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(Pop Matters) Unlikely John Stewart vs. Michael Moore is a "convincing illustration of the suicidal tendencies, moral bankruptcy, and spiritual decay of the American left"   (popmatters.com) divider line 213
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2011-10-24 09:28:24 AM
Someone thought they were a good writer, but didn't get a call back from the Daily Show team.
 
2011-10-24 09:31:51 AM
I'm not reading all that butthurt.
 
2011-10-24 10:21:10 AM
Whether he's doing something righteous (blistering financial hack Jim Cramer), something easy and lazy (poorly impersonating the clownish Glenn Beck)...

I stopped there. Stewart killed it in those bits.
 
2011-10-24 10:22:09 AM
Maybe we like Stewart over Moore because he's erudite and incisive while Moore is abrasive and self-important.
 
2011-10-24 10:27:12 AM
I get tired of reading the word 'liberal,' so I had to stop. Five 'liberals' is my limit, sorry.
 
2011-10-24 10:29:28 AM
This seems like something written for the left, but reads like something written by republican.
 
2011-10-24 10:32:14 AM
First sentence: Michael Moore is one of the few heroes of contemporary American culture.

You lost me.
 
2011-10-24 10:34:38 AM
MayoSlather: This seems like something written for the left, but reads like something written by republican.

Exactly.

It's plain old pretending to like Michael Moore to excuse bashing Jon Stewart.
 
2011-10-24 10:36:15 AM
MayoSlather: This seems like something written for the left, but reads like something written by republican.

He does sound concerned.
 
2011-10-24 10:37:23 AM
People like Stewart over Moore because Stewart isn't fat. *

There, was that so hard to figure out?

*Also because Jon Stewart doesn't come across as an annoying asshat every time he opens his mouth.
 
2011-10-24 10:46:55 AM
The Green Lantern?
 
2011-10-24 11:09:49 AM
Ugh, talk about a whiny biatch. Stewart was never supposed to be liberal. He was very moderate during the Clinton years but the absolute bat-shiattery of the Bush administration turned most reasonable-thinking people against the modern GOP.

Placing Stewart on a progressive pedestal is foolish and the author is a fool for thinking everyone who watches him does.
 
2011-10-24 11:22:04 AM
Diogenes: Maybe we like Stewart over Moore because he's erudite and incisive while Moore is abrasive and self-important.

That would be "douchebag", to be more concise.


Lumpmoose: Ugh, talk about a whiny biatch. Stewart was never supposed to be liberal. He was very moderate during the Clinton years but the absolute bat-shiattery of the Bush administration turned most reasonable-thinking people against the modern GOP.

Talking Bush out on his antics during his tenure isn't called "liberal". It's called "over 70% of the farking country".
 
2011-10-24 11:26:51 AM
Michael Moore is one of the few heroes of contemporary American culture. He is a true patriot, a serious populist, and a clever provocateur, dedicated to striking politicians, jabbing corporate elites, and encouraging the American public into summoning the courage necessary to create a country of egalitarian love, benevolent community, and universal justice.

I horked in my spork.

Michael Moore does a service by spotlighting certain things that people don't necessarily know. Aspects of his movies provide a good insight into the undercurrents of our society. However, you cannot claim he is just a documentarian and a voice of the people. He has an agenda, he hides behind the "documentary" label, and he does engage in the same kind of selective editing that the douchebags he attacks do. I feel he does more positive than negative, but I'm not going to worship him.

I will say that the inherent trouble with "The Left" that Stewart highlights is that it is often painfully fair. Stewart goes a bit overboard in trying to offer a bit of "both sides are assholes, guys" which is true to a point, and the herd-of-cats mentality of liberal causes means that it is not remotely as simple to rally a liberal cause as it is a conservative one. Conservatives are masters of lockstep and groupthink, and can protect, attack, deny, and move as one with ease. This need for fairness in treating both one's enemies and friends is what liberals are all about, but that doesn't change the fact that playing fair (not that we always do, fortunately or no) in an unfair world is what makes it such an uphill battle to effect progressive change.
 
2011-10-24 11:47:08 AM
I like and Moore and Stewart but you have to be brain dead to try and compare them. There is no point.

It would be like comparing Dennis Miller with Ann Coulter.

Stewart is a comedian. He is literally a fake news reporter. To call him superficial is stupid. Try and not come off as superficial while playing a fake character on a 30 minute comedy show. Your goal is to make people laugh (think) perhaps. Stewart has been on many other shows where he talks about how he feels. He doesn't come off as superficial on those appears, he comes off as passionate and serious (although less funny). Passion/conviction as funny.

Moore leads with the passion and conviction but he also is incidentally funny and used humour differently.

I don't see the value in comparing them. I don't see why you can't like or dislike one or both of them.
 
2011-10-24 11:49:08 AM
Stewart's entire persona is based around a smug self-satisfaction that speaks for his audience's sanctimonious self-confidence in being right.

That nailed Stewart right there. And his audience.
 
2011-10-24 11:56:27 AM
SkinnyHead: Stewart's entire persona is based around a smug self-satisfaction that speaks for his audience's sanctimonious self-confidence in being right.

That nailed Stewart right there. And his audience.


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2011-10-24 12:13:04 PM
I think this is a better article, about the same topic:

John Stewart and the Burden of History - Esquire (pops)
 
2011-10-24 12:19:07 PM
rikdanger: I think this is a better article, about the same topic:

John Stewart and the Burden of History - Esquire (pops)


Seven pages? I don't pretend to be the most patient person in the universe. But, couldn't that author have made their point about Jon Stewart a little more succinctly?

So basically, tl:dr
 
2011-10-24 12:33:21 PM
Cythraul: rikdanger: I think this is a better article, about the same topic:

John Stewart and the Burden of History - Esquire (pops)

Seven pages? I don't pretend to be the most patient person in the universe. But, couldn't that author have made their point about Jon Stewart a little more succinctly?

So basically, tl:dr


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2011-10-24 12:44:45 PM
michael moore appeals almost solely to emotion whereas stewart tends to point out intellectual failings and logical hypocrisy. it's not really a wonder why many people prefer the latter to the former.

/also fat, lul
 
2011-10-24 12:53:14 PM
Defenses of Jon Stewart tend to be unnecessary.
 
2011-10-24 01:24:29 PM
*Lolwhutpear* pic

What the fark did I just read?
 
2011-10-24 01:24:40 PM
thomps: michael moore appeals almost solely to emotion whereas stewart tends to point out intellectual failings and logical hypocrisy.

Moore: LOOK THE NRA AND KKK HAVE SOME HISTORICAL CORRELATIONS, IS THE NRA JUST THE REBRANDED KKK? YOU DECIDE!

Stewart: Well, N*ggerhead, despite being an offensive name, isn't really something we can pin on Perry despite how much we want to. On the one hand, it's an oddly popular name, and on the other hand, he kind of tried to eradicate that name from existence.
 
2011-10-24 01:25:14 PM
Diogenes: SkinnyHead: Stewart's entire persona is based around a smug self-satisfaction that speaks for his audience's sanctimonious self-confidence in being right.

That nailed Stewart right there. And his audience.

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Because confident winners are sexy.
 
2011-10-24 01:25:23 PM
i've seen lots of blogs that suck before, but your blog *really* sucks.
 
2011-10-24 01:25:55 PM
Wow, that is some weapons grade butthurt.
 
2011-10-24 01:26:21 PM
Cythraul: rikdanger: I think this is a better article, about the same topic:

John Stewart and the Burden of History - Esquire (pops)

Seven pages? I don't pretend to be the most patient person in the universe. But, couldn't that author have made their point about Jon Stewart a little more succinctly?

So basically, tl:dr


I think we found Herman Cain's fark handle.
 
2011-10-24 01:26:44 PM
Yes, yes, we know, TEH LEFT is coming apart at the seams and will fall before the righteous Republican onslaught that all right-thinking Americans support.
 
2011-10-24 01:27:18 PM
I have to admit I'm not really a fan of Mr. Stewart. I'm glad that some people do like him. I don't think he provides much of a service. Kind of like a political Tosh?
 
2011-10-24 01:27:54 PM
Michael Moore advocates progressive causes, John Stewart advocates chilling out.

As a result of Moore's advocacy, Kmart stopped selling ammo. As a result of John Stewart's advocacy, the Tea Party goons got elected.

/just sayin' dawg
 
2011-10-24 01:28:02 PM
JerseyTim: Whether he's doing something righteous (blistering financial hack Jim Cramer), something easy and lazy (poorly impersonating the clownish Glenn Beck)...

I stopped there. Stewart killed it in those bits.


He lapsed into it last week for a moment and the audience went completely nuts.
 
2011-10-24 01:28:43 PM
Stewart isn't much of a leftist, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if he was a secret Republican more than a little upset about how cartoonish the GOP has become.
 
2011-10-24 01:29:41 PM
I like both guys, which this writer seems to think is impossible.

/tool
 
2011-10-24 01:32:52 PM
Who the hell is "John Stewart?"
 
2011-10-24 01:33:29 PM
FishyFred: Defenses of Jon Stewart tend to be unnecessary.

This. The conservaitves who don't like Stewart feel that way because they don't like seeing how easy it is to mock them. Liberals like this douchebag don't like Stewart because he doesn't posses the same far left cheerleader mindset they do.
 
2011-10-24 01:33:54 PM
DarnoKonrad: Stewart isn't much of a leftist, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if he was a secret Republican more than a little upset about how cartoonish the GOP has become.

this could be it. many of us libtards have some conservative leanings, we are just too busy defending the fact that we arent stalinists to mention it
 
2011-10-24 01:34:15 PM
That's a word salad headline. I'll pass on the link.
 
2011-10-24 01:34:26 PM
"Michael Moore is one of the few heroes of contemporary American culture"

Bullshiat meter in the red! Abort reading!

On the first sentence, no less.....

MM is a pathetic propagandist. Anyone who actually takes a single thing he says as fact is a complete fool.
 
2011-10-24 01:35:04 PM
EyeballKid: Michael Moore advocates progressive causes, John Stewart advocates chilling out.

As a result of Moore's advocacy, Kmart stopped selling ammo. As a result of John Stewart's advocacy, the Tea Party goons got elected.

/just sayin' dawg


Stewart's primary advocacy issue is that news show/channels actually do their job. As stupid and lame as news coverage has been over the past 10 years, it would have been much worse without shows like Stewart's & Colbert's on their case.
 
2011-10-24 01:36:27 PM
Whenever libs say something people don't agree with, their character gets attacked.
 
2011-10-24 01:37:26 PM
Also by the author:

Hall and Oates: Still Relevant. Still Rocking.

Yup....freelance troll.
 
2011-10-24 01:37:42 PM
I would say that both Moore and Stewart do have important roles (like say... being members of the few privileged voices even moderately left of center allowed to speak in the mass media in the US). They're clearly different in their approach, but I don't think they're signs of the left eating itself in the US as much as they're examples of the differing types of left-of-center personalities. It seems that the fanboi that wrote this article was more interested in doing a hatchet job on Stewart than he was discussing anything meaningful. I would say the biggest problem with the American left isn't that a quarter of them don't like Moore's methods... it's that they have no significant voice in government.
 
2011-10-24 01:38:54 PM
HeartBurnKid: Cythraul: rikdanger: I think this is a better article, about the same topic:

John Stewart and the Burden of History - Esquire (pops)

Seven pages? I don't pretend to be the most patient person in the universe. But, couldn't that author have made their point about Jon Stewart a little more succinctly?

So basically, tl:dr

I think we found Herman Cain's fark handle.


I don't want to be Herman Cain. Can I be me instead? Although, I would like to have his money.
 
2011-10-24 01:40:03 PM
Elbarfo: "Michael Moore is one of the few heroes of contemporary American culture"

Bullshiat meter in the red! Abort reading!

On the first sentence, no less.....

MM is a pathetic propagandist. Anyone who actually takes a single thing he says as fact is a complete fool.


Anyone making a claim like that is a lying tool.
 
2011-10-24 01:40:55 PM
Stewart is clearly a liberal with a particular agenda, but as Tom Junod, writing for

I agree with the author. This is clear and obvious to everyone and therefore requires no actual proof, examples or evidence whatsoever. This is great journalism.

So I'm curious, subby/David Masciotra, what's your Fark login? Congrats on getting your crap greenlit.
 
2011-10-24 01:42:55 PM
HMS_Blinkin: Who the hell is "John Stewart?"

He did that song back in the '70s about people out there turning music into gold.

/next stop: earworm city!
 
2011-10-24 01:42:58 PM
Written by a 26-year-old hack from Indiana who worships rust-belt morality and who actually wrote something titled: "Working On a Dream: The Progressive Political Vision of Bruce Springsteen".

Are you farking kidding me, kid?
 
2011-10-24 01:43:12 PM
Alphax: That's a word salad headline. I'll pass on the link.

Good choice, the article is a word salad bar.
 
2011-10-24 01:43:54 PM
I dont trust any author who doesnt own an Ipod and writes books about Bruce Springsteen's political influence.
 
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