I used to date a girl who went to an all girls college, naturally their dorms didn't have mens rooms in them so I got to enjoy the beauty of dealing with bloody tampons in toilets and backed up drains in the showers from all the hair clogged up in there. I feel bad for any guy using a "unisex" bathroom.

I just checked Grinell's wikipedia entry: they don't have any fraternities. That right there will cut your chances of being raped dramatically.

Gracious, Subby, you're right! Why, twenty year old men and women may possibly congregate together, without chaperones! Won't somebody please think of the adults?!

Paris1127: My university has something like that... But for the life of me, I've never met any men who roomed with women or vice versa...

Parents split up while you were still fetal, eh?

Bunnyhat: The myth that girls keep cleaner bathrooms became shaky for me after working at a grocery store and cleaning up the public restrooms there. True the men's room had piss everywhere, but it was easy to clean up (read spray with bleach and use the mop, which I then turned around and used to mop up everything else). The women's restroom was a horror I couldn't even begin to describe day in and day out.

The belief was shattered when my female cousin and I got an apartment together that only had one bathroom.

QFT. My first job was as a janitor at a gymnasium. Those athletic girls in leotards became a little less appealing after cleaning up their bathroom everyday.

Burn_The_Plows: Bunnyhat: The myth that girls keep cleaner bathrooms became shaky for me after working at a grocery store and cleaning up the public restrooms there. True the men's room had piss everywhere, but it was easy to clean up (read spray with bleach and use the mop, which I then turned around and used to mop up everything else). The women's restroom was a horror I couldn't even begin to describe day in and day out.

The belief was shattered when my female cousin and I got an apartment together that only had one bathroom.

QFT. My first job was as a janitor at a gymnasium. Those athletic girls in leotards became a little less appealing after cleaning up their bathroom everyday.

I'm a woman and I agree, women's bathrooms are disgusting. There are times when I would rather use the men's bathroom because the women's bathroom is so gross.

Well god bless, subby, for not letting advancing senility and the impending spectre of death keep him from finally learning how to use one of these new-fangled compu-thingamabobs.

Would you like to know more? (new window) (nsfw)

Just like most men don't have to constantly restrain themselves from blowing strangers in public bathrooms, most men also aren't slavering raposauruses, barely managing not to rape every single woman they see.

I know this premise is shocking to some people, especially those that seem to run things in our country, but it's true.

Oh, and not everyone wants to molest your snowflake, either.

Young men and women having to share bathrooms? A dreadful decline in morality!

It's not news, it's fark.sa

Gender neutral showers and bathrooms are common in universities all across the US, I believe.

I think the only thing unusual here is mixed-gender dorm rooms.

Meh my floor in college did this with 2/4 bathrooms. Worked fine.

WorldCitizen: They get to choose. And once you acknowledge that gay people exist, same-sex only dorms just becomes sort of a joke if your attempt is to treat college students like children and keep them from living with people with whom they might have some sort of physical attraction.

Agreed. But the problem with your thinking is that the individuals in question won't even acknowledge gay people, let alone sexual attraction.

See, the people freaking out about this subject are probably the same individuals that are deluded enough to think that abstinence-only sex education works, that their snowflakes will save it for marriage, and that their children are the furthest thing from being gay. On the other hand, parents that realize that sex happens and is an inevitable part of life probably don't give a rat's ass about this. Why? Because they actually taught and gave their kids the tools needed to become mature, functional adults.

ambercat: Just like most men don't have to constantly restrain themselves from blowing strangers in public bathrooms, most men also aren't slavering raposauruses, barely managing not to rape every single woman they see.

God tells us in the Bible it's wrong, so most of us keep it bottled up inside so we don't sin and invite eternal condemnation on ourselves.

Bathia_Mapes 2011-10-23 10:39:35 PM

FTA...Male, female, transgender, no gender, gay, lesbian, straight. Labels don't matter at Grinnell College. Students can share a dormitory room, bathroom, shower room or locker room with any of the above, if they choose.

In other words, submitter, they don't have to share a shower/bathroom with the opposite gender or even a transgendered person, unless they choose to.

Why are you having a problem with that, subby?

Do you really not see how problems are goign to arise from their "choice" to share bathrooms/rooms/etc? The only problem here is your failure to understand humans and the litigious society we live in. It doesnt matter if they choose to live in those conditions, its not a matter of "if," but "when"

FTFA

"A couple decades ago, colleges were expected to behave as parents," Conner said. "Today we are treating students like adults and letting them make their own decisions."

Bullshiat, on both counts

I have no problem with anyone's sexual orientation mostly out of lack of caring but transgender people really kind of creep me out. I mean really? I can understand cross dressing I guess but why get the sex change? Gross

Not to get all semantical 'n shut, but I think the point of TFA is that the dorms are gender neutral, not simply co-ed. There's a pretty significant difference.

/fark gender identity
//would be all about having an TG/FTM roomie

This is outrageous. Why can't they just have regular dorms, which as we all know are hotbeds for chastity and purity?

/hotbeds, giggity!

whats the problem?

this is labeled asinine.

what is asinine is the subbys use of internet and lack of social interactions.

vert0: what is asinine is the subbys use of internet and lack of social interactions.

Wait, so the only acceptable people are the ones who agree with you? People who think differently than you shouldn't be allowed to do normal, everyday things without harassment? Hmm...that sounds familiar....where have I heard that before?

I gotta say, this isn't really anything new from what I recall of college. It's just, maybe it wasn't proudly put on display.

Granted, not all dorms were like this; but we had dorms that allowed mixed sexes in a particular room and many of the bathrooms/shower areas were declared 'gender neutral' by popular request. Not because it was a wild orgy or anything; but the layout of the floor was such that the guys bathroom was on one side of the floor and the girls were on the other. Nobody wanted to hike a mile in their towel. I'm probably describing it poorly, geographically the bathrooms were next to each other, but you couldn't get from one to the other without walking all the way around the floor. Think of it as a big circle.

Anyway, it wasn't ever a problem really. Yes, sometimes people had sex in the showers. But they'd have done that regardless of what it said on the door. The bathrooms/showers were mostly empty and the person in 'charge' was just a dumb college kid who was a year or two older and wanted to live in the dorms for cheap. Not a single f*** was given by anyone.

People need to remember these aren't *children*. They are fully grown adults who are paying many thousands of dollars to live somewhere.

AverageAmericanGuy: ambercat: Just like most men don't have to constantly restrain themselves from blowing strangers in public bathrooms, most men also aren't slavering raposauruses, barely managing not to rape every single woman they see.

God tells us in the Bible it's wrong, so most of us keep it bottled up inside so we don't sin and invite eternal condemnation on ourselves.

As I understand it, aren't humans eternally condemn for something we weren't even alive, or personally existed yet, to have done? So you may as well sin to heart's content. Even by Christian belief, God will forgive you if you repent on your deathbed.

But then, trying to use logic even within the framework allowed by religion is a recipe for disappointment.

untaken_name: vert0: what is asinine is the subbys use of internet and lack of social interactions.

Wait, so the only acceptable people are the ones who agree with you? People who think differently than you shouldn't be allowed to do normal, everyday things without harassment? Hmm...that sounds familiar....where have I heard that before?

The Democrats preach this day in and day out. Is it any wonder their rank and file are so hostile to differing opinions?

CayceP: The rape issue here is weird. Like a gendered bathroom ever stopped someone from being raped in a bathroom.

namatad: fusillade762: I just checked Grinell's wikipedia entry: they don't have any fraternities. That right there will cut your chances of being raped dramatically.

I wonder how true this is. would be interesting to see the stats on number of greek houses/greek members and number of reported rapes.

I'm curious about this too. It's difficult to measure this kind of thing because gender studies students usually have no clue how to implement a decent survey.

I did find an abstract for a study that might answer your questions:

Associations of Rape-Supportive Attitudes with Fraternal and Athletic Participation

SCOT B. BOERINGER, University of South Florida

Abstract

Rape-supportive attitudes are examined among a sample of university athletes, fraternity members, and controls. A sample of 477 males were recruited on a large southeastern university campus. Comparison of mean scores indicates that fraternity men reported significantly greater agreement with five statements supportive of rape and adversarial gender beliefs than did controls. Athletes reported significantly greater agreement with 14 rape-supportive statements than did controls. The control group reported significantly greater agreement with two rape-supportive statements than did athletes. Results are examined in light of research connecting sexual violence and rape-supportive attitudes.

Sounds about right. I actually pledged a frat and was condemned to spend 3 months living with a bunch of misogynistic, drunken dickbags. The culture I was exposed to seemed like an incubator for rapists.

Niveras: But then, trying to use logic even within the framework allowed by religion is a recipe for disappointment.

...two parts spirit, a dash of virgin, annnnd just a pinch of the body of christ.....

Niveras: AverageAmericanGuy: ambercat: Just like most men don't have to constantly restrain themselves from blowing strangers in public bathrooms, most men also aren't slavering raposauruses, barely managing not to rape every single woman they see.

God tells us in the Bible it's wrong, so most of us keep it bottled up inside so we don't sin and invite eternal condemnation on ourselves.

As I understand it, aren't humans eternally condemn for something we weren't even alive, or personally existed yet, to have done? So you may as well sin to heart's content. Even by Christian belief, God will forgive you if you repent on your deathbed.

But then, trying to use logic even within the framework allowed by religion is a recipe for disappointment.

Well, while what you said is true, it's religion that says all those things, not the Hebrew Scriptures. Please understand, I'm not religious. I'm not espousing any religion or any other system of belief. But, if a religion based off those writings says something, you can almost guarantee that their supposed source material says something different, usually the exact opposite from what they claim. If religious people actually followed what their supposed source material says, we'd all be a lot better off. Mostly because they would only have authority to enforce their draconian laws within their own congregations, and would not be able to subject the rest of us to them without our consent.

fusillade762: The culture I was exposed to seemed like an incubator for rapists.

Obviously you can tell when someone is likely to become a rapist, and why.

I graduated college more than 10 years ago. My dorm had co-ed bathrooms and showers. I never raped anybody in them. Did see a bit more of some people than I wanted to, however.

fusillade762:The culture I was exposed to seemed like an incubator for rapists.

So were you a priest or an altar boy?