: 1) Those intersections are now much safer and 2) People now run red lights at all of the lights that don't have a camera.

"safer"?

what are you, a traffic engineer?

Wake us up when reality hits you in the face ass and you get rear ended stopping at an intersection to avoid a red light camera snapping a photo.

Rear-end collisions are the other guy's fault. Always. And assuming you don't drive a Pinto, you're likely not going to die in one.

However, it is VERY likely that you'll get a sweet payout from insurance (hint: ALWAYS buy uninsured motorist insurance.)


I'm pretty sure if I'm in stopped traffic on the freeway, toss it in reverse, and drive into the guy behind me it's my fault not his. Not like he could go anywhere if it's stopped traffic.

/absolutes, never use 'em.
 
2011-10-24 03:45:02 PM  

JanusofZeal: algrant33: farkingatwork: KingoftheCheese: They installed red light cameras at several intersections here. It accomplished 2 things: 1) Those intersections are now much safer and 2) People now run red lights at all of the lights that don't have a camera.

"safer"?

what are you, a traffic engineer?

Wake us up when reality hits you in the face ass and you get rear ended stopping at an intersection to avoid a red light camera snapping a photo.

Rear-end collisions are the other guy's fault. Always. And assuming you don't drive a Pinto, you're likely not going to die in one.

However, it is VERY likely that you'll get a sweet payout from insurance (hint: ALWAYS buy uninsured motorist insurance.)

I'm pretty sure if I'm in stopped traffic on the freeway, toss it in reverse, and drive into the guy behind me it's my fault not his. Not like he could go anywhere if it's stopped traffic.

/absolutes, never use 'em.


No doubt.
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2011-10-24 03:54:39 PM  

karmaceutical: tenpoundsofcheese: karmaceutical: I just got one the other day. Stupid slow truck in front of me obscured the light... I was a car length into the intersection before I saw what was happening... what was I supposed to do, stop?

$158 ticket... assholes.

don't follow a truck so closely next time.
be happy that you only ran a red light due to your negligence instead of getting broadsided by a car.

fark off troll.


Would it have made a difference if the truck was driving faster? He was going slow, so you're leading us to believe that you were too close to the truck. Maybe if he was going faster you would have backed off a little, right? Oh but wait, then your reaction time would have been longer anyway because of your higher speed. Would you have backed off even more to account for that?

No chance. Believe me, I'd do it to, and even complain about getting that same ticket. But I certainly wouldn't call somebody a troll when they made me face the truth.
 
2011-10-24 04:43:01 PM  

jaylectricity: karmaceutical: tenpoundsofcheese: karmaceutical: I just got one the other day. Stupid slow truck in front of me obscured the light... I was a car length into the intersection before I saw what was happening... what was I supposed to do, stop?

$158 ticket... assholes.

don't follow a truck so closely next time.
be happy that you only ran a red light due to your negligence instead of getting broadsided by a car.

fark off troll.

Would it have made a difference if the truck was driving faster? He was going slow, so you're leading us to believe that you were too close to the truck. Maybe if he was going faster you would have backed off a little, right? Oh but wait, then your reaction time would have been longer anyway because of your higher speed. Would you have backed off even more to account for that?

No chance. Believe me, I'd do it to, and even complain about getting that same ticket. But I certainly wouldn't call somebody a troll when they made me face the truth.


I am not "calling" anyone a troll. This guy IS a troll. I am not arguing the veracity of the ticket... I know what I did. I just don't like it. Now are you done lecturing me?
 
2011-10-24 04:51:31 PM  

karmaceutical: LittleSmitty: They are proliferating here. I know they are a civil infraction and don't cause a loss of points on your license. I do not know if payment is "optional." AFAIK, your license will be suspended if you don't pay, but I'm not 100% sure.

I do know the flash from the camera is extremely bright. The first time I saw it from a distance I thought it was lightning. I know the one at Westshore & Gandy in Tampa is making a KILLING. I see that thing go off two to four times a day during my commute. That's just a couple of light cycles in a very short period. I can only imagine how many it gets in the 12 hours between my commutes.

Relevant to your interests:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/article1170775.ece


Yeah, I remember reading that. I'm still trying to figure out if ignoring the fine will result in your license being suspended. Meanwhile, we're getting a couple just down the street from me. It's going to be interesting watching the reaction, even though there are huge signs stating when they go into effect. Wahhhh!, I wasn't given any warning....
 
2011-10-24 05:42:28 PM  
They have got these tax generators in both east & west directions on Hillsborough Ave. where I live in Tampa. (Nebraska & Hillsborough and 22nd & Hillsborough)

I have to pass one of them once a day to get to work while my fiance has to pass it twice.

Odds are, I'll get stuck in the intersection too long while turning left. Cha ching.

A while ago, like another fellow in here, I ALMOST ran a red light because the huge truck in front of my old Toyota MR2 (low to the ground) obscured my view while crossing the intersection. I would have had to been at least two more car lengths back to have 'seen it coming'.

All these cameras do is generate money on a regular basis while providing lazy police work. They're even sold to the municipality as a self paying cost effective solution because of the money it is sure to generate. It is ridiculous.

You want real safety measures? Just make the pause between the one light goes red and the other light goes green.
 
2011-10-24 06:30:28 PM  
FTA: .and photo enforcement vendors are losing $1 million per month

This sounds good to me.
 
2011-10-24 06:40:59 PM  

JanusofZeal: algrant33: farkingatwork: KingoftheCheese: They installed red light cameras at several intersections here. It accomplished 2 things: 1) Those intersections are now much safer and 2) People now run red lights at all of the lights that don't have a camera.

"safer"?

what are you, a traffic engineer?

Wake us up when reality hits you in the face ass and you get rear ended stopping at an intersection to avoid a red light camera snapping a photo.

Rear-end collisions are the other guy's fault. Always. And assuming you don't drive a Pinto, you're likely not going to die in one.

However, it is VERY likely that you'll get a sweet payout from insurance (hint: ALWAYS buy uninsured motorist insurance.)

I'm pretty sure if I'm in stopped traffic on the freeway, toss it in reverse, and drive into the guy behind me it's my fault not his. Not like he could go anywhere if it's stopped traffic.

/absolutes, never use 'em.


Pretty sure that's called "backing into a parked car", but thx for playing.
 
2011-10-24 06:46:05 PM  

algrant33: JanusofZeal: algrant33: farkingatwork: KingoftheCheese: They installed red light cameras at several intersections here. It accomplished 2 things: 1) Those intersections are now much safer and 2) People now run red lights at all of the lights that don't have a camera.

"safer"?

what are you, a traffic engineer?

Wake us up when reality hits you in the face ass and you get rear ended stopping at an intersection to avoid a red light camera snapping a photo.

Rear-end collisions are the other guy's fault. Always. And assuming you don't drive a Pinto, you're likely not going to die in one.

However, it is VERY likely that you'll get a sweet payout from insurance (hint: ALWAYS buy uninsured motorist insurance.)

I'm pretty sure if I'm in stopped traffic on the freeway, toss it in reverse, and drive into the guy behind me it's my fault not his. Not like he could go anywhere if it's stopped traffic.

/absolutes, never use 'em.

Pretty sure that's called "backing into a parked car", but thx for playing.


Which part of my car caused the collision? Would it be the *GASP* REAR END?

Let me refresh your memory

algrant33: Rear-end collisions are the other guy's fault. Always.


Also, I'm not sure that a car on the freeway really counts as parked even if it's stopped, hell, say he was going 1 mph, and I decided to back into him anyway. Now he's not a parked car and it's a rear end collision still, happy?

You statement was false, but thanks for playing.
 
2011-10-24 07:56:25 PM  
Why don't you go out on the interstate and try that one, and see how the cop writes up the ticket play in traffic dressed as a deer. fark you, pedantic ashwipe. There's only one commonly-accepted definition of a 2-car rear-end collision, and that ain't it.

Also, "proceeding against the flow of traffic" is not and WILL NEVER be the same thing as "rear-ending somebody".
 
2011-10-24 08:03:37 PM  

algrant33: Why don't you go out on the interstate and try that one, and see how the cop writes up the ticket play in traffic dressed as a deer. fark you, pedantic ashwipe. There's only one commonly-accepted definition of a 2-car rear-end collision, and that ain't it.

Also, "proceeding against the flow of traffic" is not and WILL NEVER be the same thing as "rear-ending somebody".


Oh good, cause you said "rear-ending somebody" or "the commonly-accepted definition of a 2-car rear-end collision". Oh wait, no, you didn't. You didn't use those qualifiers. The qualifier you used was "always." If I get in a semi, drive up to a red light with 2 cars behind eachother, and ram the back one into the first, there is a point where it's entirely my fault and not the other guys, since there was no amount of space that would have saved him from that.

/Absolutes, never use 'em.
//still confused?
///Always remember to never use absolutes
 
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2011-10-24 09:16:15 PM  
Rear-enders are not always absolutely the fault of the rear guy in any state I've heard of. We even had a thread on one of the exceptions within the past year. A doctor in LA brake checked some bicyclists and went to jail. They rear-ended him and it was his fault. A couple years ago same deal with a car vs. motorcycle in Vermont. Pissed off driver tried to teach biker a lesson, got hit from behind, and was convicted. Years before that a confused woman driver slammed on the brakes on Mass. Route 128 and her kid was killed when the truck behind her didn't stop in time. She was charged with motor vehicle homicide for getting rear ended; the charges were dropped. The truck driver was not charged.

The usual rule, de jure or de facto, says the guy in back is at fault unless he convinces the judge, jury, or whoever that he should not be considered at fault.
 
wee
2011-10-24 11:29:48 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: or they knew that they were guilty and decided to be honest


So by "pre-deciding" their guilt they don't avail themselves of the benefit of a court's decision? They let a machine decide their guilt or innocence? Pardon my french, but they can finger the dead pope's ugly farking sister with that horseshiat.

You have a right to know who is accusing you of what. There is no reason to decide to just submit to whatever judgment happens your way unless you know who it is that is accusing you of things. Seriously: think about that for a minute>. How do you know the cameras were accurate? How do you know it was your car tagged and not the one next to you? How do you know you were driving it?

"Come along, good citizen, and thank you or making yourself guilty of whatever you have been charged with. It's noted and there will be no debit to the accounts of your survivors..."

It's the exact same shiat.

You get to face your accusers in this country in a speedy fashion. It's a valuable thing. It's tedious and sometimes doesn't work, but it's meant to be used. It should be used. Goddam people just roll over and give it up...
 
2011-10-25 02:28:43 AM  

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Came here to post Adam picture, leaving crestfallen :(
 
2011-10-25 11:29:40 AM  
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2011-10-25 12:18:14 PM  
Fight every ticket. EVERY ticket. Clog the court system and make the piggies (or those running automated scams) defend their actions.

The worst thing you can do is "just pay the fine." Not only is it tantamount to a guilty plea, it guarantees that you will get "points" against your driving record, which leads to insurance hikes and possible license suspension if you have enough points in a certain amount of time.

Most states give you an opportunity to plead not guilty by mail and send in a statement of facts, also by mail (called a trial by written declaration.) The cop has 30 days to send a reply or your ticket is dismissed.

You are also allowed to submit a Request for Discovery to subpoena police radar maintenance records, road engineering/safety studies, etc. to help you make a case if somebody didn't do required paperwork.

If all that doesn't yield a dismissal, you still have the right to your proverbial day in court (called a trial de novo.) You have the right to face your accuser, meaning that, in most jurisdictions, if the cop doesn't show up in court, you walk.

In most cases you can still ask for traffic school (unless you have a commercial license in some states), which will keep points off your record.

Also, beware of the "ticket doctors" and other scam artists out there. Many of those outfits don't even hire lawyers. They just have a battery of legal assistants or other drones with limited legal knowledge that churn out written declarations tailored to your case and charge hundreds for the privilege. Many claim to refund your $ if the case is lost, but there are many restrictions (one, for example, only refunds for speeding tickets that were for 9mph or less over the limit.)

There are plenty of sample written declarations around the webz that you can use as a framework for your defense. Also, you can hire a lawyer if you're about to lose your license or have an egregious violation like reckless driving or DUI. Of course, be prepared to pay big time (lawyer fees for routine traffic tickets in CA run $600 and up).

At the very least, you made the kangaroo-court assholes work a bit for your hard-earned money, and likely diverted a ticket-happy oinker's attention from his quota duty for a while to prosecute your case.
 
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